Editing Talk:Mario Kart 8

==Use [[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe]] vehicle part thumbnail icons for [[Mario Kart 8]] parts==

[[File:GLA-MK8.png]]

'''Proposer''': {{User|Ray Trace }}<br>

===Support===

#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per all. The intention is that they're the same thing. So in other words, the ''DX'' icons are how the icons were meant to be displayed in the Wii U version, but compression had somehow messed it up in the process. Therefore, this made the Wii U icons "unintentionally official." For thumbnails on like wikitables, using the Wii U icons or Switch icons doesn't make a difference because one cannot tell the immediate difference. However, if one can tell the difference, let's say if the Wii U image was large enough, using the lower quality image is doing a disservice.

#{{User|DrippingYellow}} Per Tails. Aside from the compression, these renders are identical right down to the resolution. I've seen other instances of duplicate renders being uploaded on the basis that they're ripped from the game and are scaled down, so ''technically'' they're unique sprites ([[:File:MP6_Mario3.jpg|Mario Party 6 Title Logo Mario]], [[:File:Mario_Pointy_MP6.png|my behated]]), and this seems no different. In-game artwork in general should not be exempt from the "purge lower-quality duplicates" treatment; not in an artistic quality sense (i.e. all-stars would fall under this otherwise), but in a literal image quality sense (pre-rendered sprites from e.g. DKC or Yoshi's Story are the obvious exceptions here). This ought to be the case even for renders made for games if they happen to be the same render, especially when they are used in the ''same context'' at the ''same resolution'' in a remake of the game the render originally came from.

#{{User|Mario}} These are hairsplit differences. It would be easier for wiki maintenance to have all the file links in one place. I'm not a fan of how these are split and we have to actually decide if we should be using DX or the 8 one for, say Time Trials. Do we update the Time Trials icons to the 8DX one or not? We shouldn't have to fret over what amounts to the virtually same image. This wiki already doesn't really "respect" where the origins of the sprites come from. [[:File:MK8 Mario Icon.png]] and [[:File:MK8DX Mario Icon.png]] are virtually the same image (except different dimensions, maybe a slight emboss highlight difference?; the former doesn't have a crop applied to it probably to make it presentable as illustration on the stat tables) yet if you look at the file links, the first one is used in the Deluxe pages, second one isn't anywhere frequently as used. ''At least'' in the Mario Party 6 example being used, the thing does have an alpha channel while the game art doesn't, but otherwise it really shouldn't be here anyway.

#{{User|Ahemtoday}} <s>According to the comments, the actual in-game versions of these sprites are identical, which lends credence to them just being uncompressed versions of the same images.</s> Okay, so um. I misread that completely. Even so, though, I find DrippingYellow's argument convincing.

#{{User|Okapii}} Per all, convincing arguments on both sides but imo the convenience that just using the MK8D sprites provides for the wiki is more valuable than the sense of preservation gained by keeping the exact same images in slightly lower quality.

===Oppose===

#{{User|Hewer}} It feels a bit disingenuous to pretend an image came from a game that it didn't actually come from. Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe are two separate games with different sprites, we should be reflecting that instead of just using a wrong sprite and saying "close enough".

#{{User|ExoRosalina}} Why? It looks extremely different sprites between original and the deluxe one. The only case is the compression in their quality.

#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per opposition. Different games is different games.

===Comments===

:::::::::The direction on the plaid changed after an update; only the latter was used in 8DX to my knowledge. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:28, August 5, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::::I'd support the different variations then, since it's not an identical texture but with visible image artifacts. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 18:42, August 5, 2024 (EDT)

:::::@Mario: I don't understand why you're acting like figuring out which sprite to use is some super difficult task. As I said earlier, 8 Deluxe icons would be prioritised in general, and original 8 icons would be used for instances specifically in reference to that game. I don't see how this causes problems in any of the cases you mention - the [[Mario Kart 8]] and [[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe]] pages each have their own vehicle lists already so we can easily use the appropriate icons for each game in those, gallery pages having one more additional sprite isn't exactly disastrous, and the Time Trial ghosts actually are slightly different between 8 and 8 Deluxe and thus already have separate listings in the infoboxes on individual course pages (e.g. see [[Mario Kart Stadium]]'s infobox), so we can just use the icons for each game no problem. Also, we shouldn't be basing our decisions on what's "easier", but rather what's more accurate and informative. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 03:34, August 5, 2024 (EDT)

::::::The argument was never entirely about which item is "easier" to use, rather the two assets are identical in terms of practically everything except one does not have image compression artifacts and it's not worth keeping an asset with worse image quality just because of system limitations, which isn't even consistent across all of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's assets. That is why the ease of use argument is brought up. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 16:56, August 5, 2024 (EDT)