Editing Talk:Minecraft

==Images==
I've been uploading an assortment of Minecraft images on Postimg (imgur doesn't play nice with the Wii U's browser). I was planning on uploading them to the wiki in large batches once I took every single image I could, but everyone is free to upload them early, if they'd like: [https://postimg.org/gallery/hg9eeura/ 2D Sprites], [https://postimg.org/gallery/p8honv3q/ 3D Models], [https://postimg.org/gallery/3ctt4nfp2/ Landmarks], [https://postimg.org/gallery/1rj4qkuuu/ Mobs], [https://postimg.org/gallery/2bbqwyn5i/ Skins], and [https://postimg.org/gallery/3f93dqtyu/ Miscellaneous]. I have other galleries for Blocks, Items, and Paintings, but they don't have nearly enough images at the moment. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 23:28, 23 November 2016 (EST)
:Just create a temporary userpage or use [[MarioWiki:Sandbox]] that creates red file links. Naming is not a problem and uploading to Imgur is bypassed as you upload directly to MarioWiki. I use the red file link trick all the time. The screenshots from the Wii U directly are always JPEG. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:34, 23 November 2016 (EST)
::Meh. I prefer doing all of the set-up outside of the wiki and only bothering this place once everything's ready. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 23:37, 23 November 2016 (EST)
:::Also, there is a risk of quality degradation. Facebook using [https://www.nintendo.com/3ds/image-share 3DS Image Share] is notorious for this, especially with a previous version of [[:File:SM3DL Tapped Icon.png]] uploaded by {{user|Alex95}}. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:56, 23 November 2016 (EST)

== Rename Minecraft: Wii U Edition to simply Minecraft. ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|19-1|rename}}
With the release of the Minecraft: Nintendo Switch Edition, it seems very unsettling that the page title still only acknowledges the Wii U Edition, that's why I'm proposing to simply move this page to be titled simply as Minecraft, with no specification of the platform edition in the title. We should treat both versions equally, because, in a sense, the Switch Edition is not a port of the Wii U Edition... well, it kinda is, but in the case for Minecraft, all versions are just ports of the original PC version. This neutrality is to assure the Switch Edition gets a proper treatment, if we take look at the infobox at the beginning, there is little mention of the Switch Edition aside from the platform spot (which looks misleading saying that Minecraft: Wii U Edition is the version available on Nintendo Switch), no one has added its release date, the media or the control input.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Byllant}}<br>
'''Deadline''': May 31, 2017, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Byllant}} - Per my proposal.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per proposal. It would be redundant to have two separate articles on what is pretty much the exact same game with the exact same content (as mentioned in the beginning statement in the article, not even ports of games we have on this wiki are this similar and chances are, if they are that similar, they should be on the same article). Redirects can easily function and do their job here should users search for their specific version.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{user|Mario jc}} Definitely needs a rename. Per all.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Though I think "Super Mario Mash-Up Pack" would be better because that is what the article is about. But, since it was released after Minecraft: Wii U Edition, that date is not in line with when Minecraft came to Nintendo systems. So, Minecraft works best. Also, please note that we '''must keep''' the Wikipedia link in the intro, as many people do not know what is Minecraft and this doesn't explain it and it can't explain it because it isn't part of the Mario franchise. Just the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack and the references to Mario.
#{{User|Tails777}} Per all.
#{{User|Alex95}} I was thinking about making this proposal myself at some point. Per all.
#{{User|Luigi 64DD}} Sounds good. Per all.
#{{User|SuperYoshi1234}} Per all.
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all, renaming it makes the most sense, and would also allow for any future releases of Minecraft with the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack too.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per Byllant in the comments. Usually, for crossover articles, we provide brief coverage on the subject, then talk in-depth about how it relates to Mario. It also makes sense to move the article, since there is no particular name for either Nintendo version of Minecraft.
#{{User|Goomba nr.34}} per proposal
#{{User|Rimigafob}} Good idea! Per all.
#{{User|Whitey}} I wanted to start this sooner but I forgot my login. I finally remembered it. Per all.
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per all.
#{{User|Marioguy}} Per all.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per all.
#{{User|WaluigiWahrior}} Per Proposal, this really should happen if Minecraft is going to appear on all future Nintendo Platforms as well as Wii U and Switch.

