Editing Talk:List of references on the Internet

==Should this be added==
The very first Homestar Runner cartoon ever made was made on SNES using Mario Paint. The page title for the toon is Super Homestario Bros. (Also, there's TONS for Mario references in H*R than what's listed. ([http://hrwiki.org/index.php/Mario See?] [[User:Ugozima|Ugozima]] 02:26, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

==No Fan Creations?==
I know I'm supposed to be in retirement right now, and I'm not sure if we changed the rules, but I thought we didn't allow any articles on anything fan made. Then how come there's section for Newgrounds and YouTube? I remember deleting those sections back when my computer worked, and no one said anything. How come they're back here again? - {{User:Nerdy Guy/sig|I didn't come out of retirement for no reason}}
:You're right, that content is questionable. I will bring that point up among the admins. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 09:19, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

The question is how we can establish things as notable or not.--{{User:Knife/sig}} 14:20, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
:er... Acuatly my question was if we should remove these section because they are fanmade unofficial works, which aren't allowed. {{User:Nerdy Guy/sig|There's too many sites with fanworks}}

::Isn't pretty much everything here fan-made?--{{User:Knife/sig}} 19:42, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

==Capitilizing==
I remember some time ago a teacher told me all words in a title must be capitalized, exceptt articles and so, we should do that, titles lok better when capitalized--{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 22:31, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

== The Annoying Orange ==

One episode Mario goes into Bowser's Castle,but instead of finding Bowser it's The Annoying Orange, later Mario is hit with a Koopa Shell(Orange calls it Turtle Shell)and a Bullet Bill(Orange calls it Bullet)also at the end it shows Bowser, Toad and Princess Peach(also they talk about Luigi and Toad). In a recent episode Orange say he wanted a poney that can play Wii.Daneboe the creater of The annoying orange made other videos referencing Mario like Rejected Mortal Kombat Fatalities(Thwompality and Mario Kartality).--[[User:Mr. 8-bit|Mr. 8-bit]] 10:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)and in the dark [[Mario]] jumps on mushroom and midget apple was annoyed than [[Mario]] wants to get his [[Frog Suit]]

==Delete==
{{settled TPP}}
{{proposal outcome|failed|8-17|don't delete}}
I say we delete some of the sections of online references because really, look at it, it's mostly just a bunch of fanon, as in non-official organizations and companies, and that is against policy.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Zero777}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 28, 2011 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Per proposal. Zero signing out.
#{{User|SWFlash}} Per Zero.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per him! Take it away!!
#{{User|WigglerWhoopin'Warrior135}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Mpeng}}Citing that stuff is like citing to a Wikipedia page with no references of its own.
#{{User|Mario Fan 123}} For now, take it down. If the references where from Nintendo-made website or famous websites (like IGN or GameStop) maybe we could make it stay. But nothing for now, per proposal.
#{{User|Fugehog15}} i hope i did this right im kinda new at editing but definitely per what does that mean again
#{{User|Yoshigalaxy2}} There is not a real good reason for them. If we want to go to a website about a game or something, we can type it in. All those references do is clutter up the page, right?

