Editing Talk:Nep-Enut

==(First topic)==
Where exactly are the Nep-Enuts in Piranha Grove in Yoshi's Story? I've looked and they're not there. If there is, a link should be added to the page, if it's a beta element that should be mentioned, and if it's not there at all, then it should be deleted. --[[User:ChillGuy|ChillGuy]] EDT

== No it shouldn't be moved to Giant Nep-Enut ==
Literally just a year ago in Yoshi's New Island they had a level based on their names it was called Rise of the Nasty Nep-Enuts, a year later and now there called Giant Nep-Enuts in Woolly World, I think it's just a sub-species of a Nep-Enut. {{User|TheHelper1000}}

I can also support that these are different from Nep-Enuts to start of with in Woolly World these larger Nep-Enuts don't chase Yoshi they attack him by shooting Shy Guys at them then there's the fact that they are much larger than the Nep-Enuts in Yoshi's New Island (Excluding Yoshi's Island DS because those were regular Nep-Enuts) there's also the fact that if these were just plain old Nep-Enuts then why here are they called [[Giant Nep-Enut]]s in Woolly World. It's most likely that these are sub-species of Nep-Enuts and an article about them should be made. {{User|TheHelper1000}}

They're a palette swap of Gargantua Blargg like they've always been. Size isn't an issue when Blarggs in general were larger in later ''Yoshi'' games. Certain enemies also act differently in ''Woolly World'' compared to the ''Yoshi's Island'' games, so it's not out of place... That said, the name could change to Nep-Enut by the time the North American version is out, [[MarioWiki:Naming|and we use those over the European names whenever possible.]] [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:58, 15 July 2015 (EDT)

:[[Giant Nep-Enut]]s spit out Shy Guys, unlike regular Nep-Enuts, so size isn't the only issue. Not that I agree that size should be dismissed in this case anyway, since the name specifically references it, implying that yes, it ''is'' bigger than its parent species and that's relevant. Besides, it would be really awkward and unintuitive to only have a pagename for the derived species, whereas keeping the enemy name we've known for a decade and simply adding a new article is very reasonable. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 11:07, 15 July 2015 (EDT)
::If the name's a primary reason here, then it's still best to wait until the game's out in all regions. Besides, they most likely went with Giant to contrast with Gargantua, and appearance-wise we can very easily see Nep-Enuts have always been palette swaps of Gargantua Blargg (we've also never seen a Red Blargg-sized Nep-Enut). If behavior is important in this case, then additional consideration should be on Fluffin' Puffin, Ice Snifit, Snow Guy, maybe Burt the Bashful and Naval Piranha, etc. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:21, 15 July 2015 (EDT)
:::It's always a good idea to take differing behaviours into account along with appearance discrepancies and name changes, at least with species, since recurring individual characters/bosses like Naval Piranha often vary a bit between games (otherwise, boss fights would get boring). The enemies without name changes accompanying the slight behaviour/appearance changes can stay together (why complicate navigation when you don't have to), but I definitely do feel a bit iffy about the potential Fluffin'/[[Huffin' Puffin]] rename. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 12:35, 15 July 2015 (EDT)

Unlike Gargantua Blargg, Nep-Enut can be argued to have its name changed in almost every game it appears in: first "Nep-Enut" and "Submarine Nep-Enut", then "Nasty Nep-Enut" in ''New Island'', and now Giant Nep-Enut. With this, I think it's more like Nep-Enut just had another English rename and was given a new attack. And what does its size have to do with this? That argument doesn't hold if you take Gargantua Blargg into consideration as well. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|Talk]]) ([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 04:50, 1 August 2015 (EDT)

I think most of us have only gone on numerous ("First!" and all) videos of the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iyRjljGO9c PAL version], but I've recently stumbled upon videos of the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSrk4JIW47U Japanese] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90peDA6lU5Y North American] versions for comparison (ignore the title - it's definitely the NoA Theater and not the NoE Theatre). Apparently, there aren't a whole lot of text changes this time, but as it turns out, this enemy is one of the few things they bothered to change. The result confirms my suspicions that "Giant Nep-Enut" is, indeed, a misnomer. A few other things I've noted:

*Fluffin' Puffin, on the other hand, has a [http://s746.photobucket.com/user/chabo_drums/media/20110616/20110616IMG_3145.jpg.html different] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UljI02lh5TY&t=21m name] than the Huffin Puffin in the Japanese version, suggesting that the "fluff" distinguishes it. They could probably be easily split like the "Giant Nep-Enut" article was unless the name later starts to be applied interchangeably.
*Needlenoses ''seem'' to be either previously unnamed or generically called Pokeys in Japanese materials, so it's hard to tell if the rolling Pokey Poms from ''Woolly World'' are clearly meant to be mere updates or replacements for that enemy. The fact that it comes from the [[Wild Ptooie Piranha|same enemy]] leads me to believe it's the former.
*The ''Yoshi's Island'' design of the monkey enemy is, in fact, called Ukiki even in the Japanese version, which definitely concludes that it's not just a localization error that persisted from ''Yoshi's New Island''. Seedy Sally and Short Fuse aren't listed, however, so it's possible that they were just made up for the old player's guide (they're interacting with objects in their environment, not wholly different enemy types).