====Oppose====
#{{User|Digibutter}} - I believe that ''Minecraft: Wii U / Nintendo Switch Edition'' would be a better title, like the title given to ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U]]''. The generic "''Minecraft''" title implies that it is also referring to versions on non-Nintendo consoles.

====Comments====
To give out a better idea for this rename, this is how I suggest the main paragraph to be written:

<blockquote>
'''''Minecraft''''' is a sandbox video game released by Mojang AB and 4J Studios originally for Microsoft Windows that features a blocky aesthetic centered around gathering resources to survive, exploring the randomly generated terrain, and creating worlds and sculptures using a variety of colorful blocks and tools, though the objective is largely based on the player's direction. A port called '''''Minecraft Wii U Edition''''' was originally released for the [[Wii U]] Nintendo eShop on December 17, 2015, and later released with a physical edition on May 17, 2016. Another port called '''''Minecraft: Nintendo Switch Edition''''' was released on the [[Nintendo Switch]] Nintendo eShop on May 11, 2017. Both editions feature an exclusive Super Mario Mash-Up Pack, in addition to the original references to the [[Mario (franchise)|''Mario'']] franchise found in the original PC version, such as a painting featuring [[100m]] from [[Donkey Kong (game)|''Donkey Kong'']] (which was based on a [http://zetterstrand.com/work/pictures/2003/kong.jpg painting] by [[wikipedia:Kristoffer Zetterstrand|Kristoffer Zetterstrand]]). Aside from the different console (and thus, different controls) and an increased map size on the ''Nintendo Switch Edition'', both editions are otherwise identical games.
</blockquote>

'''--<big>[[User:Byllant|<span style="font-family:Copperplate Bold;color:#B40404">'''BYLLANT'''</span>]] [[File:Ak-Un.png|30px|link=User talk:Byllant]]</big> 03:22, 17 May 2017 (EDT)'''

Since this is a talk page proposal, it should run for [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Rules 2|two weeks]], not one, so the deadline should be May 31. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 05:52, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:'''''Mincraft''''' should probably be '''''{{wp|Minecraft}}''''' and Super Mario Mash-Up Pack should be '''''Super Mario'' Mash-Up Pack''' (with a [[Super Mario Mash-Up Pack|redirect]]), as that's really the only thing we're covering. We're not covering the entirety of ''Minecraft'' itself, just the ''Super Mario'' related content. Users will probably touch it up once the article is merged anyway :)
:@Digibutter - Considering we're on the "Super Mario Wiki", I don't think people are going to be that confused. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:02, 18 May 2017 (EDT)
::In fact, I hate that title (along with wondering why we cover all aspects of Smash rather than Mario-related aspects, but that's a discussion for a different part of MarioWiki). Although Nintendo doesn't recognize [[Super Smash Bros. 4]], that is a better title to type out and doesn't accidentally create a subpage. It feels like it should be a [[:Category:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] page to avoid violations of [[MarioWiki:Once and only once]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:18, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

== Rename the article from ''Minecraft'' to a better title. ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|0-9|don't rename}}
Hi, I actually edits the [https://minecraft.gamepedia.com Official Minecraft Wiki] very frequently, started about 11 months ago, under the name "[https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/User:HaydenBobMutthew HaydenBobMutthew]". So I am very experienced with ''Minecraft'' and so I know that ''Minecraft'' have a few editions. According to the wiki, the following table summarises the editions and whether this edition have Super Mario Mash-up Pack or not.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Edition !! Super Mario Mash-up pack included?
|-
| ''[https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition Java Edition]'' || No
|-
| ''[https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Bedrock_Edition Bedrock Edition]'' || Partial (''Nintendo Switch'' Only, unavailable on the Marketplace, unusable in Cross Platform multiplayer, due to licensing restrictions)
|-
| ''[https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Legacy_Console_Edition Legacy Console Edition]'' || Partial (''[https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Wii_U_Edition Wii U Edition] and  [https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Nintendo_Switch_Edition Nintendo Switch Edition]'' Only)
|-
| ''[https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/New_Nintendo_3DS_Edition New Nintendo 3DS Edition]'' || Yes
|-
| ''[https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Education_Edition Education Edition]'' || No
|}
So, ''Minecraft'' means the game in general. Simply call the title "''Minecraft''" will cause readers confusion between editions. I think that it should be renamed to be ''Minecraft: Wii U / Switch / 3DS / Bedrock Edition'' or something similar. --[[User:HaydenKenMutthew|HaydenKenMutthew]] ([[User talk:HaydenKenMutthew|talk]]) 10:43, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

