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{{award-winner
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|#=28|award=Favorite Mini-Boss ('''Mr. L''')|presenter=Plumber
|#2=11|award2=Favorite Big 8 Character|presenter2=Wayoshi
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{{PAIRreview
|A-rating=2.0
|A-comment=Its not very accurate, for example, the SM2 section state that he woke up, while in fact, it was Mario.
|D-rating=2.0
|D-comment=There isn't a lot of depth. It mostly say "Blablabla Luig defeated Bowser Blablablabla. It also lack information on some of the more obscure game like Hotel Mario or When I grow up
|G-rating=2.0
|G-comment=Can't review that TOO much... But some of the sentense seem weird and there's a lot of time where the article refer directly to the reader.
|I-rating=2.0
|I-comment=This article is cluttered up with them. Why put two near-identical image in the same section?
|F-rating=2.0
|F-comment=There alway at least a template that bug and screw up the page, that may  be just me, thought.
|FR-comment=Overall bad/average article. Far from Fa-worthy.
The article is also full of POV, useles info ("Yoshi have showed to be as good as luig on his two feets" What?) and have some pretty horendous writting (Look at King Boo in the relationshpi section for what I mean). Meh.
|R-comment= The article is also full of POV, useles info ("Yoshi have showed to be as good as luig on his two feets" What?) and have some pretty horendous writting (Look at King Boo in the relationship section for what I mean). Meh.
|signature=[[User:Gofer|Gofer]]}}
 
 
{{PAIRreview
|A-rating=2.5
|A-comment=Horribly inaccurate, agreeing with Gofer-hole above.
|D-rating=1.5
|D-comment=Content-wise, it needs a lot of work. The relationships sections are good enough, but someone should remove a few unworthy relationships like Luigi to Wario, Luigi to DK, or Luigi to Yoshi. They don't really have much of a relationship. A few sections could be merged for the apparent lack of good content. I can understand the lack of content in the platformers series, but as for the M&L series? The sections for Luigi in the ML series could be greatly expanded. Perhaps folllow the writing style given in [[Luigi#The Enigmatic Mr. L|the last section]].
|G-rating=2.5
|G-comment=Many spelling mistake, punctuation errors, etc.. The paragraphs usually only consist of 3 or 2 sentences.
|I-rating=3.0
|I-comment=The images could work, but with the short amount of content, they look more  messy than helpful.
|F-rating=3.5
|F-comment=If you inspect the whole article, you will find a lot of them.
|FR-comment=This article is very far from FA worthy. The main part of it that needs work is the Biography and relationship sections. I hope someone can fix it.
|R-comment=?
|signature=[[User:Knife|Knife]]}}
 
=='Negative' Impact==
=='Negative' Impact==
I recently added to the '''abilities''' section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. [[User:BoomOfThe4thWall]]
I recently added to the '''abilities''' section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. [[User:BoomOfThe4thWall]]
it's just a theory, otherwise the game would mention it somewhere.
{{unsigned|Luigi time!}}


==Age==
==Age==
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Funny how people don't realise that twins can't be born at the exact same time. Of course one is older than the other. It can be by minutes or hours.
Funny how people don't realise that twins can't be born at the exact same time. Of course one is older than the other. It can be by minutes or hours.
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. [[User:BulletBill|BulletBill]] 12:56, 7 November 2011 (EST)
 
In my opinion, I think Nintendo made a mistake when they said they were twins. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>
In my opinion, I think Nintendo made a mistake when they said they were twins. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>


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::In ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga]]'', a character who did not no them referred to them as "middle-aged." {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:17, 1 December 2008 (EST)
::In ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga]]'', a character who did not no them referred to them as "middle-aged." {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:17, 1 December 2008 (EST)


I always thought Mario is 31 and Luigi is 28. So that would mean Mario is older than Luigi by a few years. But Mario just seems older to me for some reason. [[Image:SPP Beta - Lemmy Animation.gif]] [[User:Lemmy Koopa Fan]] [[Image:SPP Beta - Lemmy Animation.gif]]
I always thought Mario is 31 and Luigi is 28. So that would mean Mario is older than Luigi by a few years. But Mario just seems older to me for some reason. [[Image:Lemmy4.gif]] [[User:Lemmy Koopa Fan]] [[Image:Lemmy4.gif]]
 
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. [[User:BulletBill|BulletBill]] 12:57, 7 November 2011 (EST)
 
I always thought that Mario & Luigi were twins, and that Mario was older by 30 minuets. Plus, Super Mario '''BROS''' sounds better than Super Mario '''TWINS''', so they probably are twins and not just bros. Plus they look almost exactly the same. Even though they're bros they wouldn't look THAT closely alike unless they were twins!
 
--{{User:Pichi-Hime6/sig}} 14:44, 7 November 2011 (EST)
:They don't look that much alike. In some games if you look really closely, you'll notice that Luigi's overalls are a slightly darker shade than Mario's, and Luigi wears green and Mario wears red, the each have their own symbol (a red M for Mario and a green L for Luigi), Luigi is slightly taller and thinner and even their mustaches are different. Also, Mario and Luigi don't usually speak like other characters, but Luigi does it a bit more than Mario, as only Luigi would speak English in Super Paper Mario. They also weren't born at the same time. And twins don't have to look alike. Just because Mario and Luigi look alike doesn't mean they're twins![[User:M&amp;L|M&amp;L  Beware my fury!]] 12:49, 30 January 2012 (EST)
 
Well, of course they're gonna wear different outfits! And unless they're IDENTICAL twins, their physical features would always look a little different. How do you know they weren't born at the same time? Plus, doesn't Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games say they're twins? Plus, Luvbi says they're twins in SPM. All the signs point to them being twins, so until Nintendo gives info that says otherwise, I say they're twins. <br>
P.S.: They were carried by the stork at the same time in Yoshi's Island, and their bond was so strong that Baby Mario new where Baby Luigi was when Kamek kidnapped Baby Luigi.
 
--{{User:Pichi-Hime6/sig}} 20:32, 30 January 2012 (EST)
 
I'm agree that he is [[Mario]]'s Twin Brother. Talk less, read more. You better read the wiki page carefully before asking. [[Special:Contributions/180.254.179.58|180.254.179.58]] 23:42, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
:You do realize you're responding to a 2 year old message, right? {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:44, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
::Okay, i am gonna forget about this. I only want to say that they should see the wiki page carefully. [[Special:Contributions/180.254.179.58|180.254.179.58]] 23:50, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
 
"Yeah it's likely that Luigi is just Mario's younger twin! I'm a younger twin by two minutes...But many years older Mario fandom wise!" -Luigidude17, twin brother of Luigigirl17(not a real user, just my sister's nickname.)
 
