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| Yet, wouldn't the quote given (That's... my child?) on the Magikoopa article be from Kamek, not a Magikoopa? | | Yet, wouldn't the quote given (That's... my child?) on the Magikoopa article be from Kamek, not a Magikoopa? |
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| His name in Japan isn't "Kamek", it's "Kamezādo". [[User:Vent|Vent]] ([[User talk:Vent|talk]]) 15:09, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
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| ==Note on Kamek== | | ==Note on Kamek== |
| I think that at the top of the article it should say, for the character sometimes known as magikoopa see Kamek.[[User:Rpg gamer|RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!!]] ([[User talk:Rpg gamer|talk]]) 13:13, 24 March 2013 (EDT) | | I think that at the top of the article it should say, for the character sometimes known as magikoopa see Kamek.[[User:Rpg gamer|RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!!]] ([[User talk:Rpg gamer|talk]]) 13:13, 24 March 2013 (EDT) |
| :I added the <nowiki>{{Articleabout}}</nowiki> template if that was what you were talking about. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 18:49, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
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| ==Section Inconsistency==
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| Why is there a sub section "Paper Mario Information" under Official Profiles and Statistics with the Info Boxes for Paper Mario and TTYD? Shouldn't it be there in their respective game section, like the others articles? In fact, the Super Paper Mario info is in the game's section too. [[User:Hellmasterbg|Hellmasterbg]] ([[User talk:Hellmasterbg|talk]]) 01:16, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
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| ==Magikoopa Transforms in Mario Maker==
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| Should we have a proper list of what Magikoopas can transform blocks into in Mario Maker when normal/winged/big/big winged? That seems like something that would be added, but I wouldn't want to just go in without asking first. [[User:The Blue Boo|The Blue Boo]] ([[User talk:The Blue Boo|talk]]) 23:01, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
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| == Mario Party 8? ==
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| This article says 2 of the voices in the fun bazzar of mario party 8 are named after kamek. For some reason, in the copy of the game that i own, they are named magikoopa voices. maybe it's like mario party 9, where the name depends on the region? i have the NTSC version if i'm not mistaken. [[User:YoshiEgg1990|YoshiEgg1990]]
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| ==Where in Super Mario Party?==
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| Where in the game is the generic Magikoopa present?--[[User:Hamshamcart|Hamshamcart]] ([[User talk:Hamshamcart|talk]]) 21:23, 26 October 2018 (EDT)
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| Kamek is a Magikoopa. -- [[User:Bowser64|Bowser64]] 15:58, April 25, 2021 (EDT)
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| This is an inconsistency that bothers me a bit. While admittedly other enemies in PM and TTYD don't have color variants that aren't a wholly different enemy (barring Red Spike Top in the latter), the other appearances of them ''do'' have color variants, and the abilities aren't that consistent anyways. So, I ask: why are the color variants split? Should they not be merged? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:20, September 2, 2020 (EDT)
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| :I feel like the blue-shelled Spike Tops from two of the ''Paper Mario'' games could possibly be split into "Spike Top (blue shell)" with Red Spike Top merged into the main article, but that's neither here nor there. My question is, what about Kamek's color clones from ''Dream Team''? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:33, September 2, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::Could probably merge them with Kamek, though given the clone aspect a case could be made for keeping them...for now. (Also Spike Top in the first one did have a red shell, it had a blue one in TTYD and Super...and also there's the blue ones from the ''Maker'' games). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:41, September 2, 2020 (EDT)
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| :::Honestly, I think it's OK to keep them split, since besides the color they still have unique traits to further distinguish them from the regular Magikoopas, such as their individual skills in the first two ''Paper Mario'' games. Other types of species such as Yoshis and Shy Guys probably don't have different colors split because there aren't enough differences. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
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| ::::Problem is said "individual skills" don't carry. In TTYD, Green Magikoopas got the abilities of yellow and gray ones while losing their original ones to Red Magikoopas. This is therefore very much like Shy Guys since the lack of consistency of abilities is what keeps them merged. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:56, September 3, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::::OK, I have assembled a helpful table to show how the variance has been, and it's really not been consistent. Red's been closest, but...