'''Proposer''': {{User|HaydenKenMutthew}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 2, 2018, 23:59 GMT

=== Support ===

=== Oppose ===
#{{User|Alex95}} - It's meant to be a collective name. I don't think anyone will get confused searching for XBox 360 information on the Super Mario Wiki. We're only covering the Super Mario Mash-Up pack information, not the whole game itself. The page did used to be called "Minecraft: Wii U Edition", but was changed to simply "Minecraft" per the previous proposal above. Per the above proposal.
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per Alex95 and the above proposal.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per Alex95 and the previous proposal.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all.
#{{user|Mario jc}} Per all.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Collective title>Overly-long slashy title. Per all.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|rollerC}} I was unsure about whether or not this would be good for the article, but considering looking up "minecraft mario wiki" on Google would give you ''Minecraft - Super Mario Wiki'' I doubt there would be any confusion over what the purpose of the article is. Per Alex95, per the previous proposal, per all.

=== Comments ===

== I think there should be articles for a lot of Minecraft stuff. ==

I think there should be articles for a lot of Minecraft stuff. Since the Minecraft Nintendo versions have Mario characters, it means that the Minecraft series are now Mario games, and I think the characters and a lot of other stuff except for Steve because he has his own article, should have their own separate articles.
I also think that all of the Bowser's Fury cat enemies should have their own separate articles because Cat Goofball and Meowser do. I also had wondered what would the cat enemies would look like until they were shown. [[Special:Contributions/107.146.244.150|107.146.244.150]] 22:00, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
:A ''Mario''-themed reskin pack does not make ''Minecraft'' a full-on ''Mario'' game. So no, we are ''not'' giving it full coverage. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:18, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
OK. [[Special:Contributions/107.146.244.150|107.146.244.150]] 00:14, June 23, 2021 (EDT)
::I ''do'' think that we should probably at least describe behaviors of things instead of just "{x} replaces {y}" on the separate entity pages. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:04, July 2, 2021 (EDT)

== How do we know it is the Minecart from Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker? ==

Are we 100% sure that the minecart is a reskin? For all I know the treasure chest cold be from SMB3. {{User:Bubbasour11/sig}}

== Door Painting Origin ==

What game does the normal Door painting come from? --[[User:CBFan5|CBFan5]] ([[User talk:CBFan5|talk]]) 20:53, July 29, 2021 (EDT)

I think it may come from Super Mario 3D Land's toad houses -[[Weej]]

== Soul Sand Origin ==

Does anyone know where the soul sand texture is from? I can't think of what it is supposed to be. - [[User:LBlueLuigi|LBlueLuigi]]
: It says the it's a thwomp, but I kinda think it's a [[Bomp]] -[[User:Luigi 1837]]

==New update==
The new mob look fabulous! I got axolotl can someone get the rest?{{User:Bubbasour11/sig}}

== Red Moo Moo missing Super Mushrooms ==

The red Moo Moo render is missing the Super Mushrooms that should be on top of it, and my image of the Moo Moo with the Super Mushrooms got deleted.--[[User:Jivan|Jivan]] ([[User talk:Jivan|talk]]) 23:45, October 24, 2022 (EDT)

:Sorry about that Jivan, I was new at the moment that I made that render, now I have fixed it, and created the other one. [[User:Chuculi|Chuculi]] ([[User talk:Chuculi|talk]]) 11:20, June 8, 2024 (EDT)

== Why does this article exist? ==

Seriously, why does this article exist? Can't we move ALL of this into the "list of Mario references in third party games" article? [[Special:Contributions/99.234.207.128|99.234.207.128]] 08:02, March 16, 2023 (EDT)
:That would make for a very long section within an already big page. This is an official thing which I believe Nintendo were involved with, so it should have a page about it. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 08:57, March 16, 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for answering, I just want the Mario stuff in Minecraft in the article. Isn't there a failed proposal about this? [[Special:Contributions/99.234.207.128|99.234.207.128]] 07:34, May 6, 2023 (EDT)

