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== The "Football or Soccer" thing ==
Well, this doesn't have much to do with this article, but I want to say: Great Gonzo told "Well, Soccer is one sport, but Football can mean two different sports!". But then you should also keep an eye on articles like [[Chargin' Chuck]], [[Diamond City Roughs]] or [[Lyle Alzado]] - it isn't clear every time whether it tells about association football (soccer) or American football, because it's always only called football there. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 08:11, 2 June 2007 (EDT)


== Deke ==
== Deke ==
What caption do you think has the best deke and why?--[[User:YOSHIANDLINK1|YOSHIANDLINK1]] 09:56, 2 June 2007 (EDT)
Hey, YaL!  I hate to be a grouch, but the talk pages are for discussing revisions, etc.  But, your post is perfect for the forum.  You'll get a lot more traffic and responces there, too.  You want to look under "external links" on the left and click "Wiki Forum".  From there you can sign up for a forum account (your Wiki one only applies here)  and post away.  Sorry!  --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]


I'm not familiar with soccer, what is a "deke"? [[User:Waluigi Fan|Waluigi Fan]] 23:10, 2 June 2007 (EDT)
I'm not familiar with soccer, what is a "deke"? [[User:Waluigi Fan|Waluigi Fan]] 23:10, 2 June 2007 (EDT)
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That would be great.  I think that's what people have done for other skills and such.  There's even a category for it, and an article which the skill entries should be added to.  I believe it's under moves on the main page.  Anyway, if you'd like to, I know I'd appreciate it.  I guess we should then delete the information from these pages once the articles have been made.  Hoo... sounds like a lot of work!  Good luck! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:08, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
That would be great.  I think that's what people have done for other skills and such.  There's even a category for it, and an article which the skill entries should be added to.  I believe it's under moves on the main page.  Anyway, if you'd like to, I know I'd appreciate it.  I guess we should then delete the information from these pages once the articles have been made.  Hoo... sounds like a lot of work!  Good luck! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:08, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
== Petey's Mega Strike ==
Can someone please give me a link to a video of Petey's mega Strike? Thanks:)--[[User:YOSHIANDLINK1|YOSHIANDLINK1]] 17:19, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
You're not the only one wanting him... check out [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxUwUbQGHLM this page] on Youtube... everyone's requesting him!  Anyway, this video has everyone but Petey. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 17:33, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
In this video you can see everyones Mega Strike in 58 seconds [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_un7fv8JW04 CLICK YO]! anytime dude. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:Ugh... I got pwn'd x.X {{User:Stumpers/sig}}


==Petey, Diddy, and Bowser Jr.==
==Petey, Diddy, and Bowser Jr.==
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::::::Yo, I just have to say I did not make Wario's Polka, and I did not make the sidekicks section. I DID however decide that Yoshi's theme sounded like broadway music, and that Peach's was techno. If you know anything more descriptive than feel free to present to us your thoughts. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
::::::Yo, I just have to say I did not make Wario's Polka, and I did not make the sidekicks section. I DID however decide that Yoshi's theme sounded like broadway music, and that Peach's was techno. If you know anything more descriptive than feel free to present to us your thoughts. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:::::::Well, Yoshi's theme doesn't sound like Broadway music. Have you ever even been to Broadway? I'm still sure it's around gospel. And although the instruments in which the melody's played is used in techno, it really isn't. That like saying just because someone plays Hungarian Dance no. 1 with a glockespiel doesn't make it glockenspiel music. Now, I think we should have a vote or something. Maybe a census or something. [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 16:21, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
:::::::Well, Yoshi's theme doesn't sound like Broadway music. Have you ever even been to Broadway? I'm still sure it's around gospel. And although the instruments in which the melody's played is used in techno, it really isn't. That like saying just because someone plays Hungarian Dance no. 1 with a glockespiel doesn't make it glockenspiel music. Now, I think we should have a vote or something. Maybe a census or something. [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 16:21, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
I don't think Peach's music is techno that much either. It sounds like the stupid music that plays at fashion shows on the catwalk.XP{{User|DaisyRox02}}