===Oppose===
# [[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] Never mind the laughable idea that NBC and Google are somehow in the same league as non-notable fan crud not worth mentioning, <strike>:you're severely misusing "fanon" here</strike> Okay, now, you're misusing "official" horribly. Other than Youtube Poop and maybe that "Stupid Mario Bros." thing, all of the items of the page are backed by recognised, notable organisations. "Official" doesn't mean squat in the context of independant productions that happen to reference something else, anyway.
#{{User|Reversinator}} Per all.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per Glowsquid.
#{{User|Marioguy1}} - So what you are trying to tell me is that these REAL websites with REAL references are fake? I don't think this is the proper use of the term "fanon".
#{{User|Supremo78}} Per Marioguy1.
#{{User|Edofenrir}} - Even if we disregard whether this is an accurate definition of "fanon" or not, the fact remains that this proposal can only be called vague at best. I'd rather not see this page being reshaped through ambiguity.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - A couple YouTube things and whatnot can go, but most of this page is perfectly legitimate: you should have specified what you want to get rid of (as in the ''sections'' you want to remove), because right now we have no way of knowing what you're planning (your current definition of fanon is way too vague) and the only logical thing to do is vote oppose, lest you're planning to get rid of valid references.
#{{User|Rise Up Above It}} Per all.
#{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - Per all.
#{{User|Galaxy_2}} - Per all.
#{{User|MATEOELBACAN}} Per all.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per all.
#{{User|HenryClaylogan}} Per all.
#{{User|Twentytwofiftyseven}} Per all.
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per Walkazo's comment.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Those sites are just as real as the MarioWiki itself. I know when you hate when I compare us to other wikis, but Bulbapedia does that, if not other NIWA wikis. The people who work hard to bring us those fanon sites deserve to be honored with a page..
#{{User|Phoenix}} Per all.

===Comment===
Page was created by IP user? {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
:Specify. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
::http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Online_references&oldid=1528 It's true. {{User:Yoshiwaker47/sig}}
::Sorry, meant that as a specific comment towards Zero. {{unsigned|Reversinator}}
:::In light of both sides' arguments, I think the thing to do is sort through good links and bad links to keep legitimate links and get rid of illegitimate ones. [[User:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means - Bop1996]] 20:57, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::::Yes, that's what should be done - and it ''will'' be done, but this TPP is going about it the wrong way: it is too vague, and for all we know, perfectly legitimate sections may be removed. It is safer to vote it down and return the power of removing sections to the community as a whole, rather to than the proposer alone. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:08, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Point taken, now, I think this will be voted down soon. Either that, or we can define terms and start a debate. Easy to see where this one's going. [[User:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means - Bop1996]] 07:58, 19 February 2011 (EST)
I don't know about Bulbapedia, but I know Zelda Wiki has a news feed from eight or so Zelda fan sites giving news and insight into Zelda on their front page in prominent display. The system works quite well, actually. My point being that there are some decent fan articles with insight and referencing them isn't necessarily a bad thing, given that we keep only good links on there. (Believe it or not, I actually forgot why I typed this comment in the first place, I think it was a mention of other NIWA sites) [[User:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means - Bop1996]] 07:42, 24 February 2011 (EST)

== French Erotic Film ==
Should I put this here? In it, Colin Mochrie (or Zippy, depending on which version you watch) go through MacTendo's Colin (or Zippy) Mario right after being turned into a Scotsman. Would this be fanon? I wouldn't think so, because it's one of the most popular animutations out there, along with being part of a series (Colin Mochrie vs. Jesus H. Christ), but I just want to be sure. {{User|Magikrazy51}}

== DrCoolSex ==

Should i put DrCoolSex Mario parodies and videos in the article? (This include "Super Mario (XXX Parody) - Official Trailer [HD]" and "Jersey Shore: Super Mario Bros") [[User:YoshiFan1200|YoshiFan1200]] ([[User talk:YoshiFan1200|talk]]) 18:14, 20 February 2013 (EST)

:Also, if i add this article, can i put a "construction" template on it? I need to see every 221 videos. [[User:YoshiFan1200|YoshiFan1200]] ([[User talk:YoshiFan1200|talk]]) 22:44, 20 February 2013 (EST)

::Also², should i add "Malleo" in the article? [[User:YoshiFan1200|YoshiFan1200]] ([[User talk:YoshiFan1200|talk]]) 00:15, 23 February 2013 (EST)

:::What about creating a section only for memes, having Weege and Malleo? [[User:YoshiFan1200|YoshiFan1200]] ([[User talk:YoshiFan1200|talk]]) 00:15, 23 February 2013 (EST)