== New Images for Blocks and Items category ==

Hello, I've uploaded all of the images to turn the Blocks and Items section into a gallery like the other sections. I'm currently ill and don't have the energy to make the gallery, so please, if someone has time, finish the job that I've started. A Big Thanks, if anyone does it! - [[User:Luigi 1837]] | [[User:Luigi 1837|talk]]

== The problem with unknown mobs ==
{{User|ScratchCat5754}} I've been doing a lot of work on the Minecraft page because I have the mash-up pack on my Switch at home. I don't know about the origins of the Parrot, Tropical Fish, Skeleton Horse and the Zombie Horse. I've tried researching on the wiki, but I couldn't find anything. Also, where did that angry Poochy face come from?

== Redundant Images ==

[[Weej]] Should we delete the images from the building blocks section that are already listed in the door and wood types? We could condense a lot of the information that way

== Minecraft/Super Mario animals what they are Vs wta in Mario one ==

Above. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.247.110|82.132.247.110]] 10:10, November 13, 2024 (EST)

== Which things should have renders, which one shouldn't, and what should I do with them? ==

I am making the renders on the page, and I want to know what should include on this page, since I thought that making renders of blocks that shar the same textures of their "normal" counterparts could be unnecesary, like the stairs or the slabs. But I don't know, what should I do?
If the answer is that no, I shouldn't make renders of blocks like that, since the only change is the model, then, should I make them anyways and put them in the gallery? That would be useful or only a waste of time? Because I could do it, but I need to know what do you think before I start doing something like that.
And also, making renders of every block, like I am doing it right now, it is okay? Because I am reflecting the blocks as they are in the creative menu of Bedrock Edition, but I don't know if I am wasting too much space. I was thinking on the posibility of you considering maybe making a different page of Minecraft called "Super Mario Mash-Up", where the renders could be, without overloading the page with images, or should I just put them all in the gallery, I like the gallery, but in the gallery I cant specify which thing is which as easily as I would like, somebody could help me with this? I could still make the renders, but I feel a little lost since I am making this all alone.
Also, the table that compares minecraft mobs with their Mario counterparts, I don't know why some of them, despite I think I am trying to make it look good, mostly looks inconsistent with the sizes, I need help with that too. [[User:Chuculi|Chuculi]] ([[User talk:Chuculi|talk]]) 02:45, December 26, 2024 (EST)

== 2D textures? ==

Done anyone have a link to the 2D texture files? (Mobs, blocks,items,  hot bars/inventory, etc) {{unsigned|WearyEagle77054}}

==Delete this page and split the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack content==
{{TPP}}
{{early notice|option=yes|March 24, 2025}}
Aside from noting how the main game features Super Mario references (i.e. the ''[[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]'' painting that shows [[100m]]) and mentioning the appearance of [[List of fighters debuting in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate#Steve|Steve]] and [[Minecraft World]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', the current page on ''Minecraft'' mostly serves as a pseudo-Super Mario Mash-Up Pack page. The majority of the page currently focuses on showcasing the differences between the main mode of ''Minecraft'' and its Super Mario Mash-Up Pack incarnation. Because of this, I do not think the full game itself deserves a page, as it only has a handful of minor references to the ''Super Mario'' franchise, in a similar manner to the ''Super Mario'' references in ''{{wp|Evoland}}'', with the main difference being the fact that ''Minecraft'' contains explicit ''Super Mario'' references, while ''Evoland'' contains many different ''Super Mario'' look-alike-style references. The game itself (''Minecraft'') currently gets the first paragraph or so of its page, with the rest of the page being devoted to the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack, minus a paragraph or two regarding version differences and unused content that also mentions the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack. The ''Super Mario'' references in ''Minecraft'' are also already on the [[list of references in third-party video games#Minecraft (PC and multiplatform)|list of references in third-party video games]], mostly negating the need for a full page on ''Minecraft''. Because of this, I think the following things should be done.

*Delete this page and split the {{fake link|Super Mario Mash-Up Pack}}/Remove content pertaining to the main mode in ''Minecraft'' and move the page to {{fake link|Super Mario Mash-Up Pack}} 

'''Proposer''': {{User|Nelsonic}}<br/>
'''Deadline''': March 31, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Delete ''Minecraft'' and split Super Mario Mash-Up Pack===
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.