== Yoshi's Megastrike? ==


You say Yoshi spits the ball, but I've been watching closely, and all that seems to happen is that Yoshi takes a deep breath and then blows on the ball. Anyone else think so? --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 13:19, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
:Yeah, you're totally right!  Good call. {{User:Stumpers/sig}}
==Music 2 listen==
Does anyone know a website were u can listen to the MSC music some1 pleese tel me cause i want 2 here it.
{{User:King Mario/sig}}
:And then put some tracks on the Wiki!  But for now, KM, just head on to the American and European websites.  They have nice tracks going in the background and to go along with their movies. {{User:Stumpers/sig}}
::Sorry, your best bet would [http://gh.ffshrine.org/ Galbadia Hotel], and they don't have it yet. Trust me, I want to listen to it too, but, I can't. :( You'll have to wait. Keep checking back on the website {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
==The good and the bad==
==The good and the bad==
Well here are the celebrations and dissapointment/anger and pain for kritter. you could Uz it if U want.if want to see one of the videos go to  
Well here are the celebrations and dissapointment/anger and pain for kritter. you could Uz it if U want.if want to see one of the videos go to  
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Celebration 6: Peach says "Yeah!" in a chaming way while she's posing in front of the camera.
Celebration 6: Peach says "Yeah!" in a chaming way while she's posing in front of the camera.


Dissapointment/Anger 1: Peach sceams, start stomping on the ground and start to cry (like a baby).
Dissapointment/Anger 1: Peach sceams, start stomping on the ground and start to cry (what a baby).


Dissapointment/Anger 2: Peach yells at one of her sidekicks the sidekick does a "Talk to the hand" sign and leaves while Peach stomps on the ground (this might only work with [[Birdo]] because no other male sidekick would want to do the "Talk to the hand" sign because they are boys).
Dissapointment/Anger 2: Peach yells at one of her sidekicks the sidekick does a "Talk to the hand" sign and leaves while Peach stomps on the ground (this might only work with [[Birdo]] because no other male sidekick would want to do the "Talk to the hand" sign because they are boys).
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bye {{User:King Mario/sig}}
bye {{User:King Mario/sig}}


NICED job, man! I don't know where to put these things, maybe we should put all this info in the character articles (Example: The Mario informaiton in the Mairo article under a new section). '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' Also I specially love Wario and Waluigi in the game, not because they're good but because of what they do. Like Waluigi's crotch chop, or Wario attempting to commit suicide with a Bob-omb (but it doesn't work nand he only gets burned up.)
NICED job, man! I don't know where to put these things, maybe we should put all this info in the character articles (Example: The Mario informaiton in the Mairo article under a new section). http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Also I specially love Wario and Waluigi in the game, not because they're good but because of what they do. Like Waluigi's crotch chop, or Wario attempting to commit suicide with a Bob-omb (but it doesn't work nand he only gets burned up.)
   
   
Yeah but someone has 2 put one of those of thoses things that all the captians and all the sidekicks have like one of those borders so som1 can put the Celebration and d/a. {{User:King Mario/sig}}
Yeah but someone has 2 put one of those of thoses things that all the captians and all the sidekicks have like one of those borders so som1 can put the Celebration and d/a. {{User:King Mario/sig}}
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Oh. Uh K. It's hard to understand him ;) {{User:Max2/sig}}
Oh. Uh K. It's hard to understand him ;) {{User:Max2/sig}}
:You misunderstood a lot of these. Kritter says "C'mon" a lot of the time, not "No". When Waluigi is about to do the Crotch Chop but stops, he doesn't laugh at his players, or laugh, he says "Yeah, I, WON!". He also says "Want the Ball, HERE!!!" not "Where the ball, here". Sorry, other than a few mistakes here and there, awesome work :) {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:You misunderstood a lot of these. Kritter says "C'mon" a lot of the time, not "No". When Waluigi is about to do the Crotch Chop but stops, he doesn't laugh at his players, or laugh, he says "Yeah, I, WON!". He also says "Want the Ball, HERE!!!" not "Where the ball, here". Sorry, other than a few mistakes here and there, awesome work :) {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
Bad news guys I'm not going to put this on the page beacause people keep on erasing the icon/stats so I'm just going to leave them on my page. {{User:King Mario/sig 2|All that work for nothing:(}}
Jeez, Daisyrox02, if you love the unmario wiki so much why don't you go on there... and is everything about the characters supposed to be misspelled and messed up?? {{User|Sgt.Boo}}