::::Or better, what about a page only for memes? Things like Mama Luigi, Weege, Malleo...? <small>Waiting someone to answer me *forever alone*</small> [[User:YoshiFan1200|YoshiFan1200]] ([[User talk:YoshiFan1200|talk]]) 00:27, 23 February 2013 (EST)

==Alphabetical==

Should i rewrite the article to make it in alphabetical order? [[User:YoshiFan1200|YoshiFan1200]] ([[User talk:YoshiFan1200|talk]]) 13:21, 24 February 2013 (EST)

:Also, should i put the "Epic Rap Battles of History" section in the "Youtube"? [[User:YoshiFan1200|YoshiFan1200]] ([[User talk:YoshiFan1200|talk]]) 16:20, 24 February 2013 (EST)

Yes and yes.

{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 16:24, 24 February 2013 (EST)

== Weegee's Awful Sprite ==

Does it warrant a section here? I feel like it's one of those fan things. [[Special:Contributions/173.55.155.46|173.55.155.46]] 23:28, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

== Alphabetization ==
Should we alphabetize each section of the references? I think it'll look more organized that way. [[User:GalaxyFan|GalaxyFan]] ([[User talk:GalaxyFan|talk]]) 23:11, 11 March 2013 (EDT)
:Yes, we should. There's no "better" way to organizing it, I guess. [[Special:Contributions/173.55.155.46|173.55.155.46]] 23:13, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

== HTF?! ==

WHAT DOES HAPPY TREE FRIENDS HAVE TO DO WITH THE MARIO SERIES?! [[User:WeHatePoisonMushrooms66|WeHatePoisonMushrooms66]] ([[User talk:WeHatePoisonMushrooms66|talk]]) 19:53, 16 October 2013 (EDT)
:1. Please don't write in all-caps. It's disruptive and rude.
:2. This is an article about Mario references. Happy Tree Friends contains a Mario reference, therefore we mention it here. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:00, 16 October 2013 (EDT)
Look on HTF Wiki for the episode "Junk In The Trunk" and the character "Mouse Ka-Boom". [[Special:Contributions/72.251.238.100|72.251.238.100]] 15:20, 12 June 2015 (EDT)

==What's the Point==
I don't get what the point of this page is, it shouldn't be on a wiki, considering it has vulgar material on it. [[User:Ztar Power|Ztar Power]] ([[User talk:Ztar Power|talk]]) 18:45, 2 November 2013 (EDT)
:Good wikis should refrain from censoring. There was a talk page proposal to remove it, but it failed. In fact, it's in this page.<br> {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:08, 3 November 2013 (EDT)

==RFM767==

He already renamed his channel to RFM767vszombies, so change it.

