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| ::My point here is unlike most of the examples you provided, there is basically ''no'' consistency on what the difference is (when they have a tenable one to begin with). You may see these as different subjects, but they're ultimately less different from each other as a whole than every item covered on the "Green Magikoopa" page is from each other. Basically, if the difference is inconsistent, is there really a difference at all? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:27, May 19, 2022 (EDT) | | ::My point here is unlike most of the examples you provided, there is basically ''no'' consistency on what the difference is (when they have a tenable one to begin with). You may see these as different subjects, but they're ultimately less different from each other as a whole than every item covered on the "Green Magikoopa" page is from each other. Basically, if the difference is inconsistent, is there really a difference at all? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:27, May 19, 2022 (EDT) |
| :::As long as there always is a difference at all, regardless if it stays the same, then yes. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 05:58, May 19, 2022 (EDT) | | :::As long as there always is a difference at all, regardless if it stays the same, then yes. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 05:58, May 19, 2022 (EDT) |
| ::::Pretty much what swallow said. Also, the shy guys are not merged because of a "lack of consistency of abilities", they're merged because they've literally been shown to be interchangeable in color many times (like in [[Yoshi's Story]] and [[Paper Mario: Color Splash]]), something that can't be said of the Magikoopas. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 08:19, May 19, 2022 (EDT) | | ::::Pretty much what swallow said. Also, the shy guys are not merged because of a "lack of consistency of abilities", they're merged because they've literally been shown to be interchangeable in color many times (like in [[Yoshi's Story]] and [[Paper Mario|two Paper]] [[Paper Mario: Color Splash|Mario games]]), something that can't be said of the Magikoopas. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 08:19, May 19, 2022 (EDT) |
| :::::Except the sports appearances, where they are treated as the games' other color variations (''occasional'' slight stat differences if anything), and ''Puzzle & Dragons'', where the elemental attribute variation is ''also'' a standard color variant thing (see Coin Coffer and King Coin Coffer's varieties). PM64's Magikoopas also have more functional differences between the Shooting Star Summit miniboss and the Bowser's Castle enemy (which we ''do'' have merged) than the color versions have with either of those or each other. It's basically including "easy" and "hard" while excising "medium." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:56, May 19, 2022 (EDT) | | :::::Except the sports appearances, where they are treated as the games' other color variations (''occasional'' slight stat differences if anything), and ''Puzzle & Dragons'', where the elemental attribute variation is ''also'' a standard color variant thing (see Coin Coffer and King Coin Coffer's varieties). PM64's Magikoopas also have more functional differences between the Shooting Star Summit miniboss and the Bowser's Castle enemy (which we ''do'' have merged) than the color versions have with either of those or each other. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:56, May 19, 2022 (EDT) |
| ::::::You seem to have misinterpreted both things I said a bit. What I meant by the Shy Guys are "interchangeable" & the Magikoopa colors aren't was that there's games where Shy Guys ''change'' colors(In Yoshi's Story you change their color by ground pounding and in Color Splash the red shy guys turn blue when scared), which isn't the case for the Magikoopas. And as for the two Paper Mario Magikoopa types that's a completely different thing, as the game does not give them any unique names or appearances & they're treated as the same thing. That's more akin to [[Jr. Koopa]] having different stats than the color variations like [[White Clubba]] having different stats. My point is that if a color variant has noticeable stat differences ''on top of its color variance'', it should be split. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 18:16, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::Why should the sports appearances be split, though? Besides, I can think of [[Red Magikoopa#Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars|two]] [[Kamek#Mario & Luigi: Dream Team|instances]] of Magikoopas changing color, and the first is solely an aesthetic thing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:19, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::::And the Dream Team instances are [[Kamek (Red)|on]] [[Kamek (Green)|their]] [[Kamek (White)|own]] separate pages from the Magikoopa color variants<s>(they also don't change color here so much as they split off from the main Kamek)</s>, while limiting the SMRPG Red Magikoopa coverage to "a Magikoopa turns red for a bit" instead of treating it as an actual named appearance. My stance is unchanged. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 15:51, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::They actually split off all blue, then change color afterward. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:58, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::: Here's what I suggest we do: Take the Mario Baseball and Puzzle & Dragons info and merge them with the standard Magikoopa article (the former because the Toads, Shy-Guys, Yoshis and Kritters have different stats in the baseball games but we have them on the same pages, the latter because the Big Koopa Paratroopa, Coin Coffer and King Coin Coffer pages cover the color variations in the game) and leave the role-playing games info intact because the Magikoopas have different moves depending on color in those games. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 15:07, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::A full merge is non-negotiable for me, the RPG ones need to stay split for consistency. But at that point I don't see why we shouldn't just cover all appearances on those pages. A (color) Magikoopa is still a (color) Magikoopa, and it's consistent with how we handle appearances of big/small enemies. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:18, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::::The purple one is the only one I would agree with merging. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 15:46, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::: As, I've said, we should then do something about ''all of the other pages'' I've just mentioned because they have different abilities but we still have them merged. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 15:54, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::Not necessarily. It's a case of if the subject qualifies for a separate article (i.e. differences in RPGs which we do split for), then we should be covering all appearances of that subject and not arbitrarily excluding any. Honestly I'd support splitting color variants for stat differences but it's not something we necessarily have to do for consistency if we keep the Magikoopas fully split. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:06, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::I agree with "''if the subject qualifies for a separate article (i.e. differences in RPGs which we do split for), then we should be covering all appearances of that subject and not arbitrarily excluding any''" for ''this'' specific instance, but we also need to be aware of times when x=y but y=/=x (like how [[Red Boo]] is about the specific ''Mario Party'' series helper and not every instance of a generic Red-Boo-that's-just-called-a-normal-Boo). Since none of the Magikoopa Colors are ever just called "Magikoopa" and have had functional differences(except for purple), This situation isn't like Red Boo.
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| ::::::::::Like Swallow said though, I would be okay with just merging Purple Magikoopa, due to its lack of F.D. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 09:11, June 8, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::I'll support merging Purple Magikoopa exclusively. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:52, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::There is no separate page for Red Koopa Troopa. Seems logical to merge the different colors of Magikoopa into one page. {{Unsigned|Blushock}}
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| ::::::::::::"''The only functional difference between the koopas is that one walks off edges and the other doesn't. The magikoopas have way more functional differences than the two koopas do, and when it comes to color variants function is what usually decides if article or not.''"
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| ::::::::::::{{User:Somethingone/sig}} 18:54, June 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| == Source for SMPRG ==
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| The section on Magikoopa's appearance in [[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]] talks about a demo presentation. Where/When did this presentation take place? --[[User:Kitapio T.|Kitapio:]] [[User talk:Kitapio T.|Keepin' it cool]] since 2000 (not even close) 12:04, March 7, 2024 (EST)
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| :The opening movie before the "press start" prompt appears. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:33, March 7, 2024 (EST)
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