===Split Super Mario Mash-Up Pack content, do not delete ''Minecraft''===

===Delete ''Minecraft'' and split both the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack and the ''Super Mario''-themed map it comes with===

===Do nothing===
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Doing this would mean the wiki no longer classifies Minecraft as a [[MarioWiki:Coverage#Guest_appearances|guest appearance]], despite having a Nintendo-sanctioned add-on that reskins virtually the entire game to be Mario-themed (plus a whole Mario-themed map - I'm not very familiar with how these versions of Minecraft work but can't you still play the map without actively using the pack?). That's a lot more than some of the other games we consider guest appearances can say, and there's not really a compelling argument to change that. Right now the page is doing its job of showing all the relevant Mario content in the game.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per Waluigi Time, but also given we have an imminent proposal that seeks to change how we handle crossover content, and would require a Minecraft article anyways... Yeah, we can't say we're endeared.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|Hewer}} This strikes me as a rather pointless and confusing change. It's a page about all the relevance that Minecraft has to the Super Mario franchise, which naturally consists mostly of the mash-up pack.
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Per all.
#{{User|PopitTart}} Minecraft is a game that allows you to straight up play as Mario, Yoshi, Luigi, Peach, and MANY others, as officially licensed by Nintendo. I don't see what that doesn't warrant a page.
#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all.
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} Per all.
===Comments===
:@Waluigi Time True, but in this case, couldn't we just additionally split the map? While I agree that Minecraft does have a substantial amount of ''Super Mario'' content, it is confined to the aforementioned map and a texture pack. Other than that, the main game's ''Super Mario'' content is already covered on the [[list of references in third-party video games]]. [[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 15:47, March 17, 2025 (EDT)
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 ==Delete this page and split the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack content==
-{{settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-9|Do not split}}
+{{early notice|option=yes|March 24, 2025}}
 Aside from noting how the main game features Super Mario references (i.e. the ''[[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]'' painting that shows [[100m]]) and mentioning the appearance of [[List of fighters debuting in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate#Steve|Steve]] and [[Minecraft World]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', the current page on ''Minecraft'' mostly serves as a pseudo-Super Mario Mash-Up Pack page. The majority of the page currently focuses on showcasing the differences between the main mode of ''Minecraft'' and its Super Mario Mash-Up Pack incarnation. Because of this, I do not think the full game itself deserves a page, as it only has a handful of minor references to the ''Super Mario'' franchise, in a similar manner to the ''Super Mario'' references in ''{{wp|Evoland}}'', with the main difference being the fact that ''Minecraft'' contains explicit ''Super Mario'' references, while ''Evoland'' contains many different ''Super Mario'' look-alike-style references. The game itself (''Minecraft'') currently gets the first paragraph or so of its page, with the rest of the page being devoted to the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack, minus a paragraph or two regarding version differences and unused content that also mentions the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack. The ''Super Mario'' references in ''Minecraft'' are also already on the [[list of references in third-party video games#Minecraft (PC and multiplatform)|list of references in third-party video games]], mostly negating the need for a full page on ''Minecraft''. Because of this, I think the following things should be done.
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 '''Proposer''': {{User|Nelsonic}}<br/>
-'''Deadline''': <s>March 31, 2025, 23:59 GMT</s> Closed early on March 24, 2025, 23:59 GMT
+'''Deadline''': March 31, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 ===Delete ''Minecraft'' and split Super Mario Mash-Up Pack===
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 #{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all.
 #{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} Per all.
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Per all.
-<s>{{User|WingedBoomBoom}} Per all.</s>
 ===Comments===
 :@Waluigi Time True, but in this case, couldn't we just additionally split the map? While I agree that Minecraft does have a substantial amount of ''Super Mario'' content, it is confined to the aforementioned map and a texture pack. Other than that, the main game's ''Super Mario'' content is already covered on the [[list of references in third-party video games]]. [[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 15:47, March 17, 2025 (EDT)
-==Reorganize and reduce the Mobs section==
-{{TPP}}
-The Mobs section in the main page of the ''Minecraft'' article is currently extremely thorough and extremely long due to that. Images are all placed in a table with two columns, with the original mob on one side and the ''Super Mario'' version on the other. While this is informative, it also locks the table into only displaying one type of mob per row, and with over a hundred separate mobs, it becomes quite lengthy, with over half the total page length being dedicated to these two-columns tables.
-I believe this is an issue for two reasons. Firstly, it diminishes the use of the game's gallery page. Many mobs on this table have alternate versions that are simply recolored versions of ''Super Mario'' creatures (Piantas), recolored versions of ''Super Mario'' creatures that don't exist (Splounders) or even generic colored creatures that are hardly equivalent to any one specific ''Super Mario'' creature (Parrots). These are superfluous in showing what the mob looks like and should be moved to the gallery, which ''already'' has extra versions of other mobs (babies, sheep colors, villager jobs, etc). This way, the table can focus on only showing each mob's general appearance, minor color/expression differences aside. Additionally, I believe having such a lengthy table makes the page clunkier to navigate. A user just browsing the page, without using a Search function or the Table of Contents has to scroll through this gigantic table that is effectively a gallery before finding other content.