== The Limit with YouTube ==
YouTube is home to millions of videos, but one popular genre is the Let's Play, where someone narrates through their playthough of a game. Naturally, as Mario is a popular series, Mario games are constantly being Let's Played. [https://www.youtube.com/user/GameGrumps GameGrumps], [https://www.youtube.com/user/chuggaaconroy Chuggaaconroy], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmL7epUlNGo Rooster Teeth], and many more are some of the more famous examples of people who have played Mario games on their channel, and that's not even including the plethora of people who have included a Mario reference ''somewhere'' in their videos, like everyone who's done a [https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=minecraft+lucky+block Minecraft Lucky Block video] or people who consistently use Mario avatars like [https://www.youtube.com/user/VanossGaming Vanoss (as Luigi)] and [https://www.youtube.com/user/MiniLaddd Mini Ladd (as Mario)]. With that said, should they be included? I do think that at least Chuggaaconroy and other people who are predominantly Nintendo/Mario-oriented should be mentioned, but beyond that, do we go by video views? Subscriber count? The article already lists a few gamers, like [https://www.youtube.com/user/TheDiamondMinecart/ The Diamond Minecart (predominantly Minecraft)] and [https://www.youtube.com/user/rfm767 rfm767 (predominantly Plants vs. Zombies], so it seems a bit inconsistent to me. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:Maybe we could just have one general "Let's Play" header under the YouTube section and list the "big names" (i.e. "people with over x subscribers") who routinely do ''Mario'' titles and/or make lots of refs to the series as they play through other games, but not give them all separate sections. Also, I feel like it might be worth doing a section for [[wikipedia:Kaizo Mario World|Kaizo Mario World]], listing LPs of it; it has a Wikipedia page for crying out loud: that suggests it's impactful enough to be worth acknowledging (and saying there's lots of other fanmade SMW levels too, from regular stuff to copycat hard levels to those musical automatic ones, but not list anything in particular). It's all a pretty slippery slope, but it seems to be more worthwhile to note these sorts of major ''Mario'' fandom aspects rather than just sticking to the often-small-time series that make the occasional ''Mario'' ref here and there (across all media, really: it's a safe bet that a lot of the live action TV series listed, for example are less well known top most of the wiki's readership than Chuggaaconroy or Kaizo Mario). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 15:35, 24 March 2015 (EDT)
::I suppose the biggest problem would be with deciding what's going to be our amount of subscribers. Considering Chugga's under a million, we'd probably want our amount to be under that too (or is he the exception?). If we're listing people who have played Kaizo Mario, is it going to be another [https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kaizo+mario&search_sort=video_view_count numbers game]? If so, the [https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=automatic+mario&search_sort=video_view_count Automatic Mario] levels you mentioned are decently popular as well, even if they don't have a wiki article. On that note, if we're going to cover Kaizo because it has an article on Wikipedia, what about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unofficial_works_based_on_Mario these guys]? They're full-fledged fan games in comparison to the fan hack, but they've gotta be notable to some extent if Wikipedia covers them, right? {{User:Time Turner/sig}}

== Weegee and YouTube Poop ==

Added a bit more info to the Weegee section, as well as a section on YTP. Personally, I believe they merit a mention here (if not on the main article pages), since both have been "confirmed" by KnowYourMeme and Weegee even got a professionally-made video explaining the meme.--[[User:Megatron|Megatron]] ([[User talk:Megatron|talk]]) 11:02, 5 December 2015 (EST)

== Memes section/listing memes here ==

Being discussed in [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=35877.0 this forum thread].--[[User:Megatron|Megatron]] ([[User talk:Megatron|talk]]) 11:42, 10 December 2015 (EST)

== Smg4 and thelonelygoomba ==

They can be allowed as mush as Doug walker and James rolfe [[User:Arceus|Arceus]] ([[User talk:Arceus|talk]]) 20:15, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

== Death battle ==

Mario and donkey kong characters appeared on them so they can be allowed. [[User:Arceus|Arceus]] ([[User talk:Arceus|talk]]) 12:51, 24 April 2016 (EDT)

== SMG4 ==

Would [https://www.youtube.com/user/supermarioglitchy4 SMG4's Videos] count as a reference. They all include Mario along with many other characters and memes and a majority of the people in these videos share the same exact body features as Mario in ''[[Super Mario 64]]''. They also include many other games such as ''[[Mario Kart 64]]'' and ''[[Paper Mario 1]]''. Even the secondary main character SMG4 is a blue version of Mario. {{User:The RPG Gamer/sig}} 18:27, 29 October 2016 (EDT)
:If the video uploads purely Mario-related content, then no, not really. Anything regarding fan content of YouTube is (usually) not a reference. If it was, you could say [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO67_zr_22c&list=PL4f9TuusJb6D7PtcuDG5hXONzInUrPqDl&index=8 this video I made] would be worth noting. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:33, 29 October 2016 (EDT)

== Death Battle and 1 Minute Melee ==

[[Mario]],[[Luigi]],[[Peach]],[[Bowser]],[[Yoshi]],[[Wario]],[[Bowser Jr.]], and [[Donkey Kong]] are in the series. [[Special:Contributions/50.164.95.83|50.164.95.83]] 13:56, 15 January 2017 (EST)

==Luigi's Death Stare T-Shirt available to residents from UK and Ireland who preorder Mario Kart 8 Deluxe==

A T-Shirt referencing to Luigi's Death Stare is available to residents from UK and Ireland who preorder Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Should we include it in the Luigi's Death Stare section?

