Editing Talk:MS-DOS

== Is this page worth keeping? ==
I personally don't see any point in having a Mario Wiki page about the MS-DOS, and as was mentioned in the Discord earlier, it validates articles such as a Windows article to be created. [[User:RollerC|rollerC]] ([[User talk:RollerC|talk]]) 01:45, 30 July 2018 (EDT)
:It's better as just a simple category. The current article is awfully detailed and off-topic. It seems like we ''don't'' have a category for this yet. Also, categorizing this as a Video Game system and putting it in the "Video Game Consoles and Add-ons" navigational template seems to be a bit of a stretch. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:26, 30 July 2018 (EDT)
::Agreed. I do like the idea of having it as a category instead. [[User:RollerC|rollerC]] ([[User talk:RollerC|talk]]) 17:54, 30 July 2018 (EDT)

==Article to category proposal==
{{TPP}}
===Turn this article into a category===
Essentially, the Games section would become: "List of Mario games released for the MS-DOS".

'''Proposer''': {{User|rollerC}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 13, 2018, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|rollerC}} As discussed before in both the Discord and the above talk section, this article is incredibly off-topic to the subject of Mario, and the only relevant information is the list of Mario games released for the MS-DOS. {{User|Bazooka Mario}} makes a good point that the information in the article would be ''much'' better served in a category page, rather than include the unnecessary clutter that is the information on the MS-DOS, which most users visiting the website are probably not looking for anyway.

===Oppose===
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} The fact that games on this system were later ported or remade to actual Nintendo consoles, unlike with Windows, I find to warrant its keeping.

===Comments===
After this proposal is complete, I'll remove the unresolved conflict box. [[User:RollerC|rollerC]] ([[User talk:RollerC|talk]]) 18:59, 30 July 2018 (EDT)

In response to Doc, I'm not necessarily proposing that a Windows category should be created when an MS-DOS category is, however since a Windows article is valid ''because of this article'' as Glowsquid said in the Discord, I'd much prefer these articles become categories to nix that issue entirely, and if another editor decides a Windows category should be created because of the MS-DOS category (which I'm not saying I would necessarily agree with), I would much prefer that to a Windows ''article'' being created because an editor like pwwnd (I know, bad example) thinks the MS-DOS article warrants its creation (due to Mario Teaches Typing 2 being released on Windows). While I think it is important that the games on MS-DOS were later ported to actual Nintendo consoles, ''I don't believe that is relevant to the general information about the MS-DOS on this article''. [[User:RollerC|rollerC]] ([[User talk:RollerC|talk]]) 20:04, 30 July 2018 (EDT)
:No Windows games were given to real Nintendo consoles, ''and'' Windows is a ''series'' of operating systems, not an individual one, like MS-DOS is iirc. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:19, 30 July 2018 (EDT)
::Regardless of Windows ''at all'', does that still make an MS-DOS article with information about the MS-DOS in general (not relating to Mario) ''better'' than a category just about the Mario games released on the MS-DOS? [[User:RollerC|rollerC]] ([[User talk:RollerC|talk]]) 20:29, 30 July 2018 (EDT)

Doc von Schmeltwick: Yes, but this information on how games are later ported to Nintendo console doesn't really relate to the operating system itself and doesn't justify the article, in my opinion. Mario isn't conjoined to MS-DOS as he is to the Nintendo systems. The only reason this article is created is to just serve as a grouping of games on this platform and some random information literally on top. That's what a category/navigational template is for. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:45, 30 July 2018 (EDT)

For clarity's sake and for full disclosure, I've removed any mention of Windows in the proposal. My proposal was originally intended to only apply to the MS-DOS and the information listed on it, and I made a mistake by bringing up Windows. Consider any mention of Windows on my forum post to be moot as well. [[User:RollerC|rollerC]] ([[User talk:RollerC|talk]]) 21:01, 30 July 2018 (EDT)
@@ Line 5: / Line 5: @@
 ==Article to category proposal==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|5-1|change into a category}}
 ===Turn this article into a category===
 Essentially, the Games section would become: "List of Mario games released for the MS-DOS".
@@ Line 15: / Line 14: @@
 ===Support===
 #{{User|rollerC}} As discussed before in both the Discord and the above talk section, this article is incredibly off-topic to the subject of Mario, and the only relevant information is the list of Mario games released for the MS-DOS. {{User|Bazooka Mario}} makes a good point that the information in the article would be ''much'' better served in a category page, rather than include the unnecessary clutter that is the information on the MS-DOS, which most users visiting the website are probably not looking for anyway.
-#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} This article is oddly specific about a tangentially related subject. Even if we were to keep it, we should trim it and add information relevant to Nintendo's history perhaps (like in the other third party console [[Philips CD-i]]). But ultimately, given that this article is mainly just there to group related games together, I support just turning it into a category and fitting any relevant and useful MS-DOS information into a sentence or two in the article page.
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
-#{{User|YoshiEgg1990}} Per Bazooka Mario.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
 ===Oppose===
-#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} The fact that games on this system were later ported or remade to actual Nintendo consoles, unlike with Windows (which is in fact a ''series'' of operating systems), I find to warrant its keeping.
+#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} The fact that games on this system were later ported or remade to actual Nintendo consoles, unlike with Windows, I find to warrant its keeping.
 ===Comments===