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==Prequel?==
Can anyone confirm that this could be a prequel to ''Super Mario Bros.''? The article says the brothers entered a pipe the enemies were emerging from at the end of the game. Is this true? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:If I remember right, there was a certain history of [[Mario]] that stayed very true to the video games, yet filled in small gaps between them with unconfirmed information, such as the one you mentioned.  It was one of the top his on Google.com.  Mind you, this was years ago (more than seven), but I could see it having stayed in someone's mind.  I believed it for quite some time myself.  In any case, we are given no reason to believe that the location of this game on the ''[[Mario (franchise)|Mario]]'' timeline should "go against" the assumption that the games are released in chronological order (with the exception of certain games featuring baby characters).  So, what I'm saying is that yes, it's a prequel to ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'' only so far as ''[[Donkey Kong]]'' was a prequel to ''Mario Bros.'' Still though, it makes perfect sense if you consider ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'' interpretation that [[Mario]] and [[Luigi]] came from [[Brooklyn]]. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 17:23, 4 January 2008 (EST)
:It's not a prequel at all. A prequel is a SEQUEL that takes place earlier. As this game came out before Super Mario Bros it cannot be a prequel, merely a predecessor.[[Special:Contributions/98.243.94.83|98.243.94.83]] 19:38, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
::Don't respond to comments that have a long year period between them. Thanks! &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 18:01, 17 December 2016 (EST)
:::You too. ;) {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:04, 19 December 2016 (EST)

==Article Name==
Would anyone else like to see "Mario Bros." as the header to this page, and then the page currently at "Mario Bros." be changed to "Mario Bros. (disambiguation)"?  I just feel that more people will search "Mario Bros." looking for this title instead of looking for the characters. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 17:23, 4 January 2008 (EST)

==? Mushroom==
Well, {{User|Toadbert101}} and I were playing the SMB3 battle mode of this game, and we found a ? Mushroom, that makes the Mario switch to where Luigi is, and also switches their current state (eg: If Super Luigi and just Mario were in the game, and Mario or Luigi got a ? Mushroom, Super Luigi would shrink back to Luigi and Mario will become Super Mario.) So, does this have an article, or not just yet? {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
:Not that I'm aware of, and I worked on the early part of the glossary and got beyond articles like ? Barrel.  I'm pretty sure someone would have made a redirect to the appropriate name if that were the case.  Are you talking about the arcade version or the GBA remake? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:42, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
::The SNES one in SMB3, from SMAS+SMW. {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
That mushroom is exclusive to Super Mario All-Stars. See the report at [http://themushroomkingdom.net/smb3_nes2smas.shtml#battlegame TMK].
<blockquote>The rare red "?" mushroom item adds a new twist. Here's how it works: If Mario and Luigi are both "Super" or both small, they will trade places if one of them touches the mushroom. However, if one brother is super and the other is small, it makes the super brother small and the small brother super, and they do not trade places.</blockquote>
I'm not sure about the advance ports, but judging from the "new twist" statement it's not in the original SMB3. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 07:12, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

==Who are the other two "mario bros"
If you play 4 player on the gameboy advance versions,there are 2 more players that are pallette swaps,are these actuall characters? {{User:yoshiyoshiyoshi/sig}}

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== Voice Acting ==

Who voiced the "Classic" and "Battle" options on the GBA multiplayer version? I would upload a sound clip of it but it won't let me yet. {{unsigned|Pie-jacker875}}

== Split ''Mario Bros. Classic'' from this article? ==

Seeing as we have most remakes split, and considering that the GBA remake has a different name from the original, should ''Mario Bros. Classic'' be split off this article?  I'm planning on making a proposal for this, but first I want to see if the community is in support of this idea. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 16:35, March 25, 2019 (EDT)

== Luigi ==

this is where many people were introduced to Luigi
{{unsigned|Rowbro}}
:Already in the article. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 02:01, July 2, 2020 (EDT)