Main Page (it advertises it): https://store.nintendo.co.uk/home.dept?utm_source=mothership&utm_medium=navigation_firstlevel&utm_campaign=home

Product: https://store.nintendo.co.uk/nintendo-switch-game/mario-kart-8-deluxe-t-shirt/11461194.html

[[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 14:00, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

== Add one of Kurzgesagt's  videos ==

I remember that it references a Pirahana Plant.

--[[User:Mariobrosfan120|Mariobrosfan120]] ([[User talk:Mariobrosfan120|talk]]) 18:25, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
:Which video? {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:30, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

== Is this worth adding? ==

I just want to point out that on Dude Perfect's Gym Stereotypes video one the host depicting “Talkative Timmy” (Tyler) mentions Mario Kart and Rainbow Road, is it worth adding? [[User:Thefamman|Thefamman]] ([[User talk:Thefamman|talk]]) 17:41, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

:Sure. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:01, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

==On the introductory paragraph==
This question may sound a little indiscreet, but out of curiosity, is there a reason this page states in the lead that references from pornos and such aren't to be included? As far as I know, we don't censor our information, and there's plenty such material notable enough to be covered. Is it because adding a bulk of content from media for adults exceeds some common sense boundaries regarding our younger readerbase that a [[Bob Hoskins|profane quote from an actor]] doesn't? {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 16:45, March 29, 2020 (EDT)

==Broaden Intro Paragraph==

Would it be worth replacing the reference to walkthroughs of Mario games to something like 'media coverage about Mario games, including news articles, walkthroughs or reviews'? At the moment it seems like it could be taken to imply that say, IGN covering a Mario game in a news article is a reference, whereas common sense dictates it isn't.

--[[User:Cheat-master30|Cheat-master30]] ([[User talk:Cheat-master30|talk]]) 09:16, July 28, 2020 (EDT)

==Could we add the history of Mario Sprite Animation?==
Honestly, the way it's evolved so much deserves a spot here. From older animations "Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom (Randy Solem)" to newer animations "MarioCraft (Level UP)".
{{unsigned|Pixelcraftian}}
:Fan works Nintendo hasn't acknowledged don't count. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:38, November 3, 2020 (EST)

== Henry Stickmin ==

Now that all five previous games are available on Steam as ''The Henry Stickmin Collection'', shouldn't the section of the series on this page be relocated to [[List of Mario references in third-party video games|List of ''Mario'' references in third-party video games]]? After all, ''Completing the Mission'' is remaster-exclusive. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 12:05, April 5, 2021 (EDT)

== I think the Nintendo killing Mario meme should be added to the article. ==

I think the Nintendo killing Mario meme should be added to the article. [[Special:Contributions/107.146.244.150|107.146.244.150]] 17:15, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
:It must have a confirmed status on [http://www.knowyourmeme.com Know Your Meme]. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 18:14, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
OK. [[Special:Contributions/107.146.244.150|107.146.244.150]] 18:26, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

== Move the section on ''The Henry Stickmin Collection'' to [[List of Mario references in third-party video games|List of ''Mario'' references in third-party video games]] ==

{{settled TPP}}
{{proposal outcome|passed|4-0-0|Move the entire section}}
This is specifically in regards to the section labeled "''Henry Stickmin'' series" on this article. Since I haven't had a response to the comment above in nearly seven months, I think it's about time I put this into a proposal.

