Editing Talk:Mario Bros. Returns

This should be fixed and moved back to "''Kaettekita Mario Bros.''" because, while it is an acceptable meaning, it's still only an unofficially-used fan-translation and thus has no business being the article's subject name. I think this was addressed a while ago, but someone went ahead and moved it without a word anyway. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:13, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
:Agreed. The anime movie isn't at The Great Mission to Save Princess Peach. {{User:Misty/sig}} 12:18, 13 May 2014 (EDT)

The policy is that official names (including foreign ones) > unofficial, so it "should" be move, yes. 

Now, if I'm allowed to stand on my soapbox a bit, I have to say: I'm perfectly aware some Japanese names are untranslated for a variety of reasons or alrady widely used to the point it would be counter-intuitive to change them (Doki Doki Panic), but if a Japanese name has a straightfoward, uncontroversial English translation... why not use it for the added readability?  if "keikaku" means "plan", call it a plan. Don't call it a keikaku. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 12:32, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
:I can see why MarioWiki:Naming suggests this practice in terms of article names - namely that not everyone will agree on the same translation, and a stance closest to official sources is generally more valued for maintenance... Though it might be worth a higher discussion among the other Admins, since you may be able to reach a different concensus on the matter. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:50, 13 May 2014 (EDT)

== Mario Bros. have returned ==

[https://r.ncp.nintendo.net/whitelist/ This page] on Nintendo's website calls it "Mario Bros. have returned". Official title or no? [[User:PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) 12:17, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
:I certainly think so. Shouldn't the page be renamed to that? --[[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 12:00, October 11, 2020 (EDT)
::Peeking in on this front. Google Translate also states "Returned MARIO BROS." as a valid title for the game, so that might be a better page name? Especially if sticking it to the Mario Bros. Encyclopedia is a high enough priority. '''''[[User:Camwood777|<font color="red">~Camwood777</font>]]''' [[User talk:Camwood777|<font color="red">(talk)</font>]]'' 22:57, November 27, 2022 (EST)

== game boxart ==
I opened the file used for the boxart and its title is quite concerning: [[:File:Kaettekita_Mario_Bros._possible_boxart.jpg]]<br>
This makes me think that it's not official, and indeed it seems whoever made it just used the Famicom cover of the original version with the title of this version, so I think it should be removed.<br>
I'm looking online for any official cover but I can't find any so I think the game was only released in a plastic sleeve. This guy here [https://overlodius.exblog.jp/20138815/] made a cover using the European NES re-release cover but that's not official either. The best thing I could find is this flyer [https://cdn.thegamesdb.net/images/original/boxart/front/30867-1.jpg] which I don't know if it can work as the infobox image, but I think it deserves a spot in the Gallery at least.--[[User:Kombatgod|Kombatgod]] ([[User talk:Kombatgod|talk]]) 09:42, February 20, 2020 (EST)
:FDS floppy disks didn't come in boxes but jewel cases with a wax sleeve over the disk. ''Kaettekita Mario Bros.'', however, was never sold separately. It was only available at Disk Writer kiosks. Customers would insert an FDS disk into the kiosk and select what game they would write on it. Because this game was a promotion, it costed only 400 yen as opposed to the usual 500, which made it the cheapest FDS game of all time. That picture is not boxart or sleeve art, it was most likely artwork put on the kiosk to let customers know it was available. This image: [[:File:Kaettekiaboxartreal.jpg]] is also interesting. Originally it was not KMB but some other game. When you use a kiosk, you would get a sticker to put on your disk. Since you could have written the game on either side A or side B, there are two different types of stickers. That image in particular is a side A sticker.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 13:52, January 19, 2021 (EST)
::I'm not having luck with reverse image searching the "possible boxart" and the uploader hasn't contributed in nearly a year (around the time this discussion started); if it's unverifiable then I'd either revert back to the title screen or maybe use the flyer since we already do that for arcade games. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:41, January 20, 2021 (EST)
::Small update, KMB took up more data than I thought. The game required both sides of the disk so both stickers were needed to label it.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 11:26, February 20, 2021 (EST)
I've come to the conclusion that this is a fanmade cover. It does not appear in the [https://pony.velvet.jp/fcdisk/fdsidxmnlsealallst2.html most comprehensive FDS fansite] and it lacks the [[Nagatanien]] [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nagatanien_logo.svg logo] which is found in the {{media link|Kaettekita Mario Bros. disk stickers.jpg|stickers for both sides}}. The original never had a cover like other Disk Writer only games.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 03:48, November 10, 2022 (EST)

:Thanks for investigating, I went ahead and deleted it.

:{{User:Shokora/sig}} 05:15, November 19, 2022 (EST)

Again, more unofficial images are being uploaded:  {{media link|KMB Freezie Artwork.jpg|Freezie}} and {{media link|KMB Icicle Artwork.jpg|Icicle}}. They were taken from [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cnd3YKQJmoz/ Instagram]. Ultimately, they are fanmade products made in Japan. The creator states that the original did not have a jacket label or instruction booklet: [https://jp.mercari.com/item/m32581856018 original sales post]. The original product had a [https://aucview.aucfan.com/yahoo/g1058524879/ mostly colorless leaflet] that was used as the basis for the fanmade booklet.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 14:11, May 23, 2023 (EDT)

:So the images in the leaflet can just replace the fanmade versions, right? - [[User:RHG1951|RHG1951]] ([[User talk:RHG1951|talk]]) 20:33, May 23, 2023 (EDT)

:Sorry. Totally forgot this result *cough

:Is there anyway to avoid future possible mistakes by others (if any) who are as forgetful as I am? <nowiki><!-- like this? --></nowiki> {{User:Blhte/sig‎}} 20:41, May 23, 2023 (EDT)