-To fix this I propose two changes:
-The first change is to convert all tables into galleries. This allows each row to display up to 10 images at once, drastically reducing the overall length of the table. They would resemble this format:
-<gallery>
-Minecraft Allay.gif|[[minecraftwiki:Allay|Allay]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Allay Render.gif|Allay ([[Sprixie Princesses|Green Sprixie Princess]])
-Minecraft Armadillo.png|[[minecraftwiki:Armadillo|Armadillo]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Armadillo Render.png|Armadillo ([[Armad]])
-Minecraft Axolotl Lucy.png|[[minecraftwiki:Axolotl|Lucy Axolotl]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Lucy.png|Lucy Axolotl ([[Splounder]])
-Minecraft Axolotl Wild.png|[[minecraftwiki:Axolotl#Wild|Wild Axolotl]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Wild.png|Wild Axolotl (Pink Splounder)
-Minecraft Axolotl Gold.png|[[minecraftwiki:Axolotl#Gold|Gold Axolotl]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Gold.png|Gold Axolotl (Yellow Splounder)
-Minecraft Axolotl Cyan.png|[[minecraftwiki:Axolotl#Cyan|Cyan Axolotl]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Cyan.png|Cyan Axolotl (Green Splounder)
-Minecraft Axolotl Blue.png|[[minecraftwiki:Axolotl#Blue|Blue Axolotl]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Blue.png|Blue Axolotl (Blue Splounder)
-Minecraft Bat v2.gif|[[minecraftwiki:Bat|Bat]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Bat Render v2.gif|Bat ([[Swoop]])
-Minecraft Camel.gif|[[minecraftwiki:Camel|Camel]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Camel Render.gif|[[Camel]]
-Minecraft Cat Tabby.png|Tabby [[minecraftwiki:Cat|Cat]] (''Minecraft'')
-Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Tabby Cat Render.png|Tabby Cat ([[Lucky Cat Mario]])
-</gallery>
-The second change is to remove from the main page minor variations of mob appearances. Like colored sheep, if anyone wants to see what every single color, expression or even animations of a mob looks like, they should check the gallery. The main page should only illustrate what it generally looks like, and which ''Super Mario'' creature/character it is based on, if any. Choosing which of the images to keep and which to cut is difficult, so I am turning it into a poll proposal, alongside the first option to rework the table into a gallery.
-'''Proposer''': {{User|LadySophie17}}
-===Rework the table into a gallery===
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Support
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Yes please, the old gallery setup was a much more efficient use of space.
-#{{User|Camwoodstock}} We'd have to mull over the other options, but for now, we will say that ''this'' is long overdue.
-#{{User|PopitTart}} So much wasted space with the table layout.
-;Oppose
-===Remove default ''Minecraft'' mobs from the table/gallery===
-Including this option to simply remove the default textures for the ''Minecraft'' mobs from the main page gallery. Voting for this option invalidates the need for a table, but I'm keeping it separate from the poll above if anyone would like to keep the comparisons in the main page galleries anyway.
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Support
-#{{User|Sparks}} With all of these default ''Minecraft'' textures, the page becomes even more massive, causing severe lag/loading issues for everyone. I'd rather for just the ''Super Mario'' franchise-specific ones to stay, as they are relevant to the wiki. The default ones only clutter the page in my view.
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} The original mob textures, while they may be of some interest to someone who has never engaged with Minecraft before, feel out of scope when the section in general is about the mashup pack. I'm skeptical if we need them at all, but at least clearing them off the main page would do wonders for the size of the gallery (moreso than trimming a handful of texture variants).
-#{{User|PopitTart}} I think including the original designs just makes browsing the gallery harder for no real reason. If you want to see the vanilla design, the name links right to the Minecraft wiki.
-#{{User|SGoW}} I feel like it's a waste to have a ton of disctinctly non-Mario assets uploaded to this wiki purely for the sake of comparison.
-#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Waluigi Time.
-;Oppose
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} I think it is interesting to have comparisons between what each mob looks like and what they originally were, especially when these textures quite frequently break these textures, such as Goombas missing chicken heads, or Reznors missing the top half of each of Ravager's legs.
-#{{User|Camwoodstock}} With no basis for comparison, you're missing a ''lot'' of the context for why specific textures are the way they are. And yes, while someone could go to the Minecraft Wiki for those, we probably shouldn't be reliant on an external wiki altogether to give the full picture if we can non-trivially provide it on our own.
-===Cut axolotl variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Lucy.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Wild.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Gold.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Cyan.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Axolotl Render Blue.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} I suggest the first one (Lucy). It is the regular [[Splounder]] appearance.
-#{{User|PopitTart}} The other variants are just made up to fit Minecraft's number of variants. Keep Lucy.
-#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per LadySophie17.
-;Keep all
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} In the interest of accurately representing the mashup pack, I feel that it's mostly irrelevant if a given texture is arguably generic or doesn't have an exact counterpart in other Mario games. Alternate textures are an important art of these mobs and should be displayed on the main page.
-#{{User|Chuculi}} I think that showing every variant is important for documentation purposes
-===Cut cat variations===
-Because some seem to be colored after [[Cat Mario|Cat forms]], I am presenting a third option.
