Editing Talk:Mousersaurus Rex

==Merge this article to [[Mouser (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)]]==
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{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-10|don't merge}}
It is said that Mousersaurus Rex is a dinosaur version of Mouser. But why should Mousersaurus Rex have its own article? It's basically an alias for Mouser himself. If Mousersaurus Rex should have its own article then maybe King Koopa's aliases, like Pirate Koopa or Darth Koopa should have their own articles as well. I suggest we merge this article to Mouser's article and include Mousersaurus Rex as an alias to Mouser himself.

'''Proposer''': [[User:Char89Charizard|Char89Charizard]] ([[User talk:Char89Charizard|talk]])<br>
'''Deadline''': October 10, 2017, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#[[User:Char89Charizard|Char89Charizard]] ([[User talk:Char89Charizard|talk]]) Mouser's aliases shouldn't have their own articles. They're basically the same character, much like King Koopa is with his aliases. I don't remember seeing any other article about any of Mouser's or King Koopa's aliases.

===Oppose===
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} One's a Mouse, the other's a Dinosaur-Mouse. That's a big enough difference to me. Even moreso than [[Thunder Birdo]]. How is it an "alias" to be 70 times the normal size '''and''' of a different biological class?
#{{User|Time Turner}} There's a very clear difference in appearance and behaviour between this guy and the regular Mouser, far more than [[King Koopa's alter egos]]. The show is hardly a stranger to one-off alternate forms, like the [[Shy Guy Lion]] and the [[Goomba Mummy]]; claiming that they are actually the exact same as their counterparts is speculation and nothing more.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} This is more of a stand-in than an alias - the Toad character takes his book near the beginning of the episode, opens to Cowazaurus and then flips to Mouseraurus (which he audibly reads as "Mousersaurus Rex"), so it's supposed to be a documented species of Caveman Land.
#{{User|Alex95}} - I'm going to say no. The two are very clearly different species, this just has the head of a Mouser. It looks and acts differently, plus its name is officially different. The only thing related to Mouser is its head.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} I wouldn't argue that he's a different character per-se than Mouser, which I do agree if that was the only point of merge (if he had the same name, I'd support the merge), but I feel this is treated like a power-up or alias of a character in the same manner as Mr. L so thus gets his own article.
#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per all.
#{{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} I don't really get this Mouser is a mouse and last time I checked mice are in fact not dinosaurs.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per Baby Luigi.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.

===Comments===

@Doc: Not everything is revealed behind the scenes. Besides, Mousersaurus Rex has a face like Mouser's. He has hands like Mouser's. Heck he even has Mouser's signature sunglasses. Coincidence? I think not. And to top it off he follows Alley Koop, another alias of King Koopa. It's possible Alley Koop uses magic to turn Mouser into a dinosaur for that particular episode. {{unsigned|Char89Charizard}}
:And it's possible that it's an entirely separate entity. Speculation is easy to do and ultimately meaningless. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 12:19, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

While we're on the subject of Mouser, why was the ''Super Show!'' version separated from the main article? It seems others like Toad and Tryclyde could've easily followed suit, so Mouser looks to be the odd one out. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:30, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:I think it stems from [[Talk:Mouser#Split|this discussion from 2007]], and nobody's bothered to question it since. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 12:35, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

::The point of the split probably was that Mouser is a Species and a character, much like Toad and (in Japan) Kamek. In the games it's seemingly a species, with the 8 bit games having a grey one with pink ears and a grey one with green ears, along with Doki Doki Panikku's white one with red ears. Also, there was a second Mouser in the Beanstalk episode, the character was commonly addressed as a specific individual, and then there's all the "mice" in that one Nintendo Comics System issue...I wouldn't have a problem splitting the DiC character articles from the main ones, like we did with the movie articles so long ago. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:05, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:::[[Talk:Lakitu_(character)#Not_convinced.|Being individualized isn't necessarily enough]] to be worthy of having a separate article (note that the passed proposal's about the ''Mario Kart 7'' [[Lakitu#Mario_Kart_7|Lakitu]]. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 13:20, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
::::Already read through that mess......how did ''Superstar Saga'' even.....gah. Although the other talk page you posted before had also noted Klump and Krusha, which could also be merged, particularly as Klump is referred to as "General Klump" in the DK64 manual... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:49, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