I doubt there would have been a huge rush to make a separate article if the PAL version hadn't made this mistake in the first place, but I don't feel strongly on this one. Keeping them split on basis of Shy Guy almost seems akin to also splitting the otherwise nearly-identical Wild Ptooie Piranha based on the current separation of Needlenose and Pokey Pom, though. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:00, 28 November 2015 (EST)

==Merge with [[Nep-Enut (Yoshi's Woolly World)]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|11-0|merge}}
''(Moved from {{fake link|Talk:Nep-Enut (Yoshi's Woolly World)}})''

Clearly the same enemy. The only reason it's split is because it spits out Shy Guys, which was likely added to make the game easier by giving Yoshi an infinite supply of Yarn Balls to stun it with (sort of like the Caged/Dangling Ghosts in ''Yoshi's Island''). Besides, it's not like we split ''SMRPG'' Lakitus for throwing Spikeys instead of Spinys, or ''Woolly World'' Wild Ptooie Piranhas for spitting out Pokey Poms and Shy Guys instead of Needlenoses.

It's also not that unusual for enemies to change their behavior a bit between games. Just look at Snow Guys, which were indestructible background hazards in ''Yoshi's Story'', but are normal enemies in ''Woolly World''. In fact, I'd bet that the only reason we don't have a seperate page for the ''Woolly World'' version is because the PAL version didn't call them something different (e.g. "Snowball Guys" or something).

As for the European release calling them "Giant Nep-Enuts" in the first place, that was likely either a mistake in translation (since the Japanese name for Nep-Enuts essentially calls them "Big Blargg (blue)"), or done intentionally to contrast with Gargantua Blarggs.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Niiue}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 4, 2016, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
#{{User|LudwigVon}} Per Niiue. We didn't split the Lakitu that throw the Piranha Plant Egg/Gurindai in New Super Mario Bros. U.
#{{User|SmokedChili}} Per Niiue, but I really wouldn't call "Giant Nep-Enut" a translation mistake just because it's different from the norm...
#{{User|Andymii}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Don't see why it's split in the first place. They're clearly the same enemy.
#{{User|TheHelper1000}} Just merge it already there's no way I can stop this, besides looking back at the article it's really not much different from the original Nep-Enut.
#{{User|Boo4761}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Roy Koopa}} per the first sentence of the proposal.
#{{User|Tails777}} Umm yeah, they're the same enemy. Per all.
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} Same enemy in the [[Yoshi's Island]] series, just a different art style.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
[[Talk:Nep-Enut]] has a relevant discussion about this ''exact'' subject, for the record. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:16, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:Would it be acceptable to move this there then? [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 00:22, 21 December 2015 (EST)
::Seeing as no one else has posted, sure, for the sake of keeping archives straight. Copy it now, and then I can just delete this talk page. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:35, 21 December 2015 (EST)
@SmokedChili I think it ''could'' be a translation mistake (not necessarily that it ''is'' one), because I could see someone interpreting what is basically "Big Blargg (blue)" as "big version of a blue Blargg" instead of "blue version of a big Blargg". Though it's probably more likely that it was just renamed to parallel Gargantua Blarggs. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 04:15, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:Yeah, I think it's more likely that NOE wanted to parallel Gargantua Blarggs. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|Talk]]) ([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 04:44, 21 December 2015 (EST)

==How Related?==
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Presently, Nep-Enut and Gargantua Blargg are considered "relatives" in the infobox. However, they have the same base name in Japanese, translating to (Big) Blargg, which is used in some [[Nep-Enut's Domain#Names in other languages|level]] [[Rise of the Nasty Nep-Enuts#Names in other languages|titles]] and ''[[Gargantua Blargg#Tetris Attack 2|PanePon]]''. So should they be treated as color variants? That's a hard sell, since Nep-Enut has some characteristics that diverge from Gargantua Blargg in a few later appearances and most profiles separate them, even in Japanese. But given they are closely related enough to be considered subsets of each other [https://archive.org/details/yoshiislandshogakukan/064-065.jpg here] (where Gargantua Blargg is the one that gets the key art) and the [[Scrapbook Theater]] lists Gargantua Blargg first, I think Nep-Enut should at least be considered a variant of Gargantua Blargg. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:37, March 11, 2025 (EDT)