Editing Talk:Mario Kart (series)

==Merging==
I think we should merge all the Mario Circuits, Donut Plains, etc, especially in SMK, into one article, and describe each course in one. That way, we have about five to six longer articles than possibly twenty stubs. Old courses in MKDS will not be included, and battle courses will appear at the land but not specified by game in the template. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span> 19:04, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Make it so.[[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]

==Courses==
Though the LM rooms are still ongoing, Mario Kart (esp DS) is the next big project I've been thinking about. We need articles for each course in the series, as there are near 100. A template and/or category (Racing Courses) would be required. I myself copied the stastics for each of the 36 karts in MKDS and will be adding those now in a table. Anyone who's played any one of the MK games is invited to create an article for a racing course w/:

*Game(s) it's in
*Description
*Layout
*Shortcut(s)

Good luck! <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span> 16:54, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

Do you ever stop?[[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]
:Lol, I don't, notice how I hatched this idea while playing it while I was gone. :) <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span> 16:59, 31 July 2006 (EDT)
:Oh yes, this includes ''Battle'' Courses! For those, no shortcuts, but sometimes there's little things you can do to give yourself the upper hand (ie Block Fort, MK64 version, you can pop a balloon by landing on top of an opponent)

I hatched my toad template idea while asleep. No kidding, it came to me in dream.[[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]

== Changing the name? ==

Is the "(series)" part of the title really necessary? No game is actually entitled ''Mario Kart'', so I see no reason for it having to be there. [[User:Dodoman|Dodo]]

Well,it would be weird if you take away mario kart from every game,it would be 3ds or super. -Rosalina1234

I think so. If the new one for the 3DS is called "Mario Kart", I will change it back.
And Wikipedia made the series page "Mario Kart" so we '''should''' change it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Kart
(Diddy Kong vs Bowser Jr, was Waluigi vs Wario back then)
:Wikipedia isn't purely a Mario encyclopedia, and has less information than us concerning the Mario series. Look, if we have a page titled Mario (series) and Paper Mario (series) why shouldn't the same apply to the Mario Kart series ? [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 16:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

== Mario Kart 64 doesn't have heavy themes from Super Mario 64 ==

Except the castle of course, which other MK (And many Mario games perhaps) games after possessed (Peach Circuit - GBA, Mario Circuit GCN, Peach Garden DS) ... heck it would probably appear in the Wii version as well.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}
:<s>And what are you trying to say related to this article?</s> I see, you're right. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:13, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

==Non-Mario==
Since when are all the not Mario character confirmed not to appear in [[Mario Kart Wii]]?{{unsigned|Gowser}}

== Arcade GP? ==

Why make the arcade gp part of the series? I mean, nintendo didn't even make it, Namco did, and there are non-mario charators in it, plus it doesn't follow tradition in courses, cups, or items, so they should just put them in another articall, called 'Mario Kart Arcade GP Series'
[[User:Yoshi fire]]

MEH! that makes no sense. because it's '''''Mario Kart''''' Arcade GP. {{User:MegaDigga3/sig}}  7:31 4 June 2013

==Places!?==
What the? Is the Mario Kart series considered a place? By I mean a place to drive your karts and such? Comments are welcome here. {{User:RAP/sig}} [[Special:Contributions/RAP|It feels like the places list is imcomplete unless an answer is told...]]
:A game series is not a place ''where one can be'', I mean, it's something abstract. So I'd say the Places category is wrong here. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 06:40, 4 January 2008 (EST)
::Yes, I had recently checked the article's texting. There is no such category entry I'm afraid. That means there is a template that automatically qualifies the articles as "A Place that anyone can go to". I believe that it is the race courses template. I might have to do some hard work on this, if possibly if I have to place the Category: Places in the other articles. {{User:RAP/sig}} [[Special:Contributions/RAP|Time to fix the template.]]
:::BTW, in an unrelated statement. There are categories that are not belong here, items? games? These categories!? Great... {{User:RAP/sig}} [[Special:Contributions/RAP|Possibly a better type of mess... >_>]]
::::Oh, haha, this looks like work. Though I'm wondering whether "Games" is really wrong for this. Okay, there already is "Game Series", so it's redundant. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 07:01, 5 January 2008 (EST)