==Stuck fighter fly glitch==
Has anyone ever seen, read, or heard of a glitch where a [https://youtu.be/hak4FOUJYGE?t=765 fighter fly gets stuck]? It renders the phase unbeatable.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 11:24, January 29, 2021 (EST)
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 ::I'm not having luck with reverse image searching the "possible boxart" and the uploader hasn't contributed in nearly a year (around the time this discussion started); if it's unverifiable then I'd either revert back to the title screen or maybe use the flyer since we already do that for arcade games. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:41, January 20, 2021 (EST)
 ::Small update, KMB took up more data than I thought. The game required both sides of the disk so both stickers were needed to label it.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 11:26, February 20, 2021 (EST)
-I've come to the conclusion that this is a fanmade cover. It does not appear in the [https://pony.velvet.jp/fcdisk/fdsidxmnlsealallst2.html most comprehensive FDS fansite] and it lacks the [[Nagatanien]] [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nagatanien_logo.svg logo] which is found in the {{file link|Kaettekita Mario Bros. disk stickers.jpg|stickers for both sides}}. The original never had a cover like other Disk Writer only games.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 03:48, November 10, 2022 (EST)
+I've come to the conclusion that this is a fanmade cover. It does not appear in the [https://pony.velvet.jp/fcdisk/fdsidxmnlsealallst2.html most comprehensive FDS fansite] and it lacks the [[Nagatanien]] [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nagatanien_logo.svg logo] which is found in the {{media link|Kaettekita Mario Bros. disk stickers.jpg|stickers for both sides}}. The original never had a cover like other Disk Writer only games.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 03:48, November 10, 2022 (EST)
 :Thanks for investigating, I went ahead and deleted it.
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 :{{User:Shokora/sig}} 05:15, November 19, 2022 (EST)
-Again, more unofficial images are being uploaded:  {{file link|KMB Freezie Artwork.jpg|Freezie}} and {{file link|KMB Icicle Artwork.jpg|Icicle}}. They were taken from [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cnd3YKQJmoz/ Instagram]. Ultimately, they are fanmade products made in Japan. The creator states that the original did not have a jacket label or instruction booklet: [https://jp.mercari.com/item/m32581856018 original sales post]. The original product had a [https://aucview.aucfan.com/yahoo/g1058524879/ mostly colorless leaflet] that was used as the basis for the fanmade booklet.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 14:11, May 23, 2023 (EDT)
+Again, more unofficial images are being uploaded:  {{media link|KMB Freezie Artwork.jpg|Freezie}} and {{media link|KMB Icicle Artwork.jpg|Icicle}}. They were taken from [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cnd3YKQJmoz/ Instagram]. Ultimately, they are fanmade products made in Japan. The creator states that the original did not have a jacket label or instruction booklet: [https://jp.mercari.com/item/m32581856018 original sales post]. The original product had a [https://aucview.aucfan.com/yahoo/g1058524879/ mostly colorless leaflet] that was used as the basis for the fanmade booklet.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 14:11, May 23, 2023 (EDT)
 :So the images in the leaflet can just replace the fanmade versions, right? - [[User:RHG1951|RHG1951]] ([[User talk:RHG1951|talk]]) 20:33, May 23, 2023 (EDT)
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 :Sorry. Totally forgot this result *cough
-:Is there anyway to avoid future possible mistakes by others (if any) who are as forgetful as I am? <nowiki><!-- like this? --></nowiki> {{User:Blhte/sig}} 20:41, May 23, 2023 (EDT)
+:Is there anyway to avoid future possible mistakes by others (if any) who are as forgetful as I am? <nowiki><!-- like this? --></nowiki> {{User:Blhte/sig‎}} 20:41, May 23, 2023 (EDT)
-::Images from the leaflet can be used but there are probably better scans out there than the link I provided. This one was particularly difficult to spot since it was so well made that it looked official. It was only through prior experience researching the history of this game that caught my attention that something was wrong, which caused me to look deeper into this anomaly.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 05:35, May 24, 2023 (EDT)
-Guys, i found [https://www.ign.com/games/kaettekita-mario-bros| the real boxart]!!! [[User: Perfection|Perfection]] ([[User talk:Perfection|talk]]) 13:29, 14 December, 2023 (UTC)
-:Nope, that's a crop of the file we deleted which was determined to be fake. There was no boxart for this game.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 23:25, December 23, 2023 (EST)
-Ok, and [https://www.romstation.fr/games/nes/kaettekita-mario-bros-r49297/| this one]? [[User:Perfection|Perfection]] ([[User Talk: Perfection|talk]]) 18:00, 19/01/2023 (UTC)
-:link dead {{User:Blhte/sig}} 16:26, January 19, 2024 (EST)
-:[https://www.romstation.fr/games/nes/kaettekita-mario-bros-r49297/ Fixed your link]. It's a photoshop from the ad flyer. There's no Nagatanien logo.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 19:23, February 13, 2024 (EST)
 ==Stuck fighter fly glitch==
 Has anyone ever seen, read, or heard of a glitch where a [https://youtu.be/hak4FOUJYGE?t=765 fighter fly gets stuck]? It renders the phase unbeatable.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 11:24, January 29, 2021 (EST)
-==Move?==
-[https://r.ncp.nintendo.net/whitelist| This website] refers to this game as "''Mario Bros. have returned''". I know this is already stated on the article, but, why isn't the article moved to this? The [[Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia|encyclopedia]] is known for stealing titles from fan-made wikis, (making it an weaker source for a title). And seeing how this is both an English and non-encyclopedia name, why isn't it moved to that? {{User:Starluxe/sig}} 12:32, October 9, 2024 (EDT)