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| !width=12%|Normal/Blue
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| !width=12%|Red
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| !width=12%|Yellow
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| !width=12%|Green
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| !width=12%|Purple
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| | align="center" |''Paper Mario''
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| | align="center" |[[File:PMMagikoopaGround.png]]<br>'''Magikoopa'''<br>Just magic blasts (Shooting Star Summit)<br>All Magikoopa abilities, along with cloning (Bowser's Castle)
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| | align="center" |[[File:PMRMagikoopaGround.png]]<br>'''R Magikoopa'''<br>Magic blasts and POW boosts
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| | align="center" |[[File:PMYMagikoopaGround.png]]<br>'''Y Magikoopa'''<br>Magic blasts and electrification
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| | align="center" |[[File:PM Grounded Green Magikoopa Sprite.png]]<br>'''GRN Magikoopa'''<br>Magic blasts and DEF boosts
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| | align="center" |Nonexistent
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| | align="center" |[[File:PMGMagikoopaGround.png]]<br>'''GRY Magikoopa'''<br>Magic blasts and invisibility boosts
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| | align="center" |[[File:PMWMagikoopaGround.png]]<br>'''W Magikoopa'''<br>Magic blasts and healing
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| | align="center" |''Paper Mario: TTYD''
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| | align="center" |[[File:PMTTYD Blue Magikoopa Sprite.png|100px]]<br>'''Magikoopa'''<br>All Magikoopa abilities
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| | align="center" |[[File:Red Magi Koopa.png|100px]]<br>'''R. Magikoopa'''<br>Magic blasts, POW and DEF boosts, and cloning
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| | align="center" |Nonexistent
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| | align="center" |[[File:PMTTYD Green Magikoopa Sprite.png|100px]]<br>'''G. Magikoopa'''<br>Magic blasts, elec. and inv. boosts, and cloning
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| | align="center" |Nonexistent
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| | align="center" |Nonexistent
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| | align="center" |[[File:White Magi Koopa.png|100px]]<br>'''W. Magikoopa'''<br>Magic blasts, healing, and cloning
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| | align="center" |''Mario Superstar Baseball''
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| | align="center" |[[File:MagikoopaSelectMSB.png|100px]]<br>'''Magikoopa'''<br>Great fielder, below-average batter, bad pitcher and runner
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| | align="center" |[[File:RedMagiSelectMSB.png|100px]]<br>'''Red Magikoopa'''<br>Slightly better batter, even worse runner
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| | align="center" |[[File:YellowMagiSelectMSB.png|100px]]<br>'''Yellow Magikoopa'''<br>Better pitcher, worse batter and runner
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| | align="center" |[[File:GreenMagiSelectMSB.png|100px]]<br>'''Green Magikoopa'''<br>Slightly better pitcher, even worse runner
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| | align="center" |Nonexistent
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| | align="center" |''Mario Super Sluggers''
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| | align="center" |[[File:Magikoopa Artwork - Super Mario Galaxy.png|100px]]<br>'''Magikoopa'''<br>Great fielder and pitcher, bad batter and runner
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| | align="center" |[[File:MagikoopaRed MSS.png|100px]]<br>'''Red Magikoopa'''<br>Slightly better batter, even worse runner
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| | align="center" |[[File:MagikoopaYellow MSS.png|100px]]<br>'''Yellow Magikoopa'''<br>Slightly worse pitcher
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| | align="center" |[[File:MagikoopaGreen MSS.png|100px]]<br>'''Green Magikoopa'''<br>Slightly better batter, worse pitcher
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| | align="center" |''Mario & Luigi: Dream Team''<br>(Kamek battle 3)