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Tabby Cat Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Tuxedo Cat Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Red Cat Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Siamese Cat Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up British Shorthair Cat Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Calico Cat Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Persian Cat Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Ragdoll Cat Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up White Cat Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Cat Jellie.png|x64px]]  [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Black Cat Render.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-;Keep only the colors based on Lucky Cat Mario, Cat Rosalina, Cat Peach, Cat Luigi, Cat Toad and Meowser
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Directly based on existing Cat outfits, the others resemble generic suits or is untextured (sorry, Jellie!).
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per all.
-;Keep all
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per me above. Jellie can be removed though, since it's not retextured in the pack. It's only part of it on the same technicality that anything from updates they haven't gotten to retexturing is.
-#{{User|Chuculi}} I agree with Waluigi Time
-===Cut frog variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Temperate Frog Render.gif|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Warm Frog Render.gif|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Cold Frog Render.gif|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} I suggest the third one (Cold). It is the regular [[Kleptoad]] appearance.
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal, keep Cold.
-#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per LadySophie17.
-;Keep all
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per me above.
-#{{User|Chuculi}} Keeping all the variants is important for coherency with the other mobs, and it's interesting for the users who watch the article
-===Cut horse variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Horse White Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Horse Creamy Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Horse Chestnut Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Horse Brown Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Horse Black Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Horse Gray Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Horse Darkbrown Render.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Too many generic horses that don't add anything. I'm not picky about which one to keep so I will just suggest the second one (Creamy). I like it.
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal. I don't really mind which is chosen.
-;Keep all
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per me above.
-#{{User|Chuculi}} They may not add something important, but for the readers it is interesting
-===Cut mooshroom variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Red Mooshroom Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Brown Mooshroom Render.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-;Keep all
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Based on two different Mushrooms, unique enough.
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per me above.
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-===Cut parrot variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Red Parrot Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Blue Parrot Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Green Parrot Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Cyan Parrot Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Gray Parrot Render.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Too many generic parrots. I suggest keeping the first one (red).
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per LadySophie17.
-;Keep all
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per me above.
-#{{User|Chuculi}} Per me above
-===Cut rabbit variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Brown Rabbit Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up White Rabbit Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Black Rabbit Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Gold Rabbit Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Salt And Pepper Rabbit Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Black And White Rabbit Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Toast Rabbit Render.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-;Keep all
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} They are all unique ''Super Mario'' rabbits.
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per me above.
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-===Cut tropical fish variations===
-These images are base versions never seen in-game, which instead features dozens of unique designs for them. Due to this, I am adding a third, more game-accurate, option.
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Tropical Fish A Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Tropical Fish B Render.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-;Keep both
-;Replace both with colored fishes
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} To better illustrate the variety, I suggest [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Tropical Fish Queen Angel Fish Render.png|x32px]] and [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Tropical Fish Ornate Butterfly Render.png|32px]].
-#{{User|PopitTart}} I would suggest [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Tropical Fish Tomato Clown Render.png|x32px]] and [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Tropical Fish Red Snapper Render.png|32px]], since they clearly illustrate the Cheep Cheep inspiration.
-#{{User|Chuculi}} Technically, you could see them in game if the game generates white for both textures, it wouldn't be the same shade of white though. I suggest having like 3 or 4 of each model to illustrate how they could have different colours
-===Cut villager variations===
-Due to villager also having profession variations not covered in the page, I am adding a third option.