SMB Wonder is another canonical (in-game text!) mention of his "twin but younger twin" status.  Could this go in the article’s Age section? [[User:Pichugetic|Pichugetic]] ([[User talk:Pichugetic|talk]]) 18:33, March 21, 2024 (EDT)


==Images==
==Images==
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I reckon I'm-a Luigi umber one! is better[[Image:MP8 DryBones.png|50px]]'''[[User:Super Yoshi10|<span style="font-Family:font; color:Black;">Super </span>]]''' '''[[User talk:Super Yoshi10|<span style="font-Family:font; color:Green;">Yoshi10</span>]]'''[[Image:YoshiMP8art.png|20px]][http://yoshilegacy.co.nr/| Lookey This][[Image:Black Yoshi Move.gif|30px]]
I reckon I'm-a Luigi umber one! is better[[Image:MP8 DryBones.png|50px]]'''[[User:Super Yoshi10|<span style="font-Family:font; color:Black;">Super </span>]]''' '''[[User talk:Super Yoshi10|<span style="font-Family:font; color:Green;">Yoshi10</span>]]'''[[Image:YoshiMP8art.png|20px]][http://yoshilegacy.co.nr/| Lookey This][[Image:Black Yoshi Move.gif|30px]]


:I disagree because it's more of a...well, it's a quote from an unpopular game and people just like it because they use it in a lot of Youtube Poop. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
:I disagree because it's more of a...well, it's a quote from an unpopular game and people just like it because they use it in a lot of Youtube Poop. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif


Oh, I don't know, all I know is Luigi is so not respected enough.
Oh, I don't know, all I know is Luigi is so not respected enough.
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Wanting lotsa spaghetti reflects well on Luigi's personality better. --[[User:Koopapoopa|Koopapoopa]] 00:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Wanting lotsa spaghetti reflects well on Luigi's personality better. --[[User:Koopapoopa|Koopapoopa]] 00:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
And plus, The famous "Mama Luigi" quote is used on the article, too. YTP or not, it's still a "famous" quote.
Maybe it should be mentioned. [[User:Moshata|Moshata]] 18:38, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
I think that the quotes should mention how Luigi often speaks in Italian in the Mario & Luigi series- RPG Gamer.


==Relationships==
==Relationships==
I've removed Donkey Kong and added E. Gadd instead, I know there's more to it, but can someone add to it? {{unsigned|Gamerlad2}}
I've removed Donkey Kong and added E. Gadd instead, I know there's more to it, but can someone add to it?
 
I edited the relationship between him and King Boo a bit I will see what I can find more on E Gadd. {{unsigned|Gamerlad2}}


==Add some stuff about Luigi's "element!"==
==Add some stuff about Luigi's "element!"==
On Wikipeda, they mention Luigi's thunder-hand from M&L:SS and how his symbol in Strikers was a thunder-bolt. Add this in! (Without taking the exact text of course)
On Wikipeda, they mention Luigi's thunder-hand from M&L:SS and how his symbol in Strikers was a thunder-bolt. Add this in! (Without taking the exact text of course)
[[User: Klaus Kratchet|Klaus Kratchet]]
[[User: Klaus Kratchet|Klaus Kratchet]]
In Mario Super Sluggers, Luigi has tornado when pitching/batting. This could mean he has air powers.


==Vote for the Main Quote==
==Vote for the Main Quote==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|3-1-1|change to option 1}}
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. [[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]]  
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. [[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]]  


'''Option 1'''
'''Option 1'''


{{quote|I'm-a Luigi, number one!|Luigi|[[Mario Kart 64]]}}
{{LLQuote|I'm-a Luigi, number one!|Luigi|[[Mario Kart 64]]}}


'''Option 2'''
'''Option 2'''
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====Option 3====
====Option 3====
I think this option should be because:
1.)mario could just change Luigi to mario
and
2.)Mario could have easily said te same thing. in fact, both of them could have said it-Chandud
== vote for the Main quote ==
I think that "I'm my bro's bro" from super paper mario is a better one, because it shows luigi's personality, in every game i've played luigi calls mario "bro". option one is from mario kart and crossovers, option two sounds more like mario then luigi, and option 3 only applies to one episode of super mario world.
{{unsigned|Luigi time!}}


==Super Mario Galaxy==
==Super Mario Galaxy==
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:Yeah, it's quite obviously a fake. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, it's quite obviously a fake. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)


It is if you look closely the bold line looks thin. And his overalls are light blue! (Aren't they suppose to be jean coloured) [[File:LuigiPM2.PNG]] [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 20:59, 15 February 2008 (EST) (And his ear is all mess up.)
It is if you look closely the bold line looks thin. And his overalls are light blue! (Aren't they suppose to be jean coloured) [[Image:PM2_Luigi.PNG]] [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 20:59, 15 February 2008 (EST) (And his ear is all mess up.)


==Luigi's Final Smash==
==Luigi's Final Smash==
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Where does he get that smash from anyway?  {{unsigned}}
Where does he get that smash from anyway?  {{unsigned}}
apparently it's because of his dislike from being in his bro's shadow.
{{unsigned|Luigi time!}}


==Early artwork==
==Early artwork==
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::You're right. The aticle would mention in the first few sentences that it was really Luigi, but it's pretty obvious. (Actually, when I saw Mr. L, I wasn't sure if it was Luigi after being hypnotized, or some sort of clone or evil twin of Luigi.) But that doesn't really matter, there's a ton of spoilers on the wiki and not much to do about it. But a Mr. L article sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone want to make it? Pseudo-dino first mentioned it, does he want to make it? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
::You're right. The aticle would mention in the first few sentences that it was really Luigi, but it's pretty obvious. (Actually, when I saw Mr. L, I wasn't sure if it was Luigi after being hypnotized, or some sort of clone or evil twin of Luigi.) But that doesn't really matter, there's a ton of spoilers on the wiki and not much to do about it. But a Mr. L article sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone want to make it? Pseudo-dino first mentioned it, does he want to make it? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}


:::A Mr. L article would definatly work. His millions of appearances throughout the game, information about his HP and battle technices ([[Shroom Shake]]!), a quote of his, how Luigi turned into Mr. L after he tried to escape, how he joined Bleck, how he got turned back into Luigi after bieng "killed", how they later found out who he really was and his mention in Brawl. Sounds article worthy. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
:::A Mr. L article would definatly work. His millions of appearances throughout the game, information about his HP and battle technices ([[Shroom Shake]]!), a quote of his, how Luigi turned into Mr. L after he tried to escape, how he joined Bleck, how he got turned back into Luigi after bieng "killed", how they later found out who he really was and his mention in Brawl. Sounds article worthy. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif


==Out of Order Pictures==
==Out of Order Pictures==
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::Yeah, I'd rather scan it, considering it's part of a poster that I already took out of the magazine. If I was lucky, it'd only take a couple minutes to find, but if not... It could take well over an hour. :O {{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}
::Yeah, I'd rather scan it, considering it's part of a poster that I already took out of the magazine. If I was lucky, it'd only take a couple minutes to find, but if not... It could take well over an hour. :O {{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}
:::Oh, I know that feeling.  Good luck and may both of us one day find enough space for all of our stuff so that it is organized. :P {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
:::Oh, I know that feeling.  Good luck and may both of us one day find enough space for all of our stuff so that it is organized. :P {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
I always thought  Luigi Mario was his real name, and that's why they're called the'''Mario bros.'''.


