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| I recently added to the '''abilities''' section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. [[User:BoomOfThe4thWall]] | | I recently added to the '''abilities''' section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. [[User:BoomOfThe4thWall]] |
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| ==Vote for the Main Quote== | | ==Vote for the Main Quote== |
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|3-1-1|change to option 1}} | | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|3-1-1|change to option 1}} |
| As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. [[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] | | As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. [[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] |
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| ==Merge [[Casanova Koopa]] with [[Luigi]]== | | ==Merge [[Casanova Koopa]] with [[Luigi]]== |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{SettledTPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|6-1|merge}} | | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|6-1|merge}} |
| This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. | | This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. |
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| == Split a SMG Luigi into a new article == | | == Split a SMG Luigi into a new article == |
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| {{Proposal outcome|failed|0-5-14|split neither}} | | {{ProposalOutcome|failed|0-5-14|split neither}} |
| This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in ''Super Mario Galaxy'', and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page, {{fake link|Luigi (Super Mario Galaxy)}}, kinda like the [[Pink Donkey Kong Jr.]] article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however. | | This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in ''Super Mario Galaxy'', and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page, {{fake link|Luigi (Super Mario Galaxy)}}, kinda like the [[Pink Donkey Kong Jr.]] article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however. |
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| == This is probably just a joke but... == | | == This is probably just a joke but... == |
| In this issue of Nintendo Power it says Luigi was "too busy tinkering on his kart" to appear in Mario 64. It's probably just a joke but maybe we could add it? https://preview.redd.it/bqlpxw2ju0e51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=aa3efabe7f89e5498806cec483189fe7827e0e28 [[User:I'manumber1|I'manumber1]] ([[User talk:I'manumber1|talk]]) 15:42, February 9, 2022 (EST) | | In this issue of Nintendo Power it says Luigi was "too busy tinkering on his kart" to appear in Mario 64. It's probably just a joke but maybe we could add it? https://preview.redd.it/bqlpxw2ju0e51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=aa3efabe7f89e5498806cec483189fe7827e0e28 [[User:I'manumber1|I'manumber1]] ([[User talk:I'manumber1|talk]]) 15:42, February 9, 2022 (EST) |
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| (Golddude64) Wasn’t he in Mario kart 64?
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| :Super Mario 64, not Mario Kart 64. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:52, May 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| == Could someone please add this to the Trivia section about Luigi’s name being the Italian form of Ludwig? Since well there is a Koopaling with the name Ludwig == | | == Could someone please add this to the Trivia section about Luigi’s name being the Italian form of Ludwig? Since well there is a Koopaling with the name Ludwig == |
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| I would be nice to give Luigi a "List of appearences by date" section like his brother. {{unsigned|Wonderman23}} | | I would be nice to give Luigi a "List of appearences by date" section like his brother. |
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| == No Appearances List? == | | == No Appearances List? == |
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| :Then go ahead. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 12:22, March 26, 2024 (EDT) | | :Then go ahead. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 12:22, March 26, 2024 (EDT) |
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| So I tried putting Luigi's artwork from ''[[Super Mario Party Jamboree]]'' in place of his ''[[Mario Party Superstars]]'' artwork, and the image is so big that the article can't even show a quarter of it in one screen. Is there any way I can fix this?
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| Edit: I fixed it by adding "|250px" at the end of the file name.