Now that the entire collection is on Steam, I think it's about time we moved all of the information to [[List of Mario references in third-party video games|List of ''Mario'' references in third-party video games]]. I would've done so right away, but I do realize that some references are Flash-exclusive, so some users may hold some reservations of keeping those particular tidbits of info here.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Archivist Toadette}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' November 14, 2021, 23:59 GMT

===Move everything over===
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} My preferred option.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|RHG1951}} Per proposal.
#{{User|OhoJeeOnFire}} Yeah, technically they’re games, not things you can search up. Per all.

===Move everything over except the Flash-exclusive references===

===Keep everything here===

===Comments===

== Another one ==

Similar to the “Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing” meme, there is also a “Peach loses by doing absolutely everything” meme. Should it be added? {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}

==Wario Dies entry?==
I felt that and entry about the Wario Does meme would be a good addition. It'd popular enough to have a Know your Meme page. [[User:DukeofDank|DukeofDank]] 10:17, 28 December 2021 (EDT)

:It's not a "Confirmed" status, only a [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wario-dies "Submission"]. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:05, December 29, 2021 (EST)

== Happy Tree Friends: False Alarm information on third-party games list? ==

So the only reference to ''Happy Tree Friends'' is the ''False Alarm'' short. For context, this is ''actually'' a video game cutscene uploaded to YouTube by the official Mondo account. For context, it was first seen in the video game ''Happy Tree Friends: False Alarm'' where this short was available to watch. It was uploaded later to YouTube for free. By this logic, would we actually move this information to [[List of Mario references in third-party video games|List of ''Mario'' references in third-party video games]]? [[User:Wikiboy10|Wikiboy10]] ([[User talk:Wikiboy10|talk]]) 14:24, February 5, 2023 (EST)

== MSPA Dead links ==

The Ms Paint Adventures section mentioning Homestuck links to an old version of the Homestuck website. Homestuck is now hosted on https://www.homestuck.com . And because of this, Homestuck's story has different page numbers, because the original site counted pages from comics before Homestuck. Instead of being page 7681, it's now on page 5781, which can be found at https://www.homestuck.com/story/5781 {{unsigned|OpraZebb}}

:Fixed, thanks. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 10:27, April 19, 2023 (EDT)

== Princess Peach Hand On Hip Pose (Super Mario Strikers) Meme ==
[[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/princess-peach-hand-on-hip-pose-super-mario-strikers]] --[[User:SMBros|SMBros]] ([[User talk:SMBros|talk]]) 19:47, July 30, 2024 (EDT)
:🤨 No? It's just a bunch of creepy fanart. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:54, July 30, 2024 (EDT)
:🙂 It's not creepy it's hot. 	--[[User:SMBros|SMBros]] ([[User talk:SMBros|talk]]) 20:07, July 30, 2024 (EDT)
::we are not adding stuff to the internet references article just for the male gaze bruh. hot does not equal notable. {{User:The Crazy Mr. L Fangirl/sig}} 20:17, July 30, 2024 (EDT)
:::I want our wiki kept free from bullshit like this. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 20:53, July 30, 2024 (EDT)
::Maybe, but to be fair, many people feel uncomfortable with the more provocative fanart of something that's already more provocative and "edgy" than a typical Mario game - hence Mario's use of the word "creepy" - it's not "creepy" in the sense that it's (traditionally) scary, it's "creepy" in the sense that makes them feel uncomfortable - think like how perverts are often called creeps. I'll admit that I hadn't really thought about it when I initially found your query on Peach's talk page, but I do recall that people felt uncomfortable when someone had described [[Mrs. Shroomlock]]'s appearance in extremely excessive detail. Generally, we try to avoid [[MarioWiki:Good writing#Fan worship|fan worship]] on this wiki, and describing this meme might teeter too close to this... especially with that kinda attitude. {{User:Arend/sig}} 21:29, July 30, 2024 (EDT)
:::I'm an afab woman so, I'll hopefully put that more into perspective. {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:48, July 30, 2024 (EDT)
::::I'm sorry --[[User:SMBros|SMBros]] ([[User talk:SMBros|talk]]) 21:54, July 30, 2024 (EDT)
:::::I mean, regardless of creepy or not (which it definitively is), it's also. not a meme. it's fanart. characters get fanart. the purpose of this page is not to talk about which characters get fanart. [[Special:Contributions/73.171.104.211|73.171.104.211]] 22:12, July 30, 2024 (EDT)