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| | align="center" |[[File:KamekDT.png]]<br>'''Kamek'''<br>Magic blasts, magic rings (last), Thwomp summons while chasing
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLDT-KamekRedFlying.png]]<br>'''Kamek (Red)'''<br>Adds to magic rings (first), summons giant broom to attack<br>High HP, low HP and SPD
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLDT-KamekGreenFlying.png]]<br>'''Kamek (Green)'''<br>Adds to magic rings (second), DEF, SPD, and POW boosts<br>High POW
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLDT-KamekWhiteFlying.png]]<br>'''Kamek (White)'''<br>Adds to magic rings (third), healing<br>Low POW
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| | align="center" |''Puzzle & Dragons SMB''
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| | align="center" |[[File:PDSMBE-BlueMagikoopa-TeamImage.png]]<br>'''Blue Magikoopa'''/'''Blue Kamek'''<br>Water attribute
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| | align="center" |[[File:PDSMBE-RedMagikoopa-TeamImage.png]]<br>'''Red Magikoopa'''/'''Red Kamek'''<br>Fire attribute
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| | align="center" |[[File:PDSMBE-YellowMagikoopa-TeamImage.png]]<br>'''Yellow Magikoopa'''/'''Yellow Kamek'''<br>Light attribute
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| | align="center" |[[File:PDSMBE-GreenMagikoopa-TeamImage.png]]<br>'''Green Magikoopa'''/'''Green Kamek'''<br>Wood attribute
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| | align="center" |[[File:PDSMBE-PurpleMagikoopa.png]]<br>'''Purple Magikoopa'''/'''Purple Kamek'''<br>Dark attribute
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| | align="center" |''Mario Sports Superstars''
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| | align="center" |[[File:Magikoopa-Stats-Baseball MSS.png|100px]]<br>'''Magikoopa'''<br>Good hitting and speed, average fielding and stamina
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| | align="center" |[[File:MagikoopaRed-Stats-Baseball MSS.png|100px]]<br>'''Red Magikoopa'''<br>Good hitting and stamina, average fielding, poor speed
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| | align="center" |[[File:MagikoopaYellow-Stats-Baseball MSS.png|100px]]<br>'''Yellow Magikoopa'''<br>Similar to normal Magikoopa
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| | align="center" |[[File:MagikoopaGreen-Stats-Baseball MSS.png|100px]]<br>'''Green Magikoopa'''<br>Similar to normal Magikoopa
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| | align="center" |''M&LSS+BM''<br>(''Minion Quest'')
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLSSBMMagikoopaBroom.png]]<br>'''Magikoopa (Blue)'''<br>Magic blasts, fly
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLSSBMMagikoopaRed.png]]<br>'''Magikoopa (Red)'''<br>Magic blasts, POW boosts
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLSSBMMagikoopaGreen.png]]<br>'''Magikoopa (Green)'''<br>Magic blasts, ACCUR boosts
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLSSBMMagikoopaWhite.png]]<br>'''Magikoopa (White)'''<br>Magic blasts, SPD boosts
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| | align="center" |''M&LBIS+BJJ''<br>(''Bowser Jr's Journey'')
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLBISBJJKamek.png]]<br>'''Kamek'''<br>Magic blasts, flies, is a captain
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLBISBJJMagikoopaRed.png]]<br>'''Magikoopa (Red)'''<br>Magic blasts, POW boosts
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLBISBJJMagikoopaGreen.png]]<br>'''Magikoopa (Green)'''<br>Magic blasts, SPD boosts
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| | align="center" |[[File:MLBISBJJMagikoopaWhite.png]]<br>'''Magikoopa (White)'''<br>Magic blasts, DEF boosts
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| ::::...there's still no tried-and-true consistency. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:17, September 3, 2020 (EDT)
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| Honestly, I think we should keep them split. The not-always consitency is certain, sure, but in many games, they do have unique abilities from the other types of Magikoopas in that game; that is also certain. So we could probably keep them split. [[User:Broque|Broque]] ([[User talk:Broque|talk]]) 19:25, June 16, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Yeah, they should be kept split because they are all different from each other. Merging them together will not make any sense at all.
