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| --[[User:Scottsc|Scottsc]] ([[User talk:Scottsc|talk]]) 19:29, 13 October 2014 (EDT) | | --[[User:Scottsc|Scottsc]] ([[User talk:Scottsc|talk]]) 19:29, 13 October 2014 (EDT) |
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| Add spiny hat and buzzy beetle hat.--[[Special:Contributions/46.130.128.26|46.130.128.26]] 12:04, 16 June 2015 (EDT)
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| :Added. We don't have images or information on these items just about yet. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:26, 16 June 2015 (EDT)
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| == Returning Power-Ups ==
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| Currently, the list does not include returning power-ups for games. Should this be changed? For one thing, not all powerups return in all games (hell, not a single item on this page appears in every game on the list). For a second, power-ups often change effect between games (such as the Ice Flower from Mario Galaxy being a complete outlier in terms of effect when compared to Ice Flowers in other games; and more limited changes such as the leaf in SM3D Land making you look like Tanooki Mario, but not fly or turn into a statue - only fall slower like Bunny Mario). And for a third, even when they don't change function, they can radically change visual - the Super Mushroom's design on this page was only used in SMB and cosmetic homages thereto (like Mario Maker's SMB style).
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| In addition, there's other inconsistencies like the SMB3 images being of the All-Stars version, while the SMB ones are of the NES version. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 21:58, 8 December 2015 (EST)
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| :Good point...you're probably right, but the Mushroom appears in [essentially] every Mario game there is. {{User:Roy Koopa/sig}} 22:00, 8 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::Not in most of the 3D games, starting in SM64. And while ''mushrooms'' of other types appear in the Paper Mario games, the Super Mushroom - double sizes you indefinitely - doesn't. (Just for starters) - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 22:03, 8 December 2015 (EST)
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| :::Typically, "Mushroom" refers to the usual Mushroom from Super Mario Bros., and also you may notice I said "essentially." SM64 doesn't have them, but that's it for the most part. {{User:Roy Koopa/sig}} 22:05, 8 December 2015 (EST)
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| :::First, note that [[Mushroom]] (HP recovery) is a different article from [[Super Mushroom]] (double-size, as in SMB onward):
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| :::*Super Mario 64: Absent
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| :::*Super Mario Sunshine: Absent
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| :::*Super Mario Galaxy: Absent
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| :::*Super Mario Galaxy 2: Absent
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| :::And the RPG games have Mushrooms that recover HP, rather than double-size/etc you. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 22:15, 8 December 2015 (EST)
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| == Rearrange this page according to power-up, not debut game ==
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0|rearrange}}
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| As I said above, currently this page treats power-ups as accumulative - as if they appear in ''every'' game past their debut, as opposed to every game having a different lineup - and ignores that the design of a power-up in their original game often differs from the design that becomes the default later on. Rather than listing Super Mushrooms and suchlike umpteen times, how about we just go with alphabetising (the "Images" column would not show ''every'' sprite, just the major design changes. Maximum of five, but I don't think any power-ups actually have that many major changes). Columns to look something like this:
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| |[[Super Mushroom]]
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| |[[File:SMB Supermushroom.png|48px]] [[File:Mushroomsmb3.png|48px]] [[File:MushroomSMW.PNG|48px]] [[File:Mushroom.png|48px]]
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| |''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'', ''[[Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels|SMB: The Lost Levels]]'', ''[[Super Mario Bros. 3|SMB3]]'', ''[[Super Mario World]]'', ''