==Interactions with other characters==
==Interactions with other characters==
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In [[Mario Superstar Baseball]], Luigi shares bad chemistry with not just King Boo, but also with Boo.  Where as Mario doesn't share bad chemistry with Koopas or Goombas.  {{User:White Knight/sig}}
In [[Mario Superstar Baseball]], Luigi shares bad chemistry with not just King Boo, but also with Boo.  Where as Mario doesn't share bad chemistry with Koopas or Goombas.  {{User:White Knight/sig}}
:The chemistry does not determine all relationships. (Goomba with a good chemsitry with Diddy Kong??) Anyway, I just noticed... Daisy has a bad chemistry with Waluigi. Does this support the Daisy-Luigi relationship, perhaps? o_0 {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}
:The chemistry does not determine all relationships. (Goomba with a good chemsitry with Diddy Kong??) Anyway, I just noticed... Daisy has a bad chemistry with Waluigi. Does this support the Daisy-Luigi relationship, perhaps? o_0 {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}
::I certainly think so. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 13:15, December 19, 2022 (CST)


Possibly...
Possibly...
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King Boo is basically the guy that hates Weege the most, kind of like goomboss/bowser and Mario. King Boo captured Weege in Mario 64 DS, and Goomboss captured mario. I think maybe an interaction with ghosts in general and a subheading with King Boo.--[[User:Koopapoopa|Koopapoopa]] 00:50, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
King Boo is basically the guy that hates Weege the most, kind of like goomboss/bowser and Mario. King Boo captured Weege in Mario 64 DS, and Goomboss captured mario. I think maybe an interaction with ghosts in general and a subheading with King Boo.--[[User:Koopapoopa|Koopapoopa]] 00:50, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
the thing in mario superstar baseball is because luigi is scared of ghosts and mario isn't scared of koopas or goombas (or anything =P). and koopapoopa, it's spelled "weegee". {{unsigned|Luigi time!}}
The one with Wario and Rosalina are both a bit pointless (mainly the Wario one) since he's more of a rival with Waluigi, and he really and truly only doesn't really interact with Rosalina apart from when you can play as him and his ending photo. [[User:AzelfandQuilava|<span style="color:cyan">AzelfandQuilava</span>]] 17:39, 12 October 2012 (EDT)


==?==
==?==
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:That's kinda minor information, since I only noticed a tiny difference if I looked really closely and made sure that they use different colors. And it's only in a few games as well. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
:That's kinda minor information, since I only noticed a tiny difference if I looked really closely and made sure that they use different colors. And it's only in a few games as well. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
::Yes, but Roy Campbell said: "Look at that pale skin!"...--[[User:Green Thunder|Green Thunder]] 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
I agree with BabyLuigiOnFire, I only noticed when I heard the codec, and it was very hard to see. [[User:Luigi time!|L-ater!]]


== Meaning ==
== Meaning ==
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::Ah, one of those "meaning of names" sites. I'm pretty sure it was true, because that's what it said on other sites too. (Wow, I have such weird hobbies...) [[User:Lemmy Koopa Fan|Lemmy Koopa Fan]] 17:12, 9 March 2010 (EST)
::Ah, one of those "meaning of names" sites. I'm pretty sure it was true, because that's what it said on other sites too. (Wow, I have such weird hobbies...) [[User:Lemmy Koopa Fan|Lemmy Koopa Fan]] 17:12, 9 March 2010 (EST)
...The meaning of "Luigi" is "Glorious in battle" (according to the Junior Woodchucks' manual... =P)...--[[User:Green Thunder|Green Thunder]] 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)


== Luigi in Brawl ==
== Luigi in Brawl ==
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I just mean basic information about him, such as the fact that it's from the DOS version and that his sprite is infamous for its staring, stuff like that. --[[User:Koopapoopa|Koopapoopa]] 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
I just mean basic information about him, such as the fact that it's from the DOS version and that his sprite is infamous for its staring, stuff like that. --[[User:Koopapoopa|Koopapoopa]] 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yes, and let's put it in the trivia section. --[[User:JXZ|Click to enter my domain!]] 21:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


