Editing Talk:Mega Goomba

==Connections with Grand Goombas==
Are Mega Goombas related to Grand Goombas in any special way? Because they are both reletivly the same, both are just bigger Goombas. {{User:Tails777/sig}}

You're right; Mega Goombas and Grand Goombas are relatively the same enemy--although Mega Goombas are larger than Grand Goombas. Also note that when stomped, a single Mega Goomba transforms into two Grand Goombas. {{User|MimiTheCopycat}}

They are SIMILAR, but Grand and Mega Goombas are technically not the same. But you do make a good point. [[PiranhaBomb]]

== Luigi U ==

I dont have New Super Luigi U, so I dont know if Mega Goombas appeared in it. Can someone please tell me if they did?
{{User:Super Elite Army Hammer Bro/sig}} 14:57, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

==Mario Party 10==
Wouldn't it make more sense to classify that with the NSMBDS one, since there's only one and it's a boss? I mean, yeah, it's smaller than the one from NSMBDS, but Petey Piranha was the size of a small house in his first appearance, and King Boo's been anywhere from the size of an ordinary Boo to the size of a Big Boo. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 20:58, 16 August 2017 (CT)
:No. The ''NSMB'' boss has a different Japanese name than the recurring enemy, and the [[Mega_Goomba's_Ladder_Leap#Names_in_other_languages|minigame's name in Japanese]] uses the latter. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:37, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
::[[Gritty Goomba (Gwarhar Lagoon)|Only looking at the names is bad]]; it's also necessary to look at the behavior between the two and compare and contrast. With that said, I'm not particularly familiar with either NSMB or MP10. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 00:46, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
:::I don't see how what you're bringing up is relevant. The Gritty Goombas are a case of two palette-swapped enemies in the same game having the same name, which is not what we're dealing with here. There's not much to say about the two Mega Goomba bosses behavior-wise; they just kinda walk around, and you have to jump (''MP10'') or [[Ground Pound]] (''NSMB'') on them multiple times to defeat them. In other words, they're giant Goombas that behave like giant Goombas, so that doesn't really help. Furthermore, the behavioral differences argument doesn't really hold up when talking about games in different genres.<br>{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 02:13, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
::::They're both platformers (not the entirety of MP10, but the MP10 minigame). The point is that the species was [[Talk:Mega_Goomba_(boss)#Split_Mega_Goomba_.28Species.29_from_Mega_Goomba_.28Character.29|split]] in the first place because of behavioural differences in the first place, so if someone was interested in moving a section from one to another, a name shouldn't be the only thing to look at. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 09:00, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

==Mega Goomba is Big Goomba==
The current state of the article is erroneous. If you look through the page history, the wiki considered the "Mega Goomba" species to appear in ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' as early as [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mega_Goomba_(boss)&diff=710001&oldid=671892 2010] - however, the Prima guide of that game doesn't mention it at all, so the name seems to be an extrapolation based on the [[Mega Goomba (boss)|previous boss]]. ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' also has different Japanese names for them: 「こでかクリボー」 (145 & 209) ''Kodeka Kuribō'' for what we have as Big Goomba, and 「でかクリボー」 (145 & 210) ''Deka Kuribō'' for what we have as Mega Goomba; however, ''Deka Kuribō'' is the usual name for a Big Goomba, meaning ''Kodeka Kuribō'' is a separate middle size. Moreover, we do have an English name that we overlooked for "''Kodeka Kuribō''" - Hefty Goomba, from the ''New Super Mario Bros. U PRIMA Official Game Guide''.

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*<big><b>Big Goomba</b></big>

*These giant Goombas seem scary, but they can be stomped just like regular Goombas. When you stomp a Big Goomba, though, it splits into two smaller Hefty Goombas! Use fireballs to defeat Big Goombas with less hassle.

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*<big><b>Hefty Goomba</b></big>

*Hefty Goombas are larger than normal Goombas, but smaller than Big Goombas. Stomp a Big Goomba, and it will split into two Hefty Goombas. Stomp a Hefty Goomba, and it will split into two regular Goombas. Talk about split personalities! You can defeat Hefty Goombas more easily with fireballs and iceballs.

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*Hungry for 1-Ups? This is a perfect place to rack them up! Simply hold the jump button and bounce off the many Big Goombas here, and just keep bouncing off the Big Goombas as they divide into Hefty Goombas and regular Goombas. Bounce off all of the various Goombas without touching the ground, and you’ll score a ton of  1-Ups!