== Main vs. Arcade ==

I was just wondering: is it really fair to separate the games into these two categories?  There's no backing text from Nintendo that separated MKAGP from the console series.  If we're going to separate by platform type, we'd want consoles and handhelds to be separate as well.  Thoughts? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:27, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
:Well, you see, those games, first of all, are made by completely different people. If you read the "Iwata Asks" for MKWii, you will notice that every single time they refer to MkWii as the 6th game of the franchise. They don't even mention the existence of the Arcade series. I concluded they we're excluding it(arcade), not just as on a different system, but a rather entirely different series based on the Main franchise. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}

==Characters==
Do we really need a ? beside Mii Outfit A and B in MK3DS? Seriously, there is a 99.9999999999999... (considering that Miis are in the game) that they without a doubt won't appear. {{User:McQueenMario/sig}}

Maybe they will... Miis will be on the 3DS. Weird, but whatever. {{User:McQueenMario/sig}}

Maybe we can use Polari or Luma. Or maybe they will make a baby Rosalina. Who knows? -Rosalina1234

Is [[Mario Kart 64]] really the first appearance of [[Donkey Kong]] in Mario Kart? I thought the current Donkey Kong (from the N64 era onward) was the same as the original [[Donkey Kong Jr]], with the original Donkey Kong being the modern-era [[Cranky Kong]]? So technically it's the same DK all along, right? [[User:Ekolis|Ekolis]] ([[User talk:Ekolis|talk]]) 02:41, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

==Fire balls in MK:Wii???==

Where are they??? {{User:Mechayoshi/sig}}
:Do you mean Podoboos? They're in Bowser's Castle. A Bowser statue inside also breathes giant fireballs. {{User|Mario4Ever}}

==Mirror Mode==
This article has nothing on mirror mode. It is redirected from Mirror Mode but it doesn' have anything on it. I read through the whole article. Should we add something about Mirror mode?{{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}

Regarding ''Mario Kart 64'', is the engine class really 100cc in EXTRA?  For some reason, it feels more like the 150cc speed when I played it. {{User:M&amp;SG/sig}} 07:48, 5 November 2011 (EDT)

== Characters? ==

I saw all characters have ?'s in [[Mario Kart 7]], but Nintendo confirmed on a Japanese site that only two new characters will be added. So why wouldn't the ?'s change to X's? {{User:Toad'ShyGuy/sig}}

Since the game hasn't come out yet, we're not sure how many secret characters could be in the game. It is unlikely that the official Japanese website would have the whole roster uploaded. As well, there will be two NEW characters (as in characters that haven't been playable before), so I think you meant hidden characters, which likely won't all be on the website yet. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] 19:59, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

I meant that four new characters will be in the game, and twelve returning (+ Miis). All of the earlier playable characters are listed in the table, and those with ?'s arn't playable again, as all twelve returning drivers are confirmed already. I don't know how to explain it more clearly {{User:Toad'ShyGuy/sig}}

I know what you mean, it's just that the characters on the website might not be ALL of the characters, know what I'm saying? As in, there may be more hidden characters that they don't want us to know about yet, and these hidden characters may be returning characters. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] 18:47, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

== Change request ==

The infobox says the classic logo was used from Super Mario Kart to Double Dash!!. However, it was actually used from Super Mario Kart to Mario Kart Arcade GP 2. I changed it myself, but Wii browser issues with large pages accidentally deleted half the page, so I had to undo the edit. Can someone re-add it back in? Or should it not be re-added because of the Arcade titles being seperate from the main series? {{User:Nintendo64Fan/sig}} 20:06, 6 December 2011 (EST)
:Thanks {{User:Nintendo64Fan/sig}}

== Wait! Weight! ==
I can't figure where to put the mid-light and mid-heavy characters from Mario Kart 7 in the weight section. Can anyone please figure this out for me? Thanks, {{User|Magikrazy51}}

