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Also, I'm writing this not because I think it'll convince our anon friend over here (it certainly won't) but because it's something I have thought about and it's something I want to refer back to when there are future talks about coverage, and basically I want to expand on what I said about "casting too wide of a net". And the ''tl:dr'' of it is: The wiki isn't ''really'' about the "Mario fictional universe", or rather it's not primarily about that, and rather it is about ''Mario'' and its derived (and partner) series as a real-word media franchise.
Also, I'm writing this not because I think it'll convince our anon friend over here (it certainly won't) but because it's something I have thought about and it's something I want to refer back to when there are future talks about coverage, and basically I want to expand on what I said about "casting too wide of a net". And the ''tl:dr'' of it is: The wiki isn't ''really'' about the "Mario fictional universe", or rather it's not primarily about that, and rather it is about ''Mario'' and its derived (and partner) series as a real-word media franchise.


One of our policy page (I think it was Chronology?) had a statement among the lines "We must remember that [[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]] is the root of everything we created" and while worded in a corny way, the gist still holds true. The Mario and Donkey Kong characters debuted in the arcade game, Mario soon became popular and spawned a big media franchise, which the wiki is ostensibly about. Then, a good decade later, the Donkey Kong character (actually a separate character, but irrelevant in IP terms and a distinction Nintendo does not always strictly adher to) was rebooted with his own successful video game that did away with pretty much all the old arcade trappings and was distinct from the Mario games of the time. And certainly one could say, ''Donkey Kong'' (or more precisely ''Donkey Kong '''Country''''') is a franchise in its own right and shouldn't be seen as a spin-off subordinate to the Mario series - that's a very fair and valid opinion, but, the shared origin in the 1981 arcade game means it make some sense for a website that call itself "Super Mario Wiki" to also document Donkey Kong stuff. Likewise with Wario, Yoshi etc. who were created ''for'' Mario games, were major actors in those and then spawned their own franchise with varying degress of cross-reference back to the "main" Mario franchise.
One of our policy page (I think it was Chronology?) had a statement among the lines "We must remember that [[Donkey Kong (Game)|Donkey Kong]] is the root of everything we created" and while worded in a corny way, the gist still holds true. The Mario and Donkey Kong characters debuted in the arcade game, Mario soon became popular and spawned a big media franchise, which the wiki is ostensibly about. Then, a good decade later, the Donkey Kong character (actually a separate character, but irrelevant in IP terms and a distinction Nintendo does not always strictly adher to) was rebooted with his own successful video game that did away with pretty much all the old arcade trappings and was distinct from the Mario games of the time. And certainly one could say, ''Donkey Kong'' (or more precisely ''Donkey Kong '''Country''''') is a franchise in its own right and shouldn't be seen as a spin-off subordinate to the Mario series - that's a very fair and valid opinion, but, the shared origin in the 1981 arcade game means it make some sense for a website that call itself "Super Mario Wiki" to also document Donkey Kong stuff. Likewise with Wario, Yoshi etc. who were created ''for'' Mario games, were major actors in those and then spawned their own franchise with varying degress of cross-reference back to the "main" Mario franchise.


I gave Rhythm Heaven as an example of things going too far: Rhythm Heaven includes a lot of clues it's set in the same fictional universe as the WarioWare series (including both Rhythm Heaven Fever and RH Megamix having modes where you play as WarioWare characters) and in turn the two most recent WarioWare games include a lot of cameos from Rhythm Heaven characters and location. Thus, if only fictional connections mattered, it would only make sense to extend the wiki's coverage to the Rhythm Heave series as a whole, right?
I gave Rhythm Heaven as an example of things going too far: Rhythm Heaven includes a lot of clues it's set in the same fictional universe as the WarioWare series (including both Rhythm Heaven Fever and RH Megamix having modes where you play as WarioWare characters) and in turn the two most recent WarioWare games include a lot of cameos from Rhythm Heaven characters and location. Thus, if only fictional connections mattered, it would only make sense to extend the wiki's coverage to the Rhythm Heave series as a whole, right?

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