== DO NOT You Understand What You All Have Done??? ==
== DO NOT You Understand What You All Have Done??? ==
Look at this article! There are bad images, there are red links, and everything is all crap CRAP CRAAP!
Look at this article! There are bad images, there are red links, and everything is all crap CRAP CRAAP!
I'm sorry but this article needs some SERIOUS work. Some thing you people need to do are make separate pages for certain sections like characters, challenge mode, items, side kicks! Also if you're gonna use images for the three secret characters get some good images for GGGRRR sake! Also whoever uploaded the sidekicks images needs to be shanked! You didn't even have the common decentsy to edit out the site name!!! Ok I now I'm being too angry with what I'm saying but seriously. When I have the extreme amount of time it will take to edit this article completely there will be 'HUGE' change. (pathetic really) [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
I'm sorry but this article needs some SERIOUS work. Some thing you people need to do are make separate pages for certain sections like characters, challenge mode, items, side kicks! Also if you're gonna use images for the three secret characters get some good images for GGGRRR sake! Also whoever uploaded the sidekicks images needs to be shanked! You didn't even have the common decentsy to edit out the site name!!! Ok I now I'm being too angry with what I'm saying but seriously. When I have the extreme amount of time it will take to edit this article completely there will be 'HUGE' change. (pathetic really) [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:Well, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed :P Yeesh, just cos' you feel strongly about this article, doesn't mean you should burst out like that. I'll go over it, and fix up anything that doesn't go. Also, we don't have any better Images of the Unlockables. The person who uploaded the Sidekick Images was King Mario, how is he supposed to know how to edit Images? I'll fix that. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:Well, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed :P Yeesh, just cos' you feel strongly about this article, doesn't mean you should burst out like that. I'll go over it, and fix up anything that doesn't go. Also, we don't have any better Images of the Unlockables. The person who uploaded the Sidekick Images was King Mario, how is he supposed to know how to edit Images? I'll fix that. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}