@LinkTheLefty: While you're right about Mousersaurus Rex being a documented species, but I still think he should be placed in Mouser's page. Besides, calling it a species is like calling Mouser a species and not by name. Also, wasn't the character credited as Mouser in the end credits of the episode? [[User:Char89Charizard|Char89Charizard]] ([[User talk:Char89Charizard|talk]]) 12:50, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:The end credits only name the character roles for the live action segments, not specific character voices. Also, as Doc mentioned above, Mouser was once shown as part of a species of "Mice" in the Nintendo Comics System. Really, I think the ''Super Show!'' and main Mouser articles should be reorganized into Mouser and Mouse (Nintendo Comics System); as far as I know there's no evidence for the "Mouser" species (on the contrary, the Japanese name, '''''Don''' Churuge'', indicates otherwise). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:53, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
::Well I still feel the Mousersaurus Rex article should merge with Mouser though. if its not the same character as a lot of you have claimed, it could at least be labeled as a subspecies or something, right? [[User:Char89Charizard|Char89Charizard]] ([[User talk:Char89Charizard|talk]]) 14:03, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:::The wiki gives separate articles to derived and related species. There's a reason [[Template:Shy Guys|the species templates]] have so many links. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:06, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
::::But Mousersaurus Rex is the only subspecies under Mouser. And the article is currently a stub, and it will likely stay a stub if it has all the information about it. [[User:Char89Charizard|Char89Charizard]] ([[User talk:Char89Charizard|talk]]) 14:12, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::Stubs are not short articles at all. Stubs are articles that are lacking information. If an article has all of the necessary and relevant information, it is not a stub. The wiki also has no problems with having short articles, and the number of derived species that exist for a given subject does not affect whether or not they receive individual articles in the slightest. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:14, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
::::::Well the article is claimed to be a stub, so I don't even know what else it needs. And I'm still going on my opinion about this. [[User:Char89Charizard|Char89Charizard]] ([[User talk:Char89Charizard|talk]]) 14:20, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Pink-eared Mouser and Green-Eared Mouser seem to be separate, as does the White Mouser. And ''[[Mario and the Beanstalk]]'' apparently had two Mousers. Admittedly, All-Star and Advance had all Mousers be green with orange ears....If we merge those Mousers we should probably merge Klump and Krusha with their respective character articles. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:13, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
::::::::Here's what ''Super Mario Bros. 2 Inside Out'', Part I has to say on Page 27: "''Now it’s time to make peace in World 3. But first you’ll have to deal with an old enemy. The little boss is Mouser, but you know how to deal with him from World 1-3. Catch the bombs and let him have it with six of them.''" It suggests that Mouser is the same boss fought earlier. I believe it's also the case in ''BS Super Mario USA'', which made an effort to distinguish the three Birdo colors but kept the other bosses as individual. Also of note is that its character description in the ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' manual mentions that it "''doesn’t believe that it is just a mouse''" (''Advance'' manual: "''doesn’t think of himself as an ordinary mouse''"), which may be where Nintendo Comics System got the idea to call his species mice. By the way, the Mario and the Beanstalk article doesn't mention Mouser - are you sure that's the right episode? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:12, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::It seems [[Princess, I Shrunk the Mario Brothers]] is the one with two Mousers, as stated in the page's introduction. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 18:21, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah that one. I just remembered it could fit in a container, so I figured it was the one with the giant Koopa. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:36, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::It could be an animation error - Mouser's duplicate is motionless and disappears after the introduction, replaced with Koopa Troopas in the following scene. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:02, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
Okay, seeing that the opposing side has a lot more votes than the support side, am I to assume that the voting has already been decided? If so I can close the voting. [[User:Char89Charizard|Char89Charizard]] ([[User talk:Char89Charizard|talk]]) 19:55, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:You could cancel the proposal if you think it's not going anywhere. Doesn't require an overwhelming majority. And because three days haven't passed yet, you can close proposals without administrator permission. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 01:12, 27 September 2017 (EDT)
::Yes but rule 4 of the Talk Page Proposal states: Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if each voting option has fewer than five votes. And the opposing side has more than five votes. So I rather get administrator permission, just in case. [[User:Char89Charizard|Char89Charizard]] ([[User talk:Char89Charizard|talk]]) 13:18, 27 September 2017 (EDT)