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| [[User:Its-A-Me-Austin|Its-A-Me-Austin]] ([[User talk:Its-A-Me-Austin|talk]]) 18:27, September 12, 2024 (EDT)
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| ==Split {{fake link|Luigi's Twin}} from [[Luigi]]==
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| {{Proposal outcome|failed|2-3-17|Do not split Luigi's Twin from Luigi}}
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| This split was brought up more than a decade ago in [[Talk:Luigi#Split a SMG Luigi into a new article|this proposal]] but the proposer failed to clarify what he meant and it was misinterpreted by those who opposed it. When playing as [[Luigi]] in ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'', the NPC Luigi that you'd normally rescue when playing as [[Mario]] still shows up and has completely different dialogue when speaking to the playable Luigi. [[Rosalina]] refers to the NPC Luigi as the playable Luigi's "twin". This would mean the inverse would be true as well; The playable Luigi is the NPC Luigi's twin. For those who opposed in the past proposal on this topic, this proposal would <span style="color:red">'''not'''</span> be splitting every appearance of Luigi into different articles, it would <span style="color:red">'''only'''</span> be splitting the Luigi who '''quite literally''' appears in the same room as the playable Luigi. The playable and NPC Luigi have different heights and one is silent and is more brave and courageous whereas the other is more cautious and has a lot to say. Regarding which Luigi to split into the {{fake link|Luigi's Twin}} article, we could split either into the article since there is not confirmation on which is the real Luigi and which is the impostor. However, I would consider the playable Luigi to be the "twin" since the NPC Luigi's actions are much more accurate to Luigi's character and we see Luigi show up in ''[[Super Mario Galaxy 2]]'' as an NPC before said NPC is later unlocked as a playable character.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': October 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Support (Split playable Luigi from "''[[Super Luigi Galaxy]]''" campaign as {{fake link|Luigi's Twin}})===
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| #{{User|Pizza Master}} Per my proposal.
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| #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal.
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| ===Support (Split NPC Luigi as {{fake link|Luigi's Twin}})===
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| #{{User|Pizza Master}} Secondary choice.
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| #{{User|Camwoodstock}} This makes more sense to us, personally. The idea seems to be that the NPC Luigi is the "Twin", while the Luigi you play as is just Luigi. The memetic pop-up ''does'' say "You can now play as Luigi", after all, not "You can now play as Luigi's Twin" or anything like that. If we have to give this weird phenomenon an article (and to be honest here, we think it has some merit covering this weirdness in its own article), this feels like the simpler--and probably more logical--split to make.
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| #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Secondary choice, per all.
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| ===Oppose===
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| #{{User|Nintendo101}} This proposal misapplies a narrative framing device in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' made by the developers to justify the inclusion of a playable Luigi - a decision made when the game was nearly completed, with the original intent being that the NPC Luigi would be the only Luigi - to suggest one of these Luigis is a discrete character from the other. This is not the case. It is not supported in the game's script or its paratext (guidebook, booklet, interview, encyclopedia, official websites, etc.), and does not consider the fact that there have been multiple iterations of the same character on screen throughout the franchise's history — from ''[[Donkey Kong Jr. (game)|Donkey Kong Jr.]]'' to the [[ScareScraper]] mode in ''[[Luigi's Mansion 3]]''. Both playable and non-playable iterations of Luigi in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' are the same character, and neither should receive a dedicated article from the other.
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| #{{User|Hewer}} From what I can gather, the game treats them both as Luigi and is very vague about the matter, to the point that any split would feel speculative (the whole last sentence of this proposal is pure speculation, which isn't a good sign). It's possible to have more than one of the same character; the logic of "there's two of them so they must be separate characters" (also used for the former "Boom Boom species" split) shouldn't be applied to a franchise like this one that often doesn't bother trying to make narrative sense, hence the "[[MarioWiki:Good writing#Reading between the lines|don't read between the lines]]" rule. Also note that both of the other cases brought up in the original proposal, Boom Boom and Pink Donkey Kong Jr., have since been merged (the latter being especially notable given the "Junior (II)" distinction in the manual, comparable to the "twin" thing).
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| #{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} Per all
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| #{{User|Arend}} This is practically Pink DK Jr. all over again, except that Luigi's twin is colored the same as well. Per all.
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| #{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
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| #{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all.
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| #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all, and especially per what they did to my beloved Pink Donkey Kong Jr.
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| #{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
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| #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Would we even know which one is the "main" Luigi? It's speculative from that especially. (Granted, this makes me want to re-examine the ''Paper Jam'' situation...)
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| #{{User|Shy Guy on Wheels}} Per all. I really don't see this as any different from multiple people being able to play as Luigi in Mario Kart or Smash. The Pink Donkey Kong Jr. comparison is very apt as well.
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| #{{User|Jdtendo}} They are two incarnations of Luigi, and we cannot know for sure which one is the twin. <small>By the way, there is already a page about [[Mario|Luigi's twin]].</small>
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| #{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} See Dr. Mario.
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| #{{User|EvieMaybe}} per Nintendo101 and Hewer <small>by the way, there is already a page about [[Palette swap|pink donkey kong jr.]].</small>
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| #{{User|Mario}} Luigi's twin is me, Mario!!! Per all!!!