== On removing this sentence in the intro ==

<blockquote>This list does not include fan-made works dedicated to the Super Mario franchise and its games or content with pornography, sex, or other adult-based content that Nintendo has not acknowledged, nor does it include walkthroughs of Super Mario games. </blockquote>

As I explained [[Special:Diff/4473554|here]], this bit of "policy" was adapted from an edit that [[Special:Diff/1602372|came out of nowhere]], courtesy of one user with low activity on the wiki and a poor track record. It was useless (the gory ''Happy Tree Friends'' show can be considered "adult-based content", yet its section has hovered on this page for eons) and did not conform to the wiki's anti-censorship stance. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 19:08, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:{{@|Koopa con Carne}} Good catch. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 19:12, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Regardless of the actual user making the edit, the edit itself does make a good point establishing a clear boundary of what kind of content to include on this page. We had a proposal earlier[https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/68#Allow_a_page_for_references_in_mainstream_pornography_.28in_observance_of_the_Children.27s_Internet_Protection_Act.29] dealing with this sort of content, only to be canceled, which we assume the measure has failed. If you want to include content of this sort again, you may have another attempt on a proposal, but either way, we should've included this disclaimer earlier. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:50, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::The proposal was about content from within explicit media; the section addressed here concerns strictly website figures, which are perfectly innocuous. The boundary that statement set was arbitrary--again, the wiki already takes a [[Shitamachi Ninjō Gekijō|plain anti-censorship stance.]]
::TBH, I'd sooner curate the page much, ''much'' more stringently before a policy such as the one quoted above was implemented. The Internet is open for many people to upload creations of their own, and the line between what's "notable" or "popular" and not fluctuates heavily or hinges on a lot of criteria. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 19:55, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::I'm not sure if I understand the semantics. The content you're adding is a figure from a website on explicit content, which I believe is reasonable to interpret that as a violation of that earlier proposal on explicit content that was made and got canceled (and received mostly oppose votes). That being said, if you don't agree with my interpretation of your edits, you may make a follow-up proposal to further clarify your semantics. {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:09, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::The proposal sought to "allow the creation of a page for Mario-related references in adult-oriented media which is produced or distributed by notable studios". Some of the opposition argued that no such media can be considered "notable". A series of figures from one of the internet's most {{wp|List of most-visited websites|widely known and visited websites}} cannot be judged from either slant just because that site happens to host porn on it.<br>Regardless, I'm willing to drop the subject in light of the section below. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:16, December 26, 2024 (EST)

== This page is a mess ==

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There's tons of content with questionable notoriety in this page. It's particularly egregious with the YouTube section with tons of channels that I don't really think should be listed on this wiki. I do agree that certain content should be limited on this page, including the aforementioned above section of adult sexual content. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:56, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:We're probably better off limiting it to stuff that Nintendo acknowledged. As I said above, anyone can put things on the Internet and gain some level of notoriety with their uploads, but that doesn't make it inherently coverage-worthy here. Limit page to the PETA fiasco, the memes Nintendo referenced or made statements on, and whatever else of this kind. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:00, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::(^saying this as someone who contributed quite a bit to this page) {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:09, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::I believe we should remove the YouTube channels per what Koopa Con Carne said and keep it to major websites and memes. The games should go to [[List of references in third-party video games]] and a page already exists for [[List of unofficial media acknowledged by Nintendo|stuff Nintendo acknowledged]]. {{User|Rykitu}}