==information actually about Luigi==
==information actually about Luigi==
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I have SMA4. Only reason I edited that Luigi controls differently is because [[User:Reversinator|another editor]] said so and I'm sorta more Sonic-ish than Mario-ish... but I've seen some videos on Youtube and in the original SMB3, Luigi didn't seem to slip or slide any more than Mario did, and I'm pretty sure jump height is the same. I'll try to get it for the Virtual Console and see if I spot any differences. Sorry if I began (or continued...) any confusion. --[[User:SuperSonicRider|SuperSonicRider]] 22:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
I have SMA4. Only reason I edited that Luigi controls differently is because [[User:Reversinator|another editor]] said so and I'm sorta more Sonic-ish than Mario-ish... but I've seen some videos on Youtube and in the original SMB3, Luigi didn't seem to slip or slide any more than Mario did, and I'm pretty sure jump height is the same. I'll try to get it for the Virtual Console and see if I spot any differences. Sorry if I began (or continued...) any confusion. --[[User:SuperSonicRider|SuperSonicRider]] 22:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
==2 Sections==
How come there are 2 sections named "''Super Mario World''"? I think one of them has to be renamed. {{User:Ultramariologan/sig}}
:There are two sections because there are two things named 'Super Mario World". The sub-sections of History that they are listed under make it pretty clear which one's which: the one in the "''Super Mario'' series" section is about the game ''[[Super Mario World]]'' and the other one, in the "DIC cartoons" section, is about the cartoon ''[[Super Mario World (television series)|Super Mario World]]''. It doesn't disrupt wiki navigation either (if you want to link straight to the second one, type [[Luigi#Super_Mario_World_2]], while [[Luigi#Super_Mario_World]] goes to the first; the TOC works fine as well). It's not a problem and no renaming is necessary. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:12, 15 January 2011 (EST)
==Merge [[Casanova Koopa]] with [[Luigi]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|6-1|merge}}
This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi.
'''Proposer''':{{User|Tails777}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT
====Support====
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Yeah, why was that removed, anyways, per proposal. Zero signing out.
#{{User|Marioguy1}} - Casanova Koopa is not notable enough to get its own article when there is an alternative way to do this.
#{{User|Supremo78}} If Casanova Koopa is a form of Luigi that was used, it should be included in his article, just like Mr. L is included in Luigi's article.
#{{User|SWFlash}} Per Marioguy.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all. We [[Talk:Leo_Luster|merged Leo Luster]], so we should merge this too.
#{{User|Pokémon Trainer Mario}} - Per all. It's a stub that someone forgot to stub.
====Oppose====
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Leo Luster was just whichever Kong who's name escapes me in a costume. If I'm not mistaken, Casanova Koopa is Luigi in a magical transformation.
====Comments====
I put it in the wrong place. {{User|Tails777}}
:Where's the Cassanova Koopa article? I can't find it ._. {{User|Marioguy1}}
::I am Zero! I also tried to look for [[Casanova Koopa]].... Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
:::I might have mispelled the word. I have bad spelling. Sorry. And if Casanova Koopa and Luigi are different, why isn't there a page for Kootie Pie's human form?{{User|Tails777}}
I am Zero! @AnimalCrossingCool Please specify that a little more or else the vote is invalid. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
[[Robo Koopa]]. It's a featured article, and an alter-ego. If we have that article, why can't we have this one? And for an example with Luigi, [[Mr. L]]. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:It's probably going by the logic that merged [[Talk:Leo_Luster|Leo Luster]] with Bluster Kong. I personally would love to see all those personae merged into [[King Koopa's alter egos]] (but maybe give the chart a "summary" section to briefly describe each alter-ego and its role in the corresponding episode). Most of them don't have articles yet anyway, and I feel that lengthy summaries like on [[Robo Koopa]] are a bit unnecessary: people can just read the episode summaries. Video game alter-egos have a bit more to stand on, seeing as their summaries aren't just rehashing a single game's summary, in most cases, but I'd be fine with merging things like [[Dark Fawful]], [[Bowletta]], [[Shrowser]] and possibly even [[Mr. L]], although given the fact that "Mr. L" played such an important role in ''SPM'', I'd also be fine with that article staying. Same deal with [[Dr. Mario]]: he's not a one-hit wonder, and not giving him his own page would look like an omission on our part. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 10:40, 4 February 2011 (EST)
::In my opinion, Robo Koopa should be merged as it is not notable enough to warrant its own article. But Bowletta, Dark Fawful (don't know who Shrowser is) and Mr. L are all main villains of a game. Robo Koopa appeared as the villain during one episode of a TV show. Bowletta, Dark Fawful, etc. are the main villains of their own games. They should remain split (IMO). {{User|Marioguy1}}
:::Slitghly off topic, but King Koopa has quite a few pages on his alter-egos. We even listed them: [[King Koopa's alter egos]]. Since this will pass, should we delete/merge these alter-egos? {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
I am Zero! @Bowser'sLuma What difference does that make? They're both just changing their look. Your vote in invalid. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
== Parent category ==
Luigi is listed under the [[:Category:Parents|Parents category]]. Did I miss or just forget about something? --[[User:Dus T.|Dus T.]] 16:14, 29 November 2011 (EST)
:I believe the category is for maternal or paternal relationships, not just biological parenthood, so that's probably it. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
::In the super mario world tv show he was Yoshis adopted Mama/father {{User|Raven Effect}}
Luigi isn't really a parent because he isn't married and Yoshi calls him "mama Lugi" because Luigi found him[[User:World 6|World 6]] ([[User talk:World 6|talk]]) 05:04, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
== Quote ==
I think we should change the current quote with a different one. My personal suggestion is "I'm my bro's bro!". If anyone either supports or opposes this, or has a different suggestion, please comment below.{{User:M&L[[User:M&amp;L|M&amp;L Baby_mario.gif]] 22:27, 16 January 2012 (EST)}}
* "And that's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!"
* "I hope she makes us lotsa spaghetti!"
* "Lucky I found a '''magic balloon!''''"
Nope...they probably won't work. [[User:YL|&#123;&#123;subst:nosubst&#124;User:YL/sig&#125;&#125;]] 06:53, 20 April 2012 (EDT)
== Artwork ==
Perhaps [http://www.mariowiki.com/File:LuigiNSMB2.png] this one? And it doesn't matter that he is holding coins because we used Wario's MP8 artwork for awhile which had him holding coins.
<br>Plus, it would go with Mario's well.<br>
{{User:YoshiCookie/sig}}
== Split a SMG Luigi into a new article ==
{{settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|0-5-14|split neither}}
This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in ''Super Mario Galaxy'', and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page, {{fake link|Luigi (Super Mario Galaxy)}}, kinda like the [[Pink Donkey Kong Jr.]] article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however.
'''Proposer''': {{User|1337star}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT.
===Split the playable Luigi===
===Split the NPC Luigi===
#{{User|Walkazo}} - They look different (not as different than Pink DKJr., but it's better than nothing), talk to each other, and Rosalina calls the extra one Luigi's "twin". Yeah, the game doesn't really get into it much beyond that, but like we always say, there's nothing wrong with a short article if there's not much info to go on. Speculating about the how and why of the Luigi twin would be wrong, but we don't ''have'' to do that to get an article out of the subject. Plus, as we've seen with the recent pushes for level articles and whatnot, it's good to have lots of articles - as long as they're about worthwhile subjects, and this little quirk seems worthy to me (and maybe other people think it's interesting too, and try to look up info about it on Google). Regarding some of the opposition (not including the votes that don't know what the TPP is even about), like I said on the Boom Boom talk page, comparing ''SSB'' game mechanics to the ''Super Mario'' series is apples and oranges: it doesn't matter what your in-universe beliefs are, this matter simply isn't anything like the duplicate fighters of ''SSB''. This also doesn't mean something must be done about the extra Mario in ''DKJr.'', because again, it's not the same situation: ''SMG'' treats the extra Luigi as an extra Luigi, but to my knowledge, ''DKJr.'' doesn't treat the other Mario as... anything, really, so even asserting that it ''is'' meant to be a second Mario ''would'' be speculation - unlike the extra Luigi, there isn't really ''anything'' that could be cobbled together into a factual article, AFAIK: no dialogue, no difference in appearance, no lampshade-hanging, no nothing. But this? This ''has'' stuff to go on, and we should, y'know, go on it.