==Trivia Section Image==
Should we keep the pic in the article? Since the trivia policy says to implement trivia info into the article, I say it should be attach right under the character list, but I still think it doesn't look right. What are your opinions? {{User|Zero777}}

If it is the picture featuring the eight classic playable characters, then I believe we should. These 8 characters have been seen as icons for the series, and that image makes effective use of portraying them. The trivia section is a decent place to once again keep it (as some of the trivia mentions these 8 characters while the trivia section itself is quite long to fit it). I honestly don't see what's wrong with keeping it in that section to be honest. {{User:Propeller Toad/Sig}}
:Well I say to put it under the character table because that info is already mentioned in the table but not as an image. {{User|Zero777}}

I couldn't see a good place to fit it directly under the character table; however, I did place it within the weight categories considering that the image is capable of representing both the characters and weight classes (additionally the section is related to the characters as well in general). {{User:Propeller Toad/Sig}}
:PERFECTLY PLACED! Well Done! {{User|Zero777}}

== Split ghosts from game page ==
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DO NOT SPLIT 1-3</span>

Recently, I've noticed that the Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart 7 pages are '''''huge''''', especially with the ghost charts.  So I was thinking that we could split the normal and expert staff ghosts on their own pages re. game to lower down the size for some browsers like the 3DS or iPod Touch.  Also, it will help with the organization.

'''Proposer''': {{User|ParaLemmy1234}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 17, 2013, 23:59 GMT
===Support===
#{{User|ParaLemmy1234}} Per my proposal.
===Oppose===
#{{User|Gonzales Kart Inc.}} I get this proposal, but it is not needed. Probably ⅛ of mobile browsers, if not less even, cannot handle all the data.
#{{User|NSY}} How many stubs is this going to create, these articles if created will have next to no content on the,.
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per NSY.

===Comments===
Oh my god, how times do we have to repeat this: <b>short articles =/= stubs</b>!!!! {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:19, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

THANK YOU!! Now we see why its pointless... {{User:Gonzales Kart Inc./sig}}

We could theoretically put all the ghost data onto one page, but giving them all their own pages is a tad unnecessary. {{User|Yoshi876}}
*I was thinking like this:

List of Mario Kart Wii Normal Staff ghosts
… and so on with the other ghost races, including expert staff.  {{User|ParaLemmy1234}}
:Personally I think it should be List of ghost data in the Mario Kart series with normal staff at the top and then expert at the bottom. {{User|Yoshi876}}
::Yoshi876 has a point.  But like, keep Mario Kart Wii ghosts separate from Mario Kart 7 ghosts.  Just keep the games separate.  {{User|ParaLemmy1234}}
:::It'd be structured like most lists of with the first game, then the second etc. {{User|Yoshi876}}

==Split {{fakelink|Mario Kart Arcade GP (series)}} elements from [[Mario Kart (series)]]==
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DO NOT SPLIT 4-6</span>

I've been looking into this article and I noticed how this article is mainly talking about the Mario Kart games Nintendo developed and very little about the Arcade GP series. This mainly talks about the home console and handheld Mario Karts, and it's not because we lack that much info on the Arcade games. Here's my reasoning why these should be discussed separately:

*The Mario Kart Arcade GP series was designed by Namco. It may not seem significant, but [http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2013/06/17/e3-2013-mario-kart-8-interview/ Nintendo allowed them to have a free hand in the series] which is how it is the way it is.
*Mario Kart Arcade GP plays in a much different manner than the other Mario Kart games. For example, you have only a set number of items per race, and the items you get do not depend on your current placement. You also get prize and special items which are exclusive to the Arcade GP games.
*The courses are widely different. They do not have a set standard of 3 laps, and half of their courses are just another area of the same course. This obviously does not apply to Mario Kart games.
*Power-sliding is in a different name and the technique to use it is much further than any game in the home series.
*The article itself even seems to state that the Arcade series are separate and most points often exclude as how different the series are. It also rarely gives info on it, staying to the home series. Though it is a flaw to the article, the alternative of making a separate article for Arcade GP should be considered. Case in point: "Mario Kart Wii is the 6th game in the mainstream series"
*Nintendo does not really acknowledge the games. None of the Arcade elements (with the sole exception of the Thundercloud) ever make it in the home series, and they name their 7th Mario Kart game, Mario Kart 7, even though it technically isn't the 7th game in the series as they intended.
*Adding items from the Arcade GP series will only serve to clutter the article further (yeah there's a bunch of those), but it's the only way this article can be complete. The other way of making a separate article is a much better solution.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Baby Luigi}}<br>
'''Deadline''': October 26, 2013, 23:59 GMT

===Split===
#{{User|Baby Luigi}}
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} There's so much different about them, and trying to explain the differences on one article would be painful. i.e. This is a staple for the Mario Kart series BUT in the Mario Kart Arcade GP series it's this
#{{User|Tails777}} Per SuperYoshiBros. In a way, the Mario Kart Arcade games are a sub series to the Mario Kart series. We can always mention it on this page, just link it to the arcade series.
#{{User|Gonzales Kart Inc.}} Per TPP
# {{ User|Billy-Luigi}} There's a difference between The Main series and just the Arcade games :/

===Leave as it is===
#{{User|Mariofan5000}} It's still part of the series, so the page shouldn't be split.
#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} I see no reason as to why these should be split because both series share two things in common. 1. The name Mario Kart and 2 the fact that they are about Mario and friends driving around in Karts.
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}}Per Mariofan5000. Why does it need to be split? there only 3 games!.
#{{User|Tucayo}} - Per all, they are all the same series. That has been the norm for all series pages and it shouldn't be changed just because a couple of games are noticeably different from the rest.
#{{user|YoshiKong}} &ndash; Per all.
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per Tucayo.

===Comments===
@Mariofan5000: please convince me that you even read a single line of my proposal before you make a weak oppose {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 10:40, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

:He's made his opinion clear, and he's entitled to that opinion.

:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 17:13, 13 October 2013 (EDT)
::And that's the sad thing about opinions {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:29, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

:@Marshal Dan Troop: But there's Pacman characters, those aren't Mario characters are they?

:{{User:Randombob-omb4761/sig}}
::He didn't say Mario characters, he said Mario and friends {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:29, 15 October 2013 (EDT)
:::By the way, ''Super Smash Bros.'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' had only three games and they still get their own series article. So this point isn't valid. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}}

'''@Randombob-omb4761''': I don't think that your reasoning is vaild. We have articles for the [[Mario Baseball (series)|Mario Baseball series]] and the [[Mario Strikers (series)|Mario Strikers series]], despite both of them have only two games.--{{User:Megadardery/sig}} 05:24, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Main Series/Arcade List split ==

Reading this page, I personally think that the lists of games and characters looks messy. I was thinking that we should list the Arcade games in their own list after the list of main games and do the same with the character list. The character list especially looks really messy will all these characters that are exclusive to the arcade series. Thoughts? --[[User:SinnohMasterGalaxy|SinnohMasterGalaxy]] ([[User talk:SinnohMasterGalaxy|talk]]) 03:27, 24 April 2014 (EDT)
:They are still Mario Kart games. It would be silly to have a sub-page for games in a series that are released on a different platform. --<big>'''{{color|-|blue}}[[User:Skittles|{{color|Sk|red}}]][[User talk:Skittles|{{color|it|darkorange}}]][[Special:Random|{{color|tl|green}}]][[Special:MyPage|{{color|es|purple}}]]'''</big>
::I'm not suggesting a new page, just two different lists to keep the main series and Arcade series a little separate. --[[User:SinnohMasterGalaxy|SinnohMasterGalaxy]] ([[User talk:SinnohMasterGalaxy|talk]]) 15:51, 24 April 2014 (EDT)
:I think it looks fine the way it is.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 15:53, 24 April 2014 (EDT)