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==Move to Moneybag (enemy)==
==Move to Moneybag (enemy)==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|4-3|move}}
So there's only three sources cited for the name of this enemy, and all of them disagree with each other in some way: a Super Mario 64 guide calling it "Money Bags", a New Super Mario Bros. guide (which is "rife with mistakes", according to Doc a couple sections above) calling it "Moneybags", and much more recently, Mario Portal calling it "Moneybag", without the s. It's true that we haven't moved every enemy to its Mario Portal name, but as far as I can tell, the ones we haven't are ones whose names have been confirmed in a bunch of games up to recently (e.g. [[Banzai Bill]], [[Parabomb]]). It seems like the only reason this page hasn't been moved yet is because the singular Moneybag name first appeared in Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia, but I don't think that's a very good reason not to move it - it didn't stop [[Fireball Boy]], [[Whimp]], or [[Mega Grrrol]] from using names that also appeared in Encyclopedia and then Mario Portal. And honestly, I think it's entirely possible for them to have come up with the name "Moneybag" independently of the wiki, seeing as it's just a much more logical name than "Moneybags".
So there's only three sources cited for the name of this enemy, and all of them disagree with each other in some way: a Super Mario 64 guide calling it "Money Bags", a New Super Mario Bros. guide (which is "rife with mistakes", according to Doc a couple sections above) calling it "Moneybags", and much more recently, Mario Portal calling it "Moneybag", without the s. It's true that we haven't moved every enemy to its Mario Portal name, but as far as I can tell, the ones we haven't are ones whose names have been confirmed in a bunch of games up to recently (e.g. [[Banzai Bill]], [[Parabomb]]). It seems like the only reason this page hasn't been moved yet is because the singular Moneybag name first appeared in Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia, but I don't think that's a very good reason not to move it - it didn't stop [[Fireball Boy]], [[Whimp]], or [[Mega Grrrol]] from using names that also appeared in Encyclopedia and then Mario Portal. And honestly, I think it's entirely possible for them to have come up with the name "Moneybag" independently of the wiki, seeing as it's just a much more logical name than "Moneybags".


'''Proposer''': {{User|Hewer}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Hewer}}<br>
'''Deadline''': <s>May 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT</s> Extended to May 20, 2024, 23:59 GMT
'''Deadline''': May 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT


===Support===
===Support===
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#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per proposal. Moreover, per [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable_sources_for_naming|naming policy]], a name from an official Nintendo-hosted website has higher priority over any physical guide source.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per proposal. Moreover, per [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable_sources_for_naming|naming policy]], a name from an official Nintendo-hosted website has higher priority over any physical guide source.
#{{User|Cadrega86}} per Hewer's comment.
#{{User|Cadrega86}} per Hewer's comment.
#{{User|Dark-Boy-1up}} Per Hewer's comment.


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
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@DrippingYellow: Once again, it could be a typo or it could not be, since it makes sense either way. So why assume it is one? Innocent until proven guilty, right? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:57, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
@DrippingYellow: Once again, it could be a typo or it could not be, since it makes sense either way. So why assume it is one? Innocent until proven guilty, right? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:57, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
:Again, I direct you to the numerous spelling errors (you are ''not'' about to try and convince me that they could've for all we know intended to call Big Piranha Plants "Big Piranha Plans" in ''SM64'' only, they literally spelt it correctly for normal Piranha Plants!), the unfitting usage of all-lowercase names in the ''[[Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins|Super Mario Land 2]]''... English is very clearly not the first language of the person who translated the Japanese website. That, or they're just incompetent at their job. Either way, we have good reason to not be immediately assuming the Mario Portal name is a more "official" name in matters of a single-letter difference. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 14:33, May 11, 2024 (EDT)
::Except that, again, it's higher priority in the naming policy, "Moneybag" is much less obviously mistaken than "Piranha Plan", "Moneybags" is attested by a single guide versus dozens of sources for "Piranha Plant", and Mario Portal's had us rename a good number of enemies already. Moneybag isn't even the only enemy given a name in the SM64 section of Mario Portal that differs by a single letter compared to an old guide name, but [[Snifit (Super Mario 64)]] already got renamed accordingly. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:55, May 11, 2024 (EDT)
:::"Money Bags" with an "S" is corroborated by at least ''two'' guides (I've noticed the DS Pocket Guide has yet to be brought up here, was Moneybag(s) mentioned by name in there?), regardless of parsing differences. And I actually disagree with the core reasoning behind the Snufit/Snifit move: they failed to consider that the Japanese name in ''Mario 64'' is the same as normal Snifits, and the Portal is known to mislabel entities that happen to have the same name in Japanese but not in English (once again, [[Bunbun]]).
:::To be clear, I was never trying to suggest that Mario Portal should be completely docked in priority as a source entirely ([[Wind Spirit|Cyclo]], [[Bone Twister]], [[Ground Urchin]], [[Zap Nozzle]] are perfectly fine names that we don't really have any reason to doubt). But when it's a single-letter difference that happens to be on the ''exact page'' where the website translators made it very apparent they couldn't spot a typo even if it sprouted from the ground and nipped them in the face (the website might've been updated, but Piranha Plan is still there after 2 years), I hope you can understand why I'm very reluctant to move the entire page over it.
:::If it was named something completely different like "Oingy Sproingy Coin Purse", then I might be OK with moving it there. If the spelling was carried over to the NSMB section of Mario Portal, then I might relent knowing it is consistent, but as it happens, NSMB is the ''only'' Mario platforming game to not have comprehensive coverage like the others for whatever reason. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 00:56, May 12, 2024 (EDT)
::::I think in this case, when we don't know whether it's a mistake, we should treat it as not a mistake rather than speculatively assume it is, for consistency with other Mario Portal names being used and its priority on the naming policy. I feel there aren't sufficient grounds for us to ignore an official source (and quite a high priority one at that) if we aren't sure it's mistaken and it could well not be. And "Money Bags" and "Moneybags" are different names in my book, the constant inconsistency in this thing's name throughout the few sources that name it is a major reason why I think we should just go with the most recent, higher-priority one rather than picking a favourite. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 05:26, May 12, 2024 (EDT)

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