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::That would be great.  Many of the stadiums are still "pre-release" work, so an update would be nice. :) {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:29, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
::That would be great.  Many of the stadiums are still "pre-release" work, so an update would be nice. :) {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:29, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
:::Fixitup is right, in some fields. We do need to organize everything a bit better, but, other than that, we are OK. This is exactly why I suggested a Mario Strikers PipeProject, so we can go over any mistakes and errors in the Mario Strikers articles. Regardless, everything else seems fine, just the organization needs help. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} The ''[[Super Mario Strikers]]'' article needs some help, as well.
:::Fixitup is right, in some fields. We do need to organize everything a bit better, but, other than that, we are OK. This is exactly why I suggested a Mario Strikers PipeProject, so we can go over any mistakes and errors in the Mario Strikers articles. Regardless, everything else seems fine, just the organization needs help. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} The ''[[Super Mario Strikers]]'' article needs some help, as well.
== Stadium Table ==
Bad news. I can't do the Stadium Table until' I get all the Images of the stadiums. Sorry, but it won't work without the Images. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:Ok then. Get the images!!!{{User:Toadbert101/sig|WORK YOU LAZY BUMS!! :P}}
::... WHY ELSE DO YOU THINK I SAID THAT!!! The Stadium Images are not very easy to find. The official website doesn't have all the Images, and there are no MSC fan-sites that have the Images. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:::Sorry. I didn't know :) {{User:Toadbert101/sig|ME PHAILZ!}}
== Diddy Kong and Bowser Junior pics found ==
I found Diddy Kong and Bowser Junior pics, but i didn't find Petey. if you wanna upload those images, send me a message, if you want accept my support. is better than nothing...  {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
:Upload them, we need them badly. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} Good job ;)
Where did you found them? [[user:javier12345|<span style="color: #1560BD">'''Javier12345'''</span>]]
== Petey Piranha's team number ==
I have found out Petey's team number. If you look closely during Petey's away entrance, you will notice the number 4 on his back shortly after he has landed. I have included a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JO3XNqp-R4
If you look closely as he lands and folds out, you can make out the number 4 on his back. [[User:Piranhasaurus Rex|Piranhasaurus Rex]]
==WAHOOO!!!!!!!==
The name is finnally the English one! there is a god! :) [[User:Lu-igi board|Lu-igi board]] 18:00, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
:Ha, ha!  That there is. :3  Like I said earlier, it's a small change that doesn't mean much to the North American crowd but it certainly seems to mean a lot to the European crowd. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:12, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
::I dont get it... [[User:Alpheta|Alpheta]] 16:26, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
===American Name Proposal===
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|no quorum|1-1}}
This article should be a american name like most games on the wiki. The Mario strikers charged football name can be in the other languages template. We should make this page a redirect to the Mario Strikers Changed article in the future if we make an article for it. So we should make a [[Mario Strikers Charged]] article instead of this one.
'''Proposer''':{{User|Fuzzipede27}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 27, 2010 17:00
====Support====
#{{User|Fuzzipede27}} Per proposal.
====Oppose====
#{{User|Reversinator}} It's our policy to use the first english name. It was released in Europe first, so the European name is the one we use.
====Comments====
Isn't this the ONLY in the mario series that uses the european name thus its the ONLY one that was released in Europe first? {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:Its prequel was released in Europe first too. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
Unless our naming policy changed, this proposal is invalid. If you really want this title to be changed to the NA version, you need to go through the proper channels first. Make a proposal about changing that policy then come back here.--{{User|Knife}} 04:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
== Captain stats ==
Lets keep them like this.
*'''Character Type:''' Playmaker
*'''Super Ability:''' [[Freeze Frame!]]
*'''Deke:''' Like Toad, Peach makes a somersault, carrying the ball with her. she can jump over the opponent with it.
====Stats====
*'''Moving''' 10
*'''Shooting''' 3
*'''Passing''' 10
*'''Defense''' 3
We don't need extra info like team colors and stuff.
If you want to take that action, you may need to make a Talk Page Proposal {{User:UltimatePetey/sig}}
== Name of article ==
why has the american name come back? someone edit this as it should be [[User:Lu-igi board|Lu-igi board]] 05:23, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
:New policy replaced the old policy. Steve himself said it (that's Porple if you don't know), so it's staying. [[User:GreenDisaster|GreenDisaster]] 09:40, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
== PAL / NTSC differences? ==
I've noticed one difference while I was playing a PAL ISO of the game. During the loading screens, before a match, in the NTSC version, the characters' pictures are mugshots. When I played in a PAL ISO, it's only their heads. Can anyone confirm this? {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:16, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
I checked, both versions are different.
{{User:L151/sig}}
:So, where should it be noted? {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:58, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
::Trivia perhaps, if it's the only distinction in both versions.
{{User:L151/sig}}
== Losing animations in this game ==
I added the informations about the first three characters' losing animations in this page.[[User:Pierce Ng|Pierce Ng]] ([[User talk:Pierce Ng|talk]]) 21:39, June 4, 2022 (EDT)
:GIFs probably do a better job expressing these characters than paragraphs of description. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:58, June 4, 2022 (EDT)
== The new table is very difficult to read ==
https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_Strikers_Charged&diff=next&oldid=3929501
This took a while and I appreciate the effort behind it, but I need to say, it's not doing it for me. Not only all the information is under visually cluttered, confusing array of rowspans, it's more difficult to edit due to all information contained in one section (also this isn't showing up in the table of contents).