==New York sewer system==
Is there a better source that specifies the game's setting as the New York sewer system? The article's [https://web.archive.org/web/20091022053804/https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4334387.html current source] comes from Miyamoto's quote, "''Looking at the setting of that game, it had the feeling of an underground New York sewer system.''" The impression I get is that it was just his idea from the game concept. Meanwhile, none of the instruction booklets or arcade flyers seem to corroborate with it, and in fact, the blurb in the Atari manuals paints a different picture: "''Mario the carpenter and his brother Luigi<span class="explain" title="* [2600/5200]"> </span> are hopping mad! The water pipes in '''their house''' are blocked with<span class="explain" title="nests of [2600] / pesky [7800/8-bit]"> </span>crawling creatures. If the two brothers can’t get rid of them<span class="explain" title=", [5200/7800/8-bit]"> </span>they’ll never take a bath again!''" So the setting instead seems to be the Mario Bros.' House, unless that was supposed to be located in New York. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:06, November 11, 2020 (EST)
:A [http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/11/qa-mario-creator-shigeru-miyamoto/1#.X6xSGmhKiUl 2010 USA Today interview]] has Miyamoto states "''I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let's put him in New York and he can be Italian. There was really no other deep thought other than that.''".  [[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 16:08, November 11, 2020 (EST)
::They decided Mario was Italian later? Though I guess Miyamoto also admits that there isn't a deep thought to it. So how should we take Miyamoto and Atari's story? Should we just write that the house is located in New York, or should we take better note of the difference between settings? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:05, November 11, 2020 (EST)
::: Well Miyamoto has referred to Mario as "[http://archive.is/bmll0 an Italian-American from Brooklyn, New York]" as early as 1996 so make of that as you will. Best way to handle it would just to just say it takes place in a sewer and note the differing stories in parantheses imo --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 17:16, November 11, 2020 (EST)

==''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and Game Boy Advance==
Lightly touched on [[#Split Mario Bros. Classic from this article?|above]], but moving from [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Split Switch/3DS ports with substantial new content|this proposal]], I definitely think that both the Classic Mario Bros. battle mode in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and the Game Boy Advance remake of ''Mario Bros.'' are easily transformative enough to split, especially considering ''Kaettekita Mario Bros.'' is its own article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:51, November 13, 2020 (EST)
:@LinkTheLefty It would require lots of copying and pasting, and that would be painful. I agree with splitting though. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 17:31, December 6, 2020 (EST)
::@Benjaminkirsc Not really. I agree on splitting. {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 17:54, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:I agree on splitting but I also want a separate article on the ''All-Stars'' Battle Game, preferably titled "Battle Game ''(Super Mario All-Stars)''". It's a distinct intermediary of the SMB3 and the SMA versions. --[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 13:14, December 24, 2020 (EST)
::The thing about that is the ''Super Mario All-Stars'' manuals (Super Famicom, Super Nintendo, and Wii) group the Battle Game mode under the original minigame, so I think it would be more prudent to split "Classic Mario Bros." and "Mario Bros. (Game Boy Advance)" first, then maybe discuss afterwards if they can be further split into Mario Bros. Classic and Mario Bros. Battle from the former and Battle Game from the latter since it seems about right that they all receive the same treatment. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:54, January 15, 2021 (EST)

==Luigi on the GBA==
Nintendo hasn't confirmed Luigi in the GBA remake of Mario Bros. This 'Green Mario' doesn't use the Luigi sprite or voice samples from Super Mario Advance, he just uses Luigi's color palette. However this is still confusing. Just saying.
[[User:YoshiPrower542|YoshiPrower542]] ([[User talk:YoshiPrower542|talk]])YoshiPrower542

== Port of Mario Bros. for the PC-8001 (the one developed by MISA and published by Westside Soft House) likely a bootleg ==

The recent discovery of the existence of [[Mario Bros. Special]] and [[Punch Ball Mario Bros.]] ports for the PC-8001 indicate that the version of Mario Bros. developed by MISA and published by Westside Soft House for the PC-8001 is most likely a bootleg. Westside Soft House also has a history of publishing a bootleg of the arcade game Tron and a prototype of a Xevious bootleg developed by MISA meant to be published by Westside Soft House has also been discovered. ~Cherri of [[User:Arctic Circle System|Arctic Circle System]] ([[User talk:Arctic Circle System|talk]]) 00:46, January 15, 2022 (EST)

== The "For alternate box art, see the game's gallery." section in the infobox ==

There are two wrong things with it: One, is that it implies that the image that is there is box art, which is not; it is a flyer. The second is that the "game's gallery" text links to [[Gallery:Mario Bros. (game)#Box art]], but a "Box art" section doesn't exist in that gallery page.

I am aware that this is both thanks to the {{tem|infobox}} template, which has in its code to say <code><nowiki>For alternate box art, see the [[Gallery:{{{gallery|{{PAGENAME}}#Box art}}}|game's gallery]].</nowiki></code>, and thanks to this game being an Arcade game, instead of a console game like most of the games in this wiki.

To "solve" that, various ideas come to my mind. The first one would be to directly create a "Box art" section in the gallery and change the header image from a flyer to a box art, but I don't think that it would be ideal. Then I think about the option of doing something in the actual "[[Mario Bros. (game)]]" page (not the Gallery or infobox template pages) to change that text below the image, and thus changing "For alternate box art" to something like "For alternate 'main images'" or something like that, and changing the link of the Gallery either to the [[Gallery:Mario Bros. (game)#Promotional material|Promotional material]] or [[Gallery:Mario Bros. (game)#Hardware and box art|Hardware and box art]] sections, but I don't know if that can be done because that would depend if the infobox template itself has that option, which I don't think that it does.<br> So another option would be to edit the template to either modify the <code>|image=</code> parameter to make something like <code>|image|arcade=</code> for arcade games, or to directly add a parameter like <code>|imagefooter=</code> to write at will what the text of that image displays, but I am not sure about which option, nor know if there is a better option in any case.

So, do you think that that text alluding that the flyer is box art, and that links to an nonexistent section in the gallery should be leaved as is, or should be changed? And if changed, in what way? -[[User:Kirbeat|Kirbeat]] ([[User talk:Kirbeat|talk]]) 15:46, February 12, 2022 (EST)

== Split SMB3 "Mario Bros.", SMAS "Classic Mario Bros.", GBA "Mario Bros.", and/or "Luigi Bros." into their own articles ==

{{TPP}}
We are covering numerous versions of the game in a very awkward mixed-together way. This proposal aims to rectify this by splitting the later ports and remakes that are included as sub-games in later releases (since there's no reason to split the ''many'' home console ports that every arcade game and their respective metaphorical grandma got in the early 80s). These are more akin to GBDK or (quite literally!) SMA in this regard, which we do have split; this also gets rid of the awkwardness of SMB3's page listing the miniscule amount of battle mode enemies amidst the main game's. There are multiple ways to go about this, depending on whether one wants to split the SMB3 and SMAS SMB3 versions from each other and whether to split ''Luigi Bros.'' at all since it's a title and P1 color change from NES ''Mario Bros.'' release 1.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 22, 2022, 23:59 GMT

====Split all into four new articles ({{fake link|''Mario Bros.'' (''Super Mario Bros. 3'')}}, ''{{fake link|Classic Mario Bros.}}'', {{fake link|''Mario Bros.'' (Game Boy Advance)}}, and ''{{fake link|Luigi Bros.}}'')====
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Seems the most comprehensive
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Doc von Schmeltwick.

====Split ''{{fake link|Classic Mario Bros.}}'' covering both ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and ''Super Mario All-Stars'', {{fake link|''Mario Bros.'' (Game Boy Advance)}}, and ''{{fake link|Luigi Bros.}}''====
#{{User|Hewer}} I think splitting a minigame remake of a minigame remake is going a bit far, but otherwise per proposal.

====Split {{fake link|''Mario Bros.'' (''Super Mario Bros. 3'')}}, ''{{fake link|Classic Mario Bros.}}'', and {{fake link|''Mario Bros.'' (Game Boy Advance)}}, but NOT ''Luigi Bros.''====
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Secondary choice

====Split ''{{fake link|Classic Mario Bros.}}'' covering both ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and ''Super Mario All-Stars'' and {{fake link|''Mario Bros.'' (Game Boy Advance)}}, but NOT ''Luigi Bros.''====
#{{User|Somethingone}} Per proposal.

====Do nothing====

====Comments====
I'm a little confused. "Classic Mario Bros." in ''All-Stars'', which had the same Japanese name as in the original ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' manual, is used here as an umbrella term referring to both the "Mario Bros." game (there referred to as a Battle Mode) and the added Battle Game mode (accessible via title screen). So the options in which those two are split should probably be "Mario Bros. (''Super Mario Bros. 3'')" [or maybe "Battle Mode (''Super Mario Bros. 3'')"] and "Battle Game (''Super Mario All-Stars'')". Also, as minigames, they don't need to be italicized (see retro-style microgames). The above discussion didn't bring up "Luigi Bros.", which I really think should be paired with a "Super Luigi Bros." split more than this one. Can you add an option for splitting "Classic Mario Bros." and "''Mario Bros.'' (Game Boy Advance)", but not "Luigi Bros."? I feel that's most reflective of the above discussion. <small>Honestly I was pretty close to getting around to this soon, to be frank I think that got enough support to split via discussion since I believe the more contentious matter that could've been addressed later if whether or not the "Classic Mario Bros." modes and the Game Boy Advance "Mario Bros. Classic" and "Mario Bros. Battle" modes should be split further.</small> [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:13, April 8, 2022 (EDT)