#{{User|Pokémon Trainer Red}} Per Walkazo
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|Tails777}} Per Walkazo
#{{User|Aokage}} Per Walkazo.
===Split neither (a.k.a. do nothing)===
#{{User|Brock}} Oppose: there is no reason to split a single character by game. He is still the same character. If you must, you can create a paragraph referring to said character on his character page referring to any differences in personality/characterization/etc on his page. Anything specific to the games belongs in the games articles themselves, not on a separate character page. ~Brock.
#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} No what's next splitting paper mario because he looks different, splitting the Mario in DKJR because there are two of them, splitting Luigi in Wrecking Crew because he's purple, creating a Mario (species) page again because there's multiple Mario's in smash bros. I guess what i'm saying is that I oppose because Nintendo gives no confirmation that they are different characters.
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} &mdash; They are still the same character. Luigi is an NPC in many, many games. Does that mean that every time he is an NPC, the page should be split? No, it doesn't. Just as long as we have it confirmed that it's Luigi, which we in fact have in this case, it should stay on the same page.
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per all
#{{User|Smasher}} - Per all.
#{{User|Sunscreen}} - Per all.
#{{User|World10}} Per all.
#{{User|1337star}} Whatever, I don't care anymore. I still feel that they are separate characters, and the game itself says this, but this proposal obviously won't go anywhere. Per all, I guess.
#{{User|Zero777}} Oppose, and not for any of the above reasons, which I believe are wrong, except for one. I believe splitting it up will make the SMG Luigi article very unprofessional, with little info on it besides cosmetic differences; it's not article-worthy is basically what I am saying. This kind of information belongs in a small explanation on Luigi's article and/or the SMG article.
#{{User|BowserJunior}} Per all.
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} Per all
#{{user|NewSMBU}} Are you sure the two Luigis are '''so''' different because they talk to each other and Rosalina calls the clone Luigi's ''twin'', so they must be split?
#{{User|MegaKoopa}} They're almost the same one...
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} Per all.
===Comments===
To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!) people opposing: how do you account for the fact that dialogue supports that the two Luigis are different people? Or that the two Luigis look different? -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 14:38, 1 January 2013 (EST)
:Well, 1337star, how do you define that they look different? Doesn't the Luigi from ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'' look different from the Luigi found in ''[[Paper Mario]]'', for example? Should they then be split into different articles, as well? {{User:RandomYoshi/sig}} 14:48, 1 January 2013 (EST)
::But those Luigis aren't in the same game at the same time. These are. And, to stem off the ''Super Smash Bros.'' argument, those aren't the actual characters, but toys (the first game) or trophies (''Melee'' and ''Brawl''), rather than real, flesh-and-blood people. -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 14:56, 1 January 2013 (EST)
:::To my understanding, you think that splitting this article because something you, '''a fan''', saw that is not confirmed by any official source ever from Nintendo, '''where this Wiki takes all of its information from''' and considers canotial information. There is no policy backing up your claims here. We cannot conclude that they are different characters until Nintendo has confirmed the opposite, so for now we'll let this article be. {{User:RandomYoshi/sig}} 15:01, 1 January 2013 (EST)
No 1337 you are wrong according to the wiki Smash Bros. is canon therefore those are in fact Luigi's that you are fighting. {{User|Marshal Dan Troop}}
:I didn't say ''Super Smash Bros.'' isn't canon. I said that the Luigi (and other characters) in that game aren't the same as in the main ''Mario'' series, by the simple fact that he's a toy/trophy and not a real human being (and no, I don't think the ''Smash Bros.'' info should be split. Trophy!Luigi and real!Luigi don't appear in the same game.) I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere on the Dojo that says something to this effect, though I don't feel like looking due to this not being all that relevant here. -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
The thing is, the game doesn't offer any reason why there are two Luigis there at all, so there's not really anything we can say to claim anything other than there's a Luigi in exactly the same place and situations the Luigi in Mario's SMG storyline is, which is what we already do. It's almost impossible to claim anything else about the two Luigis without falling into speculation simply because of how lightly the game treats the subject, and that's really all there is to it. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
:I personally don't see how this situation is different than Donkey Kong Jr./Pink Donkey Kong Jr., but whatever. Consensus is obviously against this, so I'm unofficially withdrawing it (can't officially withdraw it because there's too many votes). -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
I think most of the people didn't understand the proposal. In Super Mario Galaxy, we can see two different Luigi at the same time. They even talk to each other. They look a bit different. The proposal is not "Well, in SMG Luigi is a bit different so we should split" but "Well, in SMG there are two Luigis different, so we should split". {{User:Banon/sig}} 15:52, 1 January 2013 (EST)
1337star, you could just delete this or ask an admin to, since you're even voting against your own proposal. [[User:Aokage|Aokage]] ([[User talk:Aokage|talk]]) 16:29, 1 January 2013 (EST)
"''To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!)''"
Looking at the voters, what probably happened is that someone on the chat dropped a link here based on the title and the usual suspects voted en masse without actually bothering to read the description. Business as usual.
Anyway, I'll just echo what Bop1996 said, I don't feel a split is necessary as what you can essentialy say about the 2nd Luigi is "There's a 2nd Luigi in some missions in Super Mario Galaxy. He has slightly different textures and the game treat him as a separate character". Nothing that isn't already stated with enough depth in the SMG section of this article, imo. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 16:37, 1 January 2013 (EST)
'''An admin should remove most the oppose votes'''. They clearly didn't understand this proposal. [[User:Aokage|Aokage]] ([[User talk:Aokage|talk]]) 14:48, 4 January 2013 (EST)
:Or how about we still disagree with Walkazo. Just because we have a different opinion on this doesn't mean we should go on the same side as you. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
:::People didn't read the proposal and thought this was about splitting the galaxy Luigi because he's NPC or something (see Brock and RandomYoshi; others just went "Per all"). No. This about splitting the other Luigi because there's TWO LUIGIS. They should atleast read the proposal and clarify their opinion. [[User:Aokage|Aokage]] ([[User talk:Aokage|talk]]) 14:10, 5 January 2013 (EST)
::::Even so, I still believe the article is fine the way it is {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}} 16:52, 6 January 2013 (EST)
== Luigi's Mansion ==
Hey I have a question. Is Luigi's Mansion considered a series? [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 00:05, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
More of a sequel.
--[[File:Alien_Bunny_Sprite.png|35px]][[User:L151|<font color=purple><big>'''L'''</big></font color>]][[User Talk:L151|<font color=pink><big>'''151'''</big></font color>]][[File:Onnanoko_transparent_WC98.png|25px]] 00:10, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
::A sequel to what, exactly? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 13:19, December 19, 2022 (CST)
== Year of Luigi ==
Should there be a separate page for '''Year of Luigi'''? The page could keep track of all the games released for Luigi and info about year of luigi. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 17:43, 17 April 2013 (EDT)
:Year of the Luigi sounds as an informal name Nintendo conceived. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:07, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
== New picture for info box ==
I personally think we should change it to the artwork for ''Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon''. First of all it's Luigi's most recent new artwork and second it's from a game where Luigi is the main star. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