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Desert Villager Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Jungle Villager Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Plains Villager Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Savanna Villager Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Snow Villager Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Swamp Villager Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Taiga Villager Render.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-;Keep all colors, no professions
-#{{User|Chuculi}} A message could be added like: "for checking their proffessions, look at the gallery".
-;Include one of each profession, covering all colors between them
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} For the sake of being thorough, I suggest: [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Snow Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Taiga Nitwit Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Plains Armorer Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Jungle Butcher Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Plains Cartographer Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Desert Cleric Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Snow Farmer Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Jungle Fisherman Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Swamp Fletcher Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Savanna Leatherworker Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Plains Librarian Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Taiga Stone Mason Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Savanna Shepherd Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Desert Toolsmith Villager Render.png|32px]][[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Swamp Weaponsmith Villager Render.png|32px]]
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-===Cut fox variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Fox Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Snow Fox Render.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-;Keep both
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Based on different ''Super Mario'' power-up forms.
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per me above.
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-===Cut llama variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Llama Creamy Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Llama White Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Llama Brown Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Llama Gray Render.png|x64px]]
-'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-;Keep one
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Generic. I suggest the first one (Creamy)
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per LadySophie17.
-;Keep all
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per me above.
-#{{User|Chuculi}} Per me above.
-===Cut trader llama variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Llama Creamy Trader Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Llama White Trader Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Llama Brown Trader Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Llama Gray Trader Render.png|x64px]]
-;Keep one
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Generic. I suggest the first one, again (Creamy)
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} It's the same extra texture applied to the regular llamas, so in this case, one is fine for illustrative purposes.
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-;Keep all
-===Cut panda variations===
-Panda variations might seem like temporary states, but they are fixed and unique to each panda. With that said, I am adding a third option due to the Brown Panda being more visually distinct.
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Panda Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Panda Lazy Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Panda Aggressive Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Panda Worried Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Panda Playful Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Panda Weak Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Panda Brown Render.png|x64px]]
-;Keep one
-;Keep one black and one brown panda
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Their expressions are pretty generic. I suggest the first one, again (Normal)
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-;Keep all
-#{{User|Chuculi}} They are all different skins technically, so I would prefer all of them.
-===Cut wolf variations===
-[[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Wolf Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Wolf Ashen Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Wolf Black Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Wolf Chestnut Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Wolf Rusty Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Wolf Snowy Render.png|x64px]]  [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Wolf Spotted Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Wolf Stripped Render.png|x64px]] [[File:Minecraft Mario Mash-Up Wolf Woods Render.png|x64px]]
-;Keep one
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Unlike cats, all wolves are custom variations on [[Poochy]]. I suggest we keep the original (Pale)
-#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per LadySophie17.
-;Keep all
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per me above.
-#{{User|Chuculi}} Even thought those variations are ugly, having all variations would be good.
-===Comments===
-I think we can take this one step further. The original mob textures, while they may be of some interest to someone who has never engaged with Minecraft before, feel out of scope when the section in general is about the mashup pack. I'm skeptical if we need them at all, but at least clearing them off the main page would do wonders for the size of the gallery (moreso than trimming a handful of texture variants). Can we have an option to do that as well? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:03, March 26, 2025 (EDT)
-:I added an option for it. I noticed you haven't voted on Tropical Fishes and Villagers, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on these. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 16:49, March 26, 2025 (EDT)
-::I'm leaning towards the same options as you on those, but haven't decided yet. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:34, March 26, 2025 (EDT)