In other words, Big Goombas are always the biggest size of standard Goomba, and the occasional intermediate phase is known as Hefty Goomba; Mega Goomba is the name of the boss Goomba from the original ''New Super Mario Bros.'' as well as the name of the Big Goomba from the ''Mario Party'' and ''Paper Mario'' series. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:00, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
:Then what is ''Kyodai Kuribō''? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:57, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
::The original name for Big Goomba, as referenced in the ''Color Splash'' line [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK-OBvIa9_M&t=7m37s "''PRETTY BIG, RIGHT?''"] [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:30, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
:::Darn it, Nintendos, keep your various words for "big" straight! This is worse than the still not-fully-resolved situations surrounding Boss Bass and Piscatory Pete combined! [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:34, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
:::How about ''Super Mario Maker'' where the "Big" Goombas were the Hefty Goombas? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:36, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
::::I was also thinking that enemy would be a Hefty Goomba, but on second thought, the name "''Kodeka Kuribō''" indicates it's a state in between big and normal forms. It's approximately the size of the original Grand Goomba from ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', and the "Big" sizes have ranged wildly depending on the game, so it can be considered a Big Goomba. On the other hand, the sound effect for stomping one is closer to the sound effect when stomping on a Hefty Goomba instead of a Big Goomba, and coupled with the same action of splitting into two normal Goombas, that suggests it's a Hefty Goomba. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:00, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
:::::[https://youtu.be/7Lesf9b_IWA?t=937 Except the 3DS version apparently calls it a Big Goomba directly....] [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:46, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
::::::In that case, I guess we should keep the ''Super Mario Maker'' enemy as a Big Goomba until we can check the Japanese version to see if it is just a mistake in the English version. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:13, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

==(Con)current?==
{{talk}}
I kind of forget ''New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe'' (2019) existed. If we count ''that'', then [[Challenge Mode (New Super Mario Bros. U)#1-Up Rally|Big Goomba]] is the most recent name. Thing is, this is just text that was arbitrarily copied verbatim from the original 2012 release, ignoring the instances of Mega Goomba in ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'' and ''Mario Party: Star Rush'' in 2016. The wiki decided at some point not to factor emulations, but ''Deluxe'' is an enhanced port. Then again, the wiki has been lax on unchanged text in ''Super Mario RPG'' and ''The Thousand-Year Door'', which had more involved remakes. Maybe there should be a proposal? Or maybe we should start thinking of breaking up the Big/Mega-Mini/Small articles in a logical way to mitigate re-piping? I'd like more input. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:56, October 18, 2024 (EDT)
: Personally, we should just leave as is. Breaking up the articles would be hard to do as for instance Big Boos are just giant Boos with no difference in their behavior and we gave articles to Big Boo (character) and Mega Boo because they're different. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:19, December 9, 2024 (EST)

==Image==
I have reservations about the main image. On the one hand, it shows the size...but on the other hand, it's pretty clearly the NSMB Goomba artwork just with three downscaled Goomba images thrown in. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:19, November 3, 2024 (EST)
:Do many games have a proportional difference between Goomba and Big Goomba? This is probably a case where just using an image editor gets the same result as making a entire "new" piece of art. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 09:36, November 3, 2024 (EST)
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 I have reservations about the main image. On the one hand, it shows the size...but on the other hand, it's pretty clearly the NSMB Goomba artwork just with three downscaled Goomba images thrown in. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:19, November 3, 2024 (EST)
 :Do many games have a proportional difference between Goomba and Big Goomba? This is probably a case where just using an image editor gets the same result as making a entire "new" piece of art. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 09:36, November 3, 2024 (EST)
-== Super Mario Maker ==
-The article has a merge notice for the enemies in the ''Super Mario Maker'' games, but no actual discussion about it, it seems? So may as well start. I think the merger would be a very good idea honestly, as Hefty Goombas so far are totally consistent in their behavior across all appearances, including SMM. ''Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS'' may call it a "Big Goomba" once, but I feel that should come second to it's behavior, given the aforementioned consistency and the obscurity of that name's usage. Additionally, it would make the documentation on [[Hefty Goomba]] match with that of [[Kodeka Kakibō]].--[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 05:07, December 18, 2024 (EST)