:I think we should let it stay, since the art style for ''Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon'' depicts Luigi as a clay model or something, and I don't think other Luigi artwork will adopt that texture.
:{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 21:38, 24 April 2013 (EDT)
== Typo in Luigi's description ==
In the last paragraph of "Creation and Development", it states that the Year of Luigi is celebrating his '''thirteenth''' anniversary. It should actually say thirtieth.
With this typo, it seems as if Luigi was created in 2000 instead of 1983. That's a little funny, actually...
--[[Special:Contributions/108.74.227.102|108.74.227.102]] 20:30, 29 July 2013 (EDT) Connor the Pegasus
:Thanks {{User:Mario7/Sig}} 20:33, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
== ''Parents''? ==
Luigi has the Parents category on his article... Explain to me exactly when Luigi was shown to have children? --{{User:SuperYoshiBros/sig}} 21:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
:"Thats Mama Luigi to you" Taken out of contex I'd expect.----- {{unsigned|75.19.157.227}}
== Trivia on the recent Q&A with Luigi ==
Should we add trivia about questioned answered during the recent Q&A with Luigi where Luigi answered questions in real time?
Some of those answers pretty interesting like the fact that hes kept of every coin he's collected over his adventures (782,942,872,943)
and others are about his relations with daisy and how he thinks Pikachu is a cute pokemon. Since the person answering for luigi was the voice actor I'm pretty sure we can't accept things as cannon but that doesn't mean we can't have it in the trivia section.--[[Special:Contributions/75.19.157.227|75.19.157.227]] 01:19, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
:Link to this? {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 02:16, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfC9_AgDnQ  --[[Special:Contributions/75.20.190.208|75.20.190.208]] 13:52, 28 October 2013 (EDT)
::Oh! This is really cool! Mind if I use this video to add some quotes to the [[List of quotes by Luigi|Luigi quote page]]? I've never seen Luigi talk before, so yes, this will reveal quite some of his personality. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:07, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
== First appearance ==
Shouldn't it be DKjr, not Mario Bros? Granted in DKjr he didn't have his trademark green clothes yet, instead dressing identically to Mario, but who else could it possibly have been helping Mario with the captured Donkey Kong? Then when they made Mario Bros and brought him back they had to make him look different since it was 2 player simultaneous and players had to know who was who, so they changed his coloring, but he definitely had to be the "2nd Mario" in DKjr even if all his trademark characteristics hadn't been ironed out yet (sort of how Mario was called Jumpman in the first DK, but it's still Mario's first appearance).[[Special:Contributions/76.226.130.212|76.226.130.212]] 20:41, 17 January 2014 (EST)
:Unfortunately, we don't have enough evidence to prove that the Mario clone is ''the'' biological clone (aka twin brother Luigi). Nintendo has also asserted ''multiple'' times that ''Mario Bros.'' is Luigi's first appearance as well, from trophy descriptions to Year of the Luigi itself. {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:49, 17 January 2014 (EST)
::Perhaps, if the Mario from DK & DK Jr. is Mario(the plumber)'s father, the other Mario is his father(Mario(the plumber)'s grandfather). {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 1:53, December 9, 2022 (CST)
== Adding E. Gadd to Luigi's friends ==
Should E. Gadd be somewhere in there? I mean in the 2 major games they appear in together, they seem to act as close friends. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
:Well, I don't know, but E. Gadd seems to trust and look up to Luigi. I'd say that it's more of a trusted worker-boss relationship. {{User:Mario/sig}} 00:27, 10 February 2014 (EST)
== "I hope she made us lotsa spaghetti" is a better quote ==
Its a better quote - SamanthaJohnson
From the cartoons - SamanthaJohnson
Please use or respond - SamanthaJohnson
:*It's popular just because it's a cheesy meme.
:*It's not from the cartoons.
:*We won't use it.
:{{User:Mario/sig}} 19:49, 14 April 2014 (EDT)
::It's actually from Hotel Mario, not any of the cartoons. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 13:54, December 9, 2022 (CST)
==Hello==
Hello guys, i don't understand why i can't edit. In the section "Nicknames" say "Luigi is unknown", apparently somebody edited their research original, Luigi is the icon sidekick in Mario franchise... can someone fixed that, because their wiki looks poor and edited by haters, and i think in the wiki's image, Mario and Luigi are the stars, and together are one of the most famous videogames characters. Thanks. Please fix that. [[User:Jola|Jola]] ([[User talk:Jola|talk]]) 22:22, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
== Paper Mario ==
At the end of [[Paper Mario]], when the brothers go to Peach's Castle again, Luigi goes first and say it's top secret. Is that notable? [[Special:Contributions/122.189.240.166|122.189.240.166]] 03:58, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
:He was hiding the fact that he was going to lead the parade. That's not really that notable. - {{User:Ninelevendo/sig}} 04:28, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
== Luigi's Death Stare ==
I heard about Luigi staring at his victims in Mario Kart 8. If you want talk about this, feel free to edit. [[Special:Contributions/180.254.179.58|180.254.179.58]]
:First, nix the font changers. Second, we are NOT going to cover that in Mario Wiki. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:38, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
::Oops! Sorry for the formatting. I just watch a video about this meme in Youtube. [[Special:Contributions/180.254.179.58|180.254.179.58]] 23:45, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
:::Btw, why have we got coverage on "Weegee" but not the Death stare? - {{User:Ninelevendo/sig}} 02:37, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
::::Because "Weegee" is a classic. Still, not too fond of internet memes. Personally, I think the page should stick to Mario games. {{User:Sudowoodo/sig}} 04:31, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
:::::But it is the history of LUIGI! AND, the page also covers non-game appearances. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 13:56, December 9, 2022 (CST)
== Problem ==
There is a white line through the first sentence, is that just my device?  {{User:Cool190/sig}}
: it is. {{user:Cool190/sig}}22:18, 17 June 2015 (EDT)
== Quote ==
I think Luigi deserves a better highlighted quote than the one posted already. What about one of his lines from ''Mario Kart 64''? How about more recent ones such as "Oh yeah, Luigi like-a that!" from ''Mario Party 7'', or even his first line in ''[[Super Maio 3D World]]'' where he ends it with "Go Green"? They sound much better than the quote from Fortune Street and Luigi has famous lines just as good as Mario's ''It's a me, Mario!'' [[User:Marino13|Marino13]] ([[User talk:Marino13|talk]]) 04:26, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
:We're not using this quote because it's "famous". We're using it because it gives some insight into Luigi's character and personality, which is probably what I should have said in the edit summary, but oh well.
:-[[User:Toa 95|Toa 95]] ([[User talk:Toa 95|talk]])
== The Number 2 Guy ==
Is it appropriate to say that Luigi is the deuteragonist of the Mario franchise, since he's considered to be number 2 to the main guy Mario? ([[User talk:Skuchi037|talk]])
::No, but deuterprotagonist is okay. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 13:57, December 9, 2022 (CST)
== Luigi is silent ==
Okay, guys, I am very much convinced that Luigi is overall a silent character just like Mario, and for the most part, he's only a little bit more talkative than Mario. The only games where he really speaks are the ''Mario Galaxy'' games and the first three ''Paper Mario'' games. Other than that, he just speaks like Mario: silent, gibberish, grunts and yells, or not at all. Because of this, he should have a "silent" quote just like Mario does. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 21:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)
:I don't follow that logic.
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 23:14, 14 December 2017 (EST)
::What do you mean, you don't follow that logic? What logic do you follow then? Or better yet, what's wrong with ''my'' logic in the first place? I hope you answer me correctly, or else you run the risk of getting jumbled up with Dimentio again! :)  {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 00:09, 18 December 2017 (EST)
:::lolwut.....anyways, he's silent in games where everyone pantomimes everything, but he's by far the more vocal of the two. Also, you leave out the first ''Luigi's Mansion'', and even then, most games in the series have the main protagonist(s) not say all that much. He also talks in many of the older instruction manuals, especially for ''Super Mario RPG''. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:19, 18 December 2017 (EST)