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| [[User:OhoJeeOnFire|OhoJeeOnFire]] ([[User talk:OhoJeeOnFire|talk]]) 17:51, October 10, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::That doesn't make sense, the same could be said for Troopas. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:03, October 11, 2021 (EDT)
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| For my two cents, I don't see why it matters at all if the exact differences are consistent between games or not, as long as the differences are there. My vote is they stay split. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:07, January 23, 2022 (EST)
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| :Again, same can be said for Troopas. And if we're splitting all these, we might as well split P&D's "Blue Magikoopa" since it's not treated as any more "normal" than the rest. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:04, January 23, 2022 (EST)
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| ::I think we can use discretion on that one since the blue Magikoopa has almost always (if not always outright) been treated as the base Magikoopa. And I wouldn't entirely be opposed to a Troopa split honestly, but the Magikoopas have more going for them. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 19:52, January 23, 2022 (EST)
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| :::I've never played the game, but at least for the Puzzle & Dragons ones, I don't see how Purple Magikoopa is more worthy of a page than, say, Purple Coin Coffer. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 15:49, January 24, 2022 (EST)
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| :I do not mean any offense but this is quite silly. They have functional differences on top of their color variance so I don't see why we should merge them. "What about the koopa troopas?" The only functional difference between the koopas is that one walks off edges and the other doesn't. The magikoopas have way more functional differences than the two koopas do, and when it comes to color variants function is what usually decides if article or not. No/'''minimal''' functional difference? No article. Noticeable/Big functional difference? Article. It's that simple and that's what we should be going for. (Once again I do not mean offense, I'm just burned out about [[Magon|how every time]] [[Bull's-Eye Bill|we have]] [[Talk:Mega Goomba#Mega Goomba is Big Goomba|discussions]] [[Anti Guy|and/or]] [[Talk:Mecha-Bowser#Regarding the above proposal|decisions]] [[Talk:Porcupuffer#Decide if Porcupuffers are Cheep Cheeps|over what are]] [[Talk:Rip Van Fish#Relation to Cheep Cheeps|essentially the]] [[Talk:Blurp#Consider the Super Mario Maker games a design cameo rather than a full appearance|same topics,]] [[Talk:Tanooki Mario#Split between Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario 3D Land forms|we always]] [[Talk:Mushroom#Split Mushrooms based on their Roles|end up]] [[Talk:Dash Mushroom#Merge Mario Kart and Mario & Sonic Mushrooms here: proposal edition|taking]] [[Talk:King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)#Big Boss Boo|wildly]] [[Talk:S'crow Bell|and ]] [[Talk:Birdo (species)#Merging this with Birdo|ridiculously]] [[Poison Mushroom#Mario Party series|different]] [[Bubble Dayzee|courses]] [[Talk:Bowling Goonie|of]] [[Talk:Blurp (Yoshi's Story)|action]]) [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 19:24, May 18, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::My point here is unlike most of the examples you provided, there is basically ''no'' consistency on what the difference is (when they have a tenable one to begin with). You may see these as different subjects, but they're ultimately less different from each other as a whole than every item covered on the "Green Magikoopa" page is from each other. Basically, if the difference is inconsistent, is there really a difference at all? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:27, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::As long as there always is a difference at all, regardless if it stays the same, then yes. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 05:58, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::Pretty much what swallow said. Also, the shy guys are not merged because of a "lack of consistency of abilities", they're merged because they've literally been shown to be interchangeable in color many times (like in [[Yoshi's Story]] and [[Paper Mario: Color Splash]]), something that can't be said of the Magikoopas. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 08:19, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::Except the sports appearances, where they are treated as the games' other color variations (''occasional'' slight stat differences if anything), and ''Puzzle & Dragons'', where the elemental attribute variation is ''also'' a standard color variant thing (see Coin Coffer and King Coin Coffer's varieties). PM64's Magikoopas also have more functional differences between the Shooting Star Summit miniboss and the Bowser's Castle enemy (which we ''do'' have merged) than the color versions have with either of those or each other. It's basically including "easy" and "hard" while excising "medium." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:56, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::You seem to have misinterpreted both things I said a bit. What I meant by the Shy Guys are "interchangeable" & the Magikoopa colors aren't was that there's games where Shy Guys ''change'' colors(In Yoshi's Story you change their color by ground pounding and in Color Splash the red shy guys turn blue when scared), which isn't the case for the Magikoopas. And as for the two Paper Mario Magikoopa types that's a completely different thing, as the game does not give them any unique names or appearances & they're treated as the same thing. That's more akin to [[Jr. Koopa]] having different stats than the color variations like [[White Clubba]] having different stats. My point is that if a color variant has noticeable stat differences ''on top of its color variance'', it should be split. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 18:16, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::Why should the sports appearances be split, though? Besides, I can think of [[Red Magikoopa#Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars|two]] [[Kamek#Mario & Luigi: Dream Team|instances]] of Magikoopas changing color, and the first is solely an aesthetic thing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:19, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::::And the Dream Team instances are [[Kamek (Red)|on]] [[Kamek (Green)|their]] [[Kamek (White)|own]] separate pages from the Magikoopa color variants<s>(they also don't change color here so much as they split off from the main Kamek)</s>, while limiting the SMRPG Red Magikoopa coverage to "a Magikoopa turns red for a bit" instead of treating it as an actual named appearance. My stance is unchanged. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 15:51, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::They actually split off all blue, then change color afterward. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:58, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::: Here's what I suggest we do: Take the Mario Baseball and Puzzle & Dragons info and merge them with the standard Magikoopa article (the former because the Toads, Shy-Guys, Yoshis and Kritters have different stats in the baseball games but we have them on the same pages, the latter because the Big Koopa Paratroopa, Coin Coffer and King Coin Coffer pages cover the color variations in the game) and leave the role-playing games info intact because the Magikoopas have different moves depending on color in those games. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 15:07, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::A full merge is non-negotiable for me, the RPG ones need to stay split for consistency. But at that point I don't see why we shouldn't just cover all appearances on those pages. A (color) Magikoopa is still a (color) Magikoopa, and it's consistent with how we handle appearances of big/small enemies. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:18, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::::The purple one is the only one I would agree with merging. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 15:46, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::: As, I've said, we should then do something about ''all of the other pages'' I've just mentioned because they have different abilities but we still have them merged. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 15:54, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::Not necessarily. It's a case of if the subject qualifies for a separate article (i.e. differences in RPGs which we do split for), then we should be covering all appearances of that subject and not arbitrarily excluding any. Honestly I'd support splitting color variants for stat differences but it's not something we necessarily have to do for consistency if we keep the Magikoopas fully split. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:06, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::I agree with "''if the subject qualifies for a separate article (i.e. differences in RPGs which we do split for), then we should be covering all appearances of that subject and not arbitrarily excluding any''" for ''this'' specific instance, but we also need to be aware of times when x=y but y=/=x (like how [[Red Boo]] is about the specific ''Mario Party'' series helper and not every instance of a generic Red-Boo-that's-just-called-a-normal-Boo). Since none of the Magikoopa Colors are ever just called "Magikoopa" and have had functional differences(except for purple), This situation isn't like Red Boo.
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| ::::::::::Like Swallow said though, I would be okay with just merging Purple Magikoopa, due to its lack of F.D. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 09:11, June 8, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::I'll support merging Purple Magikoopa exclusively. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:52, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::There is no separate page for Red Koopa Troopa. Seems logical to merge the different colors of Magikoopa into one page. {{Unsigned|Blushock}}
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| ::::::::::::"''The only functional difference between the koopas is that one walks off edges and the other doesn't. The magikoopas have way more functional differences than the two koopas do, and when it comes to color variants function is what usually decides if article or not.''"
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| ::::::::::::{{User:Somethingone/sig}} 18:54, June 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| The section on Magikoopa's appearance in [[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]] talks about a demo presentation. Where/When did this presentation take place? --[[User:Kitapio T.|Kitapio:]] [[User talk:Kitapio T.|Keepin' it cool]] since 2000 (not even close) 12:04, March 7, 2024 (EST)
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| :The opening movie before the "press start" prompt appears. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:33, March 7, 2024 (EST)
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