The older one[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_Strikers_Charged&diff=3929501&oldid=3927613] didn't have much issues to begin with. Why was it changed?
Also a lot of other galleries/etc formatted into tables like in ''Mario Kart Wii'' and ''Double Dash'' articles have the same issue, but this is the first table I came across. {{User:Mario/sig}} 01:44, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
:The bullet points were ''incredibly'' difficult to read slabs of text and weren't even in a consistent order between characters. This ensures the order remains locked, and is more economical for space. Also, the old one didn't mention Kritter at all, and like so many other tables I've found, the images were needlessly tiny to the point of lacking clarity. As for the table of contents, even now it's overly bloated. There's obviously no perfect solution, but this is still more economical/readable/aesthetically pleasing. Either way, I don't think you should just revert, I fixed several bad grammatical errors that had only persisted so long due to the unreadably poor formatting of the original. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 07:15, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
::I do not like the use of colspans to condense redundant information (such as headers), that's not what it's for. I use a fairly wide monitor and I have to glaze my eyes to the center of the page to locate it, awkwardly while trying to find it. The original isn't unreadable; it's a bit spartan for sure but I can instantly tell where the home entrance information is because it's right next to a bullet point. Center-formatted text isn't also good formatting for bios either, since that's mostly a decorative formatting rather than something good to write blurbs about (blurbs should be left formatted). Additionally, I feel we don't need two thumbnails of characters surrounding their name. Plus, it's more difficult to edit: just to fix a small error regarding Koopa, Hammer Bro, and Birdo's classification, I have to scroll all the way back up to hit the edit function. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 10:12, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
:::Btw are describing the opening winning and losing animations for the characters REALLY necessary? None of the Mario Tennis/Golf articles do this and I don't think we should describe Mario Party characters' winning animations. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 10:26, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
::::I'm confused, what else ''would'' colspans be used for is such a case? Also, I had to strain my eyes to even find the labels for things with the old tables, since again, it wasn't consistently ordered and was formatted poorly. Either way, I agree either method would look better without the (often poorly described) animations listed. I just wish we could find official names for the Mega Strikes so they can be listed normally too. For the record, I was inspired by {{user|Nintendo101}}'s table improvements on ''Super Mario'' series pages, since I realized the "sports" spinoffs (including the kart games) don't get much love (and also this is more consistent with ''Battle League''{{'}}s page). I've been going through them systematically for a little while, since I had previously done so with ''Diddy Kong Racing'' and no one had any complaint with it there. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:59, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, the old table was definitely a lot more readable in my opinion. If the biggest problem with the bullet points was that they weren't in a consistent order then they just should've been reorganized. I don't see how it was difficult to read before, they were all fairly short lines that had what it was describing right next to it. There's a number of problems here and this should probably be redesigned from the ground-up:<br>1. The table is designed incorrectly. Tables should be designed horizontally, not vertically. This is a problem with a lot of the tables on the wiki and it's something I've talked with Lakituthequick (who is well-versed in web design) about on multiple occasions.<br>2. Excessive use of images makes the table feel cluttered, one image per character is sufficient. Especially for the sidekicks, they [https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/297596959026446337/1113490703071322193/Screenshot_2023-05-31_at_11.33.20.png?width=458&height=627 don't look good at all] on smaller screens. (The recently redone Double Dash table has the same issue of using way too many images and being overwhelming to look at.)<br>3. The description of what each cell actually is has been moved too far away by being centered on the page. If you're reading the characters on the sides, your eyes constantly have to jump back to the middle of the page. The bullet lists were neater in this aspect.<br>4. Stemming from the first problem, focusing on a single character while editing is much more difficult because that information is now broken up and mixed with other characters.<br>5. As already pointed out the sections are no longer accessible from the table of contents, an issue made worse when you consider that the table probably takes up even more vertical space (and thus longer scrolling time) than it did before. A table of contents is as long as it needs to be, so this change just made navigation more difficult for the sake of it looking nicer.<br>I appreciate the effort and initiative to improve these pages, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of problems here that need addressing. (I'd also agree that we probably don't need to describe character animations on game pages, that's more of the nitty-gritty stuff that doesn't impact gameplay so much and better suited for the character articles themselves.) --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:03, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
::::::I have removed the lengthy animation descriptions and changed the description/uniform/emblem headers to be less centralized. Do you think it would be "too much" to upload the actual team emblems rather than just having descriptions for them? I find images are a lot quicker for eyes to register than words, which is why I add things like item images, while the label icons just add further clarity on where that character's section starts and looks nice. Could anchors and {{tem|edit}} solve the other issue? I like it when columns are properly aligned, which is difficult in separate templates. For things like player characters and bosses (when there is more than, say, four and not in a particular order in-game), I feel this grid-based tabling is better than tiny-image asymmetrical horizontal list tables (note how in Mario Kart Wii's previous revions, stat boosts were tucked away in a nearly-empty but still massive table below rather than be properly incorporated into the character list). Plus, this way, things like new and unlockable character don't have to rely on things like poorly-placed obscure asterisks to denote that. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:27, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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