::::What I don't follow is why we need to have a shallow quote just because Luigi doesn't talk as much as other characters. Barely anyone talks at all in the 2D platformers, but that doesn't affect anything. Toad's quote isn't "Oh no!" The whole point of the quote to give a bit of insight into the character's personality and a shallow, generic-sounding quote doesn't do that.
:::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 00:21, 18 December 2017 (EST)
@Doc von Schmeltwick: Yeah, I know, but that's it. Other than that, he talks just like Mario. It's not that much of a gap at all. And besides, we're only counting games here, not instruction manuals. Yeah, I know, but if the character doesn't talk in the game, then he or she just doesn't talk in that game. And Black Lightning, if that is the case, then why do we have a silent quote for Mario? Is it because he doesn't have a personality at all? That's just bull right there. He does have a personality, it's just very simple and not expanded not very much. I feel like Luigi, although being more human and distinct, is just like Mario for the most part. After all, the Mario Bros ''are'' twins, after all. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 00:30, 18 December 2017 (EST)
::::Because Mario never gets deep dialog outside of supplemental material, which takes a backseat regarding what is the "main" interpretation by creators. Also, twins can (''obviosuly'') have ''extremely'' different personalities, or even amounts thereof. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:35, 18 December 2017 (EST)
:::::I am a twin, an identical twin nonetheless raised in the same house, can speak for myself that my personality is very distinct from my twin, despite also sharing some similarities. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 00:59, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Here's my two cents: You can't say Luigi is 100% silent (we're talking Link silent) if he talks in Paper Mario. One can say whenever you play as Luigi, he qualifies as a silent protagonist, but when you hear about his adventures in The Thousand-Year Door or hear him mumbling about furniture in the original Luigi's Mansion, or all those lines in Fortune Street, I guess, you cannot say Luigi is just one of Nintendo's silent protagonists. - [[User:AwdryFan1997|AwdryFan1997]]([[User talk:AwdryFan1997|Talk]])
== Mario + Rabbids not on here ==
Where is the section for Mario + Rabbids? [[User:Wariopig|Wariopig]] ([[User talk:Wariopig|talk]]) 15:17, 13 January 2018 (EST)Wariopig
== Mario and Luigi  ==
On Mario’s page it mentions that his species is Homo Nintendonus. By this logic Luigi’s page should be altered to reflect their shared species as they are brother who presumably share parents.
Additionally we should change all humans in the Mario and Luigi series to H. Nitendonus (or however it is spelled in the booklet that the Mario page is referencing) as this would better reflect the canon of the Mario Brothers. [[User:Fallennorth|Fallennorth]] ([[User talk:Fallennorth|talk]]) 04:33, November 22, 2019 (EST)
:[[MarioWiki:Canonicity|Yeah, about that whole canon thing...]]
:Besides, such a reference to Mario's 'species' comes from an old character bible used by Nintendo of America specifically; it was written and used for an internal reference in 1993, and nothing has been mentioned of it since then, and I'd imagine there's at least more stuff referring to Mario as human in comparison. It makes little sense to speculate as a result, especially with such a rarely used and outdated source. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 04:40, November 22, 2019 (EST)
::Indeed, that source wasn’t from Nintendo in Japan, and Nintendo of America itself didn’t use its content at all to create bios and the like, ignoring it if it creates inconsistencies would be fine actually.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 06:20, November 22, 2019 (EST)
== Only Appearance ==
The part that says that Hotel Mario was Luigi's only appearance on the CD-I should be changed because Hotel Mario was the only Mario game to be released for the system. Mario Takes America & Super Mario's Wacky Worlds were both cancelled. [[User:I&#39;manumber1|I&#39;manumber1]] ([[User talk:I&#39;manumber1|talk]]) 17:40, February 6, 2022 (EST)
== This is probably just a joke but... ==
In this issue of Nintendo Power it says Luigi was "too busy tinkering on his kart" to appear in Mario 64. It's probably just a joke but maybe we could add it? https://preview.redd.it/bqlpxw2ju0e51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=aa3efabe7f89e5498806cec483189fe7827e0e28 [[User:I&#39;manumber1|I&#39;manumber1]] ([[User talk:I&#39;manumber1|talk]]) 15:42, February 9, 2022 (EST)
(Golddude64) Wasn’t he in Mario kart 64?
:Super Mario 64, not Mario Kart 64. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:52, May 30, 2024 (EDT)
== Could someone please add this to the Trivia section about Luigi’s name being the Italian form of Ludwig? Since well there is a Koopaling with the name Ludwig ==
It’s true I found this out not to long ago here’s the source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_(name)) I just want someone to add this line (Coincidentally Luigi’s name is the Italian form of the name Ludwig meaning technically speaking Luigi and Ludwig share the same name) I have already added this to Ludwig Von Koopa’s article and I would do the same here but of course I cannot do that myself.  {{User|35.137.237.68}}
:It's just a coincidence as you said, and not notable enough to include on the article. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:26, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
== Grammatical error in [[Luigi#Family_BASIC|Family BASIC]] ==
"While Luigi is not included as one the usable sprites" should be "While Luigi is not included as one '''of''' the usable sprites". [[Special:Contributions/93.115.28.181|93.115.28.181]] 18:41, November 12, 2022 (EST)
:Thank you. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 11:39, May 08, 2023 (CST)
== Appearences by Date ==
I would be nice to give Luigi a "List of appearences by date" section like his brother. {{unsigned|Wonderman23}}
== No Appearances List? ==
Why doesn't [[Luigi]] have an appearances list yet? I mean, [[Mario]], [[Bowser]], [[Princess Peach]], [[Princess Daisy]], [[Wario]], [[Waluigi]], [[Toad]], [[Yoshi]] and [[Birdo]] all have one, why doesn't Luigi?
I say we should start making one! {{User:BeefRocket/sig}}
:Then go ahead. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 12:22, March 26, 2024 (EDT)
== HUGE image... ==
So I tried putting Luigi's artwork from ''[[Super Mario Party Jamboree]]'' in place of his ''[[Mario Party Superstars]]'' artwork, and the image is so big that the article can't even show a quarter of it in one screen. Is there any way I can fix this?
Edit: I fixed it by adding "|250px" at the end of the file name.
[[User:Its-A-Me-Austin|Its-A-Me-Austin]] ([[User talk:Its-A-Me-Austin|talk]]) 18:27, September 12, 2024 (EDT)
==Split {{fake link|Luigi's Twin}} from [[Luigi]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|2-3-17|Do not split Luigi's Twin from Luigi}}
This split was brought up more than a decade ago in [[Talk:Luigi#Split a SMG Luigi into a new article|this proposal]] but the proposer failed to clarify what he meant and it was misinterpreted by those who opposed it. When playing as [[Luigi]] in ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'', the NPC Luigi that you'd normally rescue when playing as [[Mario]] still shows up and has completely different dialogue when speaking to the playable Luigi. [[Rosalina]] refers to the NPC Luigi as the playable Luigi's "twin". This would mean the inverse would be true as well; The playable Luigi is the NPC Luigi's twin. For those who opposed in the past proposal on this topic, this proposal would <span style="color:red">'''not'''</span> be splitting every appearance of Luigi into different articles, it would <span style="color:red">'''only'''</span> be splitting the Luigi who '''quite literally''' appears in the same room as the playable Luigi. The playable and NPC Luigi have different heights and one is silent and is more brave and courageous whereas the other is more cautious and has a lot to say. Regarding which Luigi to split into the {{fake link|Luigi's Twin}} article, we could split either into the article since there is not confirmation on which is the real Luigi and which is the impostor. However, I would consider the playable Luigi to be the "twin" since the NPC Luigi's actions are much more accurate to Luigi's character and we see Luigi show up in ''[[Super Mario Galaxy 2]]'' as an NPC before said NPC is later unlocked as a playable character.
'''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
'''Deadline''': October 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT
===Support (Split playable Luigi from "''[[Super Luigi Galaxy]]''" campaign as {{fake link|Luigi's Twin}})===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal.
