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::Lava Piranha is not a good comparison at all. That was just a flimsy attempt to merge a boss with its parent species based purely on a shared Japanese name. There's more to it here. These two, as stated above, are portrayed nearly identically. In general, Merlon's clan is a very unusual case in that they seem to be purely thematic, looking different in each game and never recognizing Mario from past games, so they're clearly not the same people. The closest comparison I can think of would be the [[Chancellor]] and [[Toad Minister]]. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:50, March 25, 2021 (EDT)
::Lava Piranha is not a good comparison at all. That was just a flimsy attempt to merge a boss with its parent species based purely on a shared Japanese name. There's more to it here. These two, as stated above, are portrayed nearly identically. In general, Merlon's clan is a very unusual case in that they seem to be purely thematic, looking different in each game and never recognizing Mario from past games, so they're clearly not the same people. The closest comparison I can think of would be the [[Chancellor]] and [[Toad Minister]]. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:50, March 25, 2021 (EDT)
:::One of Wonky's tales in TTYD pretty much confirms your point about them not being the same people between the games (as stated on the top of Merlon's page). I think for the benefit of not confusing readers not familiar with the japanese name, it may be easier to leave them as seperate articles. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 17:24, March 25, 2021 (EDT)
:::One of Wonky's tales in TTYD pretty much confirms your point about them not being the same people between the games (as stated on the top of Merlon's page). I think for the benefit of not confusing readers not familiar with the japanese name, it may be easier to leave them as seperate articles. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 17:24, March 25, 2021 (EDT)
::::In terms of ''Paper Mario'', this is really much closer to [[Toad Town#Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door|Toad Town]] or the myriad of [[Template:PM items|other]] [[Template:PMTTYD items|name]] [[Template:SPM items|changes]] the series had for the first three or so games. If we're not prepared to split the versions of Merlon and his ilk, it wouldn't seem to make sense to keep this split. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:25, April 21, 2021 (EDT)
::::In terms of ''Paper Mario'', this is really much closer to [[Toad Town#Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door|Toad Town]] or the myriad of [[Template:PM Items|other]] [[Template:PMTTYD Items|name]] [[Template:SPM Items|changes]] the series had for the first three or so games. If we're not prepared to split the versions of Merlon and his ilk, it wouldn't seem to make sense to keep this split. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:25, April 21, 2021 (EDT)


==Merge to [[Merlumina]]==
==Merge to [[Merlumina]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|5-0|merge}}
This is a straight-up inconsistent dub issue. Aside from having the same name in the language-of-origin, they function ''exactly'' the same as well: female spirit ancestor of the respective game's Merlon who appears to give a plot item while telling a comedically long-winded backstory of it. Regardless of if they are or are not the same ''individual'', the point comes back to:<br>
This is a straight-up inconsistent dub issue. Aside from having the same name in the language-of-origin, they function ''exactly'' the same as well: female spirit ancestor of the respective game's Merlon who appears to give a plot item while telling a comedically long-winded backstory of it. Regardless of if they are or are not the same ''individual'', the point comes back to:<br>
"If they ''did'' consistently localize it, would we have it split?"<br>
"If they ''did'' consistently localize it, would we have it split?"<br>
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===Support===
===Support===
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per.
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per.
#{{User|Scrooge200}} I've always thought these characters were the same.
#{{User|Swallow}} I'm not really sure how I can oppose this time, it's been implied that each Merlon between the games are not the same individual anyway despite not splitting them here, so I guess this will be for that consistency.
#{{User|Somethingone}} Per all.
#{{User|7feetunder}} The whole issue with the [[Talk:Cleft#Classification, Implementation, and Translation|"Moon Clefts"]] in ''SPM'' seems to indicate that the game's translators had a very loose grasp of the original ''Paper Mario'', hence the inconsistency (IIRC, Merlumina is the only "mer" character in ''SPM'' without a counterpart in ''TTYD'').


===Oppose===
===Oppose===

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