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| #{{User|YoYo}} See it like this, if I was playing Mario Kart as Bowser, and I encounter another Bowser, does that suddenly mean we should create a page for both Bowsers? It's the same character it's just two instances of them, arguably "Super Luigi Galaxy" isn't "canon".
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| #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all.
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| Camwoodstock's argument makes sense as a (mostly) non-speculative way to split the two Luigis. Also, the NPC Luigi is actually referred to by something other than simply Luigi ("your twin" by [[Rosalina]]) that would imply that the two characters are different people unlike with "Pink Donkey Kong Jr./Jr (II)" where the Pink one is just implied to be the P2 version of [[DKJR]]. Also, the playable [[Luigi]] races against [[Cosmic Luigi]] and functions almost identically to [[Mario]] whereas the NPC Luigi does their own thing and finds hidden stars that the player can't find. NPC Luigi (or Luigi's twin) in this argument functions more as a mechanic of the game than the actual Luigi and therefore should be documented as a minor mechanic (that is also a character) of ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' akin to the [[Co-Star Luma]] or [[Ally|Allies]] of the [[Mario Party (series)|Mario Party]] series.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 16:53, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Any speculation should ideally be avoided, big or small. And Luigi's roles (and degree of similarity to Mario) vary often between games. Luigi being an NPC side character is hardly unheard of (Super Mario Odyssey, Mario RPG, most Paper Mario games, etc.). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:02, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::At least in our vote's case, we would appreciate a split for the Luigi NPC that happens to also be there if you, yourself, are playing as Luigi; since Rosalina claims it's his twin, and that seems to be about as official explanation as we're about to get. We do admit that this is a comically niche article, but we still think it has more merit than Junior (II), who was quite literally just a palette swap that received zero acknowledgement as being unique outside the manual. In contrast, the "duplicate" NPC Luigi being described as the playable Luigi's twin ''is'' given a direct comment. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 03:25, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::{{@|Camwoodstock}} I personally do not think there should be any split because I think it misrepresents ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' and Luigi's roles in the game. However, if anything, the NPC is the one designed to be the only Luigi in the game and has his traditional proportions. The playable one was a late addition to the title, and has the same model as Mario to make it easier to include. All they did was replace his head with the NPC Luigi's. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| {{@|Camwoodstock|Hewer|FanOfYoshi|Nintendo101|Nightwicked Bowser|Arend|Sdman213|SolemnStormcloud|ThePowerPlayer|Sparks|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Ok, if we don't do this, what about converting the ''[[Super Luigi Galaxy]]'' redirect into an actual article that goes over all the differences in Luigi's "campaign" like visual changes, dialogue changes, text changes, gameplay, and mission changes, etc.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 22:46, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
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| :That would be like treating it as a re-release or DLC which it isn't, it's just playing through the exact same game again with a different character and dialogue and level name changes to accomodate it (mostly just changing "Mario" to "Luigi"). The Cosmic Clones' behavior in the races is the only real difference. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 07:54, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| : Should we split the playable Dr. Mario from Super Smash Bros as a separate character from his regular page then? After all, he's clearly a separate character from Mario. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:48, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::...[[Dr. Mario]] ''is'' its own page. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:53, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| :{{@|Pizza Master}} modes typically do no receive dedicated articles, and I also do not think this one would really benefit from having one. Very little changes when the player takes control of Luigi. It is not a fundamentally different campaign, unlike things like [[Bowser's Fury]] or ''[[New Super Luigi U]]''. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| I see. --{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 19:10, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| == "The secondary protagonist of the Super Mario franchise" ==
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| I agree wholeheartedly that Luigi is the second biggest figure in the franchise, but, not to be a nerd here, I think the better term would be "deuteragonist", as the deuteragonist is the second most important character in a story, and that's basically what Luigi is. That would make "deuteragonist" and "secondary protagonist" the same thing. [[Special:Contributions/98.114.59.56|98.114.59.56]] 17:41, December 13, 2024 (EST)
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| :I believe the terminology has been used before for this article but editors favored "secondary protagonist" due to being less jargony; "deuteragonist" is not a very common term. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:49, December 13, 2024 (EST)
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