===Support (Split NPC Luigi as {{fake link|Luigi's Twin}})===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Secondary choice.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} This makes more sense to us, personally. The idea seems to be that the NPC Luigi is the "Twin", while the Luigi you play as is just Luigi. The memetic pop-up ''does'' say "You can now play as Luigi", after all, not "You can now play as Luigi's Twin" or anything like that. If we have to give this weird phenomenon an article (and to be honest here, we think it has some merit covering this weirdness in its own article), this feels like the simpler--and probably more logical--split to make.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Secondary choice, per all.
===Oppose===
#{{User|Nintendo101}} This proposal misapplies a narrative framing device in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' made by the developers to justify the inclusion of a playable Luigi - a decision made when the game was nearly completed, with the original intent being that the NPC Luigi would be the only Luigi - to suggest one of these Luigis is a discrete character from the other. This is not the case. It is not supported in the game's script or its paratext (guidebook, booklet, interview, encyclopedia, official websites, etc.), and does not consider the fact that there have been multiple iterations of the same character on screen throughout the franchise's history — from ''[[Donkey Kong Jr. (game)|Donkey Kong Jr.]]'' to the [[ScareScraper]] mode in ''[[Luigi's Mansion 3]]''. Both playable and non-playable iterations of Luigi in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' are the same character, and neither should receive a dedicated article from the other.
#{{User|Hewer}} From what I can gather, the game treats them both as Luigi and is very vague about the matter, to the point that any split would feel speculative (the whole last sentence of this proposal is pure speculation, which isn't a good sign). It's possible to have more than one of the same character; the logic of "there's two of them so they must be separate characters" (also used for the former "Boom Boom species" split) shouldn't be applied to a franchise like this one that often doesn't bother trying to make narrative sense, hence the "[[MarioWiki:Good writing#Reading between the lines|don't read between the lines]]" rule. Also note that both of the other cases brought up in the original proposal, Boom Boom and Pink Donkey Kong Jr., have since been merged (the latter being especially notable given the "Junior (II)" distinction in the manual, comparable to the "twin" thing).
#{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} Per all
#{{User|Arend}} This is practically Pink DK Jr. all over again, except that Luigi's twin is colored the same as well. Per all.
#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all, and especially per what they did to my beloved Pink Donkey Kong Jr.
#{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Would we even know which one is the "main" Luigi? It's speculative from that especially. (Granted, this makes me want to re-examine the ''Paper Jam'' situation...)
#{{User|Shy Guy on Wheels}} Per all. I really don't see this as any different from multiple people being able to play as Luigi in Mario Kart or Smash. The Pink Donkey Kong Jr. comparison is very apt as well.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} They are two incarnations of Luigi, and we cannot know for sure which one is the twin. <small>By the way, there is already a page about [[Mario|Luigi's twin]].</small>
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} See Dr. Mario.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} per Nintendo101 and Hewer <small>by the way, there is already a page about [[Palette swap|pink donkey kong jr.]].</small>
#{{User|Mario}} Luigi's twin is me, Mario!!! Per all!!!
#{{User|YoYo}} See it like this, if I was playing Mario Kart as Bowser, and I encounter another Bowser, does that suddenly mean we should create a page for both Bowsers? It's the same character it's just two instances of them, arguably "Super Luigi Galaxy" isn't "canon".
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all.
===Comments===
Camwoodstock's argument makes sense as a (mostly) non-speculative way to split the two Luigis. Also, the NPC Luigi is actually referred to by something other than simply Luigi ("your twin" by [[Rosalina]]) that would imply that the two characters are different people unlike with "Pink Donkey Kong Jr./Jr (II)" where the Pink one is just implied to be the P2 version of [[DKJR]]. Also, the playable [[Luigi]] races against [[Cosmic Luigi]] and functions almost identically to [[Mario]] whereas the NPC Luigi does their own thing and finds hidden stars that the player can't find. NPC Luigi (or Luigi's twin) in this argument functions more as a mechanic of the game than the actual Luigi and therefore should be documented as a minor mechanic (that is also a character) of ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' akin to the [[Co-Star Luma]] or [[Ally|Allies]] of the [[Mario Party (series)|Mario Party]] series.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 16:53, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
:Any speculation should ideally be avoided, big or small. And Luigi's roles (and degree of similarity to Mario) vary often between games. Luigi being an NPC side character is hardly unheard of (Super Mario Odyssey, Mario RPG, most Paper Mario games, etc.). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:02, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
::At least in our vote's case, we would appreciate a split for the Luigi NPC that happens to also be there if you, yourself, are playing as Luigi; since Rosalina claims it's his twin, and that seems to be about as official explanation as we're about to get. We do admit that this is a comically niche article, but we still think it has more merit than Junior (II), who was quite literally just a palette swap that received zero acknowledgement as being unique outside the manual. In contrast, the "duplicate" NPC Luigi being described as the playable Luigi's twin ''is'' given a direct comment. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 03:25, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
:::{{@|Camwoodstock}} I personally do not think there should be any split because I think it misrepresents ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' and Luigi's roles in the game. However, if anything, the NPC is the one designed to be the only Luigi in the game and has his traditional proportions. The playable one was a late addition to the title, and has the same model as Mario to make it easier to include. All they did was replace his head with the NPC Luigi's. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
{{@|Camwoodstock|Hewer|FanOfYoshi|Nintendo101|Nightwicked Bowser|Arend|Sdman213|SolemnStormcloud|ThePowerPlayer|Sparks|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Ok, if we don't do this, what about converting the ''[[Super Luigi Galaxy]]'' redirect into an actual article that goes over all the differences in Luigi's "campaign" like visual changes, dialogue changes, text changes, gameplay, and mission changes, etc.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 22:46, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
:That would be like treating it as a re-release or DLC which it isn't, it's just playing through the exact same game again with a different character and dialogue and level name changes to accomodate it (mostly just changing "Mario" to "Luigi"). The Cosmic Clones' behavior in the races is the only real difference. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 07:54, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
: Should we split the playable Dr. Mario from Super Smash Bros as a separate character from his regular page then? After all, he's clearly a separate character from Mario. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:48, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
::...[[Dr. Mario]] ''is'' its own page. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:53, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
:{{@|Pizza Master}} modes typically do no receive dedicated articles, and I also do not think this one would really benefit from having one. Very little changes when the player takes control of Luigi. It is not a fundamentally different campaign, unlike things like [[Bowser's Fury]] or ''[[New Super Luigi U]]''. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
I see. --{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 19:10, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
== "The secondary protagonist of the Super Mario franchise" ==
I agree wholeheartedly that Luigi is the second biggest figure in the franchise, but, not to be a nerd here, I think the better term would be "deuteragonist", as the deuteragonist is the second most important character in a story, and that's basically what Luigi is. That would make "deuteragonist" and "secondary protagonist" the same thing. [[Special:Contributions/98.114.59.56|98.114.59.56]] 17:41, December 13, 2024 (EST)
:I believe the terminology has been used before for this article but editors favored "secondary protagonist" due to being less jargony; "deuteragonist" is not a very common term. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:49, December 13, 2024 (EST)

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