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==Un-canon elements==
The elements coming from the cartoons doesn't count in the video game timeline, so should I delete the part where it's said that something's happenning between Super Mario Bros. and its sequel ?
[[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 07:11, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:Actually, there is no "video game timeline". The whole article should be reorganized according to [[Help:Article#History|this]]. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 07:28, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::But, seriousely, it's obvious that there are multiples Marios in differents universes. The one from the video games, the one from the DIC cartoon trilogy, the one from the Mario anime, the one from the educative games, ect... Or else Bowser would be dead already, Mario would not have hairs, and Mario & Peach wouldn't have a romantic relationship. We should separe the vdieo games part from the cartoon part in the biography, at least, no ? 
[[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 08:47, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Of course there are many inconsistencies between the various appearances (not only in different media). That's why the section shouldn't be called "Biography" anymore, but rather "History". In this section, we can list every of Mario's appearances, no matter which form of media. Video games [[MarioWiki:Canonicity|aren't any more canon]] than cartoons. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 09:27, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

==Biography section.==
The biography section is a mess. It treats the different forms of Mario media as though they all occur in the same continuity. Why is this? Shouldn't there be a section detailing the video game continuity, a section detailing the TV cartoon continuity, a section detailing the movie continuity, and a section detailing any other continuities? I mean, I doubt any Superman wiki page jumbles the different Superman continuities together like this, for instance. It's just sloppy. - [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]]
:The organization is correct according to our [[Help:Article#History|guidelines]]. It's not a biography section, but rather a history section, and as such it should list all appearances of a character in history, no matter in which media. There's no way of making a proper "Biography" section, because even in the video game "continuity", there are dozens of inconsistencies. Plus, who says that video game appearances are part of a character's "biography", but cartoon appearances aren't? For our motivation to adopt this organization standard, please see [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 11#Article Organization Standard|here]]. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 05:41, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Paper Mario ==

Should that be considered canon or is it more of a spin off? {{unsigned|Huh}}
:If you mean "Part of the video games timeline", then yes. It's in fact a rather important game, as it's starting from here that Bowser will start to try world domination. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 01:32, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
:[[MarioWiki:Canonicity|There is no "canon"]]. The game was officially released by Nintendo, so there's no reason it's less "canon" than other games. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 17:35, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

Well the Mario RPG's are a bit different from the platformers but I get what your saying. {{unsigned|Huh}}
:Every Mario game is different. Mario can do 300 ft high jumps in Mario Strikers Charged when he can't jump higher than 5 ft in Paper Mario 2. But those are gameplay elements. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 01:32, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

== Misplaced Picture ==
There is a picture from Mario Vs. Donkey Kong next to the Wrecking Crew '98 section in the article. It doesn't belong there and someone needs to fix it!--[[User:Fawfulfury65|fawfulfury65]] 18:18, 29 July 2009 (EDT)fawfulfury65

==Name Wrong!==
Mario's full name isn't "Mario Mario" Nintendo NEVER said that,they said that Mario Mario isn't Mario's Name, Understand People!
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:[[Super Mario Bros. (film)|The ''Super Mario Bros.'' movie]] says his full name is "Mario Mario". The film was made with Nintendo's permission, and so we consider it to be an official source of information. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 17:10, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
You're right! MY NAME IS MARIO MARIO! How'd you know that? --[[User:Mario4Real|Mario4Real]] 10:38, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== ArtWork ==

I think Mario's New Super Mario Bros. Wii artwork should be at the start it is the newest.Plus it looks better in my opinion. 
[[Image:NsmbMario.jpg{{!}}215px]]
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== Game-unrelated Artwork ==

Back in the 1980s and 1990s, there were several official artwork pieces of Mario that showed him doing activities such as sports or driving a car. But they are not directly related to a particular game. At the moment I don't have any of these on hand, but I ask because now artwork of Mario and Peach wearing traditional Japanese attire has been revealed by Nintendo due to a recent event in Kyoto ([http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2009/10/nintendo_shows_off_its_history_at_kyoto_cross_media_event information]). The artwork can be seen [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/k-cmex2009/index.html here] (there is also a less-quality [http://www.inside-games.jp/article/img/2009/10/04/37996/110552.html photo]). Furthermore, there is artwork where Mario draws a rickshaw with Peach and Toad, but I've only seen a [http://www.inside-games.jp/article/img/2009/10/04/37996/110654.html photo] of it so far. Anyway, I think such artwork should also be covered in the character galleries, even if it doesn't belong to a game, but it is still official. Maybe in a separated section. What do you think? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 17:39, 5 October 2009 (EDT)
:If it's official... Sure, why not? - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 17:43, 5 October 2009 (EDT)
::Seems that Lindsayoris15 uploaded the art, but MeritC thought it is not needed and deleted it. But I still think nothing speaks against making a headline for "Non-Game Artwork." It is official artwork that comes from Nintendo. ''Hotel Mario'' and ''Mario is Missing!'', both 3rd party creations not made by Nintendo, aren't more official than this. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 06:42, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::If this artwork is acknowledged or even published by Nintendo, then there's no way to doubt that it's official. And the purpose of the wiki is to cover everything official. If we don't accept material not directly connected to a game, then we're going to have to remove many articles about Mario merchandise as well. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 07:04, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Agree. I uploaded them again, but I wrote MeritC to ask for opinion, so I put the artwork here until the answer arrives. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 13:47, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
<center><gallery>
Image:Mario in Japanese attire KCMEX2009.png
Image:Peach in Japanese attire KCMEX2009.png
</gallery></center>
:::::The reason I deleted them earlier was that even though they were from the Nintendo Japan site -- since they didn't have any REAL relation to the Mario installments here on this Wiki, it really doesn't belong here. That is, unless if the majority still says that they should still stay and we can find an alternative to tell folks that those two pictures don't have any relation to actal Mario installments (besides, they were mainly done to promote a Nintendo event in Japan). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 17:39, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::Well, we are a Mario Wiki, and Mario is Mario. We even cover information about his appearance in a milk commercial. I think this is practically the same thing. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 17:46, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Well, here's what I can do - I can create another sub-section in the respective gallery noting that said pictures were done to promote exclusive Nintendo events themselves. Hold on; I'll see if I can achieve this on both Peach's and Mario's galleries. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 20:49, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::All right, done for <i>both</i> Mario's and Peach's galleries (along with adding a disclaimer). Is this satisfactory to you all? --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 21:15, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Looks nice. The artwork I described in my first paragraph might not fall under "event promotions", though, but as said, I don't have that on hand at the moment. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:41, 7 October 2009 (EDT)



== Time for a New Image at the Beggining ==
{{Talk}}
There is nothing wrong with the Mario Party 8 piture at the start, but It's just Mario with his hands up! I think he should be more active in the piture at the start. This will show who Mario really is. He's the guy who bashes blocks, and flies through space! The piture should be more than just him standing. So, it's time to vote for a new one! Here are two I like:
[[User: Cberiault]]

<gallery>
Image:MarioGalaxyArt.jpg|<center>'''[[Super Mario Galaxy artwork]]'''</center>
Image:NsmbMario.jpg|<center>'''[[New Super Mario Bros. Wii artwork]]'''</center>
</gallery>


===Change the Main Image?===
====Votes for New Super Mario Bros. Wii Piture====
# I like this one the most. But the other one is good too. [[User: Cberiault]]
#{{User|Lemmy Koopa Fan}} I like this one better than the MP8 one we already have.

====Votes for Super Mario Galaxy Piture====

====Keep it the same====
#{{User|Edofenrir}} - I don't like either of them very much. Maybe a picture of him doing his victory sign. That would be more... uh... more Mario I guess.
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} - The MP8 pic is fien unless we could a better pic from NsMB Wii or we could wait till Super Mario Galaxy 2.

====Comments====

1. I see your guys point. But the Mario Party 8 artwork that we currently have is just kinda...lame. (Lame for the main artwork anyway) I think we need a more active one. I could try finding another one...but it might be an older artwork (I was considering the Mario Party 6 artwork when I changed my mind) [[User: Cberiault]]

I tried to find anouther one...but there really wasn't one that I wanted. Let's try to wrap this up in a few days. We need more votes. If we don't get more votes by Octorbor 16th, then we'll leave it the same.
   Octorbor 13, 2009 [[User: Cberiault]]