Editing Talk:Monita

How is "robot" a species? {{User:Misty/sig}} 14:40, 25 June 2014 (EDT)

==Delete this page==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|14-1|Delete page}}
[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_50#Allow_the_coverage_of_distinctly_Mario_aspects_from_guest_appearances|The recent proposal]] allows the coverage of distinctly ''Mario'' aspects of guest appearances. Monita has nothing to do with Mario. She is a generically unique character created for ''Nintendo Land'', and nothing more. She doesn't have anything to do with the ''Mario'' franchise, nor more than she does ''The Legend of Zelda'' or ''Pikmin'' or any of the other franchises represented in the game. Like the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_48#Decide_if_Nintendo_Badge_Arcade_constitutes_a_guest_appearance|Arcade Bunny]], she does not deserve an article on the wiki.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Time Turner}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 19, 2018, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Time Turner}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Alex95}} - I was going to oppose and say that Monita's article could be expanded to cover what she does in the Mario-related attractions...until I found that she only plays a role in the ''Luigi's Mansion'' and ''Takamaru's Ninja Castle'' ones. And they're pretty minor. So yeah, per proposal.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Astro-Lanceur}} Per all.
#{{User|bwburke94}} Per all.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Seems absolutely useless and completely unrelated to the Mario franchise, per all.
#{{user|Wildgoosespeeder}} Per all.
#{{user|LudwigVon}} Per all.
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per all.
#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per all.
#{{User|Owencrazyboy9}} Plays only three roles in the game? Check! Only shows up at the end of a game mode? Check! Doesn't play a big role in any other game released, cameos as a a trophy in Smash Bros., and only shows up assisting a group of players? Check, check and check! In other words, per all. Although me mentioning the Smash Bros. trophy appearance might lean a bit towards opposition in my eyes...

===Oppose===
#{{User|LUIGIRULES71}} Well i Think She's More Deserving Of a Page than most Things that have Pages Because While she is a Guest character she still has a role or roles in Mario Related Things Such as [[Luigi's Ghost Mansion]] where she helps the player[s] find the [[Mii|Gold Ghost]].

===Comments===
Oh Come on. More Proposals By Time Turner That i disagree With?! Ugh. [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]
:Rude, tbh. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:30, 5 January 2018 (EST)
::Oh sorry. [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]

Responding To BBQ Turtle: Seems absolutely useless and completely unrelated to the Mario franchise? Huh that sounds Like EVERY SUPER SMASH BROS STAGE THAT ISN'T A MARIO STAGE, DONKEY KONG STAGE, YOSHI STAGE, OR WARIO STAGE! Why aren't We Deleting The Smash Bros Stages that aren't related??? [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]
:The simple explanation is that ''Super Smash Bros.'' is a crossover (therefore we cover everything within the game), whereas ''Nintendo Land'' is a guest appearance (therefore we only cover the ''Mario'' aspects in dedicated articles). And no need to shout. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:16, 5 January 2018 (EST)
::Basically what Time Turner said, they beat me to it, and explained it better than I would've. Also, what I said was only my opinion. I put "seems" as to me, that is what it appears to be. You may not agree with that, and that's fine, you just don't need to be quite so aggressive about it. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 17:23, 5 January 2018 (EST)
:::Bu-But...There's already a Wiki about The Smash Bros Stages...an-and Other Wikis don't Cover The Smash Bros Stages... [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]
::::Keep in mind that each wiki has its own set of rules. How we do things can be different than how SmashWiki or ZeldaWiki does things. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:43, 5 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Bu-But Monita is Best Waifu.....You Can't Delete Best Waifu's Page..... [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES]]
::::::no {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:01, 5 January 2018 (EST)
:::::::Look, we can never always get what we want. "Waifu" or not, it makes zero difference. You may not like the consensus, but you still need a valid reason if you want the page kept. (And this from someone who once thought every single [[Power Moon]], even the minor ones, deserved an article, despite overwhelming opposition.)

:::::::PS: Look at Alex95's vote. Please don't ask me why. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:12, 5 January 2018 (EST)
:::::::::The Waifu Thing Was a Joke actually. XD [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]

@LUIGIRULES71: On what grounds? {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:30, 5 January 2018 (EST)
:@Time Turner: Uhhhh, the grounds of Monita isn't my Favorite Female Character. Don't Get Me Wrong i Like Monaita but There are others i Like more than her. Plus Did You really Think i Was serious saying things Like "Waifu" and "Montia is Best Waifu"? it Was 100% a Joke. XD
::on what grounds are you opposing the proposal {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:44, 5 January 2018 (EST)
:::Oh that. i Believe she still deserves her page Because While she is a Guest Character she's still a character Who Had a Role or Roles in Mario Related things. Plus she has a Trophy in Super Smash Bros 4.
::::The first part (not the SSB4 trophy) seems reasonable. I'd place that there if I were you. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 19:02, 5 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Eh, your vote needs to be more specific than that. Why not add things about, say, [[Luigi's Ghost Mansion]]? Monita does have a role there in two-player mode. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 19:26, 5 January 2018 (EST)

JEEZ! it's 13 against one! Welp, (i call unfair) Bye Monita i'll Miss You. Seriously i'm the only one who opposed... [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]
:rip female L.O.G. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:16, 19 January 2018 (EST)
::i Didn't even Think about that. Good one Doc. XD [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]
:::Well actually 14...Dangit... [[user:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]
::::DOC, HELP ME! DOC COME ON DOC! [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]

Why is this page still here? [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]

== Redirect? ==

Should This Be Redirected instead? Like With The Arcade Bunny? [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]]
:It appears it has been now, but honestly anyone with a human brain would have come to that conclusion. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:56, 19 January 2018 (EST)
::Hey. Tone down the unwarranted condescension. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 21:57, 19 January 2018 (EST)
:::What? I'm just saying "this is the obvious choice." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:58, 19 January 2018 (EST)
::::It's condescending to tell someone they're a "human" as opposed to a sociopath? Welp, this place has officially gotten to PC for me. Peace. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:13, 19 January 2018 (EST)
:::::OK, since there's apparently been some confusion, my meaning was "That idea is not insane," not anything insulting. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:40, 19 January 2018 (EST)

== Reinstate the page ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-0-4|keep as a redirect}}
Good morning! 

Apparently this page was deleted due to a proposal, so I was told I'd need to make a new one in order to have it reinstated, as it does actually follow the current wiki guidelines.

First of all, who's Monita? She's a host of ''Nintendo Land'', and she appears in multiple minigames not just as a character that gives hints, but as a hazard or as a helper: she plays a role in [[Luigi's Ghost Mansion]]: she plays on the side of ghost trackers and is able to damage the ghost or alert the players about the ghost. She also always appears in the stage 5, the rooftop. It has no walls, so Monitas serve as a way to detect the ghost (and yes, these robots in Ghostly Mansion are called "Monita" too). Should we really remove a page just because she also appears outside of this minigame?

You can see her behaviour in-game:

''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGNKDgDnCFQ&t=1254s YouTube video (with a timestamp): Nintendo Land - Luigi's Ghost Mansion Compilation (5 Players, Maurits, Rik, Danique, Thessy, Anja)]''

So, what should we do? I propose two ways this can be handled:

1. - Monita's page gets reinstated, only her role in Mario-related minigames gets coverage (only Luigi's Ghostly Mansion, though her "List of Monita quotes" page may contain her hints for other Mario-related games). Two or three lines about her overall role in the game are acceptable.

2. - Monita's page gets reinstated, full coverage about her role in the whole game. I don't think this is the right way to handle it, but this is (pretty much) how the page was before it was deleted. 

'''Proposer''': {{User|Spectrogram}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 29, 2022, 23:59 GMT

==== Reinstate Monita's page, cover only her role in Luigi's Ghost Mansion ====
#{{User|Spectrogram}} Preferred option.
==== Reinstate Monita's page, full coverage ====

==== Keep as a redirect ====
#{{User|Hewer}} I was inclined to support this at first, but then I remembered that the [[MarioWiki:Coverage|coverage]] policy forbids articles on subjects from guest appearances unless they are distinctly derived from Mario, which Monita isn't. Doing this would require us to reclassify Nintendo Land as a crossover, which would in turn require us to make articles on all the other Nintendo-themed minigames with no relation to Mario, so I think the better choice would be to just cover Monita's role in the Luigi's Ghost Mansion article and call it a day.
#{{User|RHG1951}} Per Hewer and the fact that beyond Luigi's Ghost Mansion, Monita only has a minimal role in the other ''Mario'' attractions.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Hewer and RHG1951. Even if this didn't imply full coverage for ''Nintendo Land'', the article would only contain information about her appearance in Luigi's Ghost Mansion and little to no information about her appearances in the other ''Mario'' attractions (since her role is so minimal).
#{{User|Shadow2}} No, we already have way too many articles for non-Mario characters, we don't need more.

==== Comments ====
Good day {{User|Hewer}}, why do you think it would require us to classify this as a crossover? Noone wants to do it, the whole point is Monita plays a big role in a minigame that is a subject to full coverage on this wiki. If Monita didn't play a role in this minigame, there wouldn't be a reason to create an article about her. [[User:Spectrogram|Spectrogram]] ([[User talk:Spectrogram|talk]]) 08:10, August 15, 2022 (EDT)
:Like I said in my vote, making a Monita article without classifying Nintendo Land as a crossover would go against the [[MarioWiki:Coverage|coverage]] policy, and I don't think her role is big enough for it to be worth us re-classifying the game rather than just talking about her role in the articles we already have. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 08:28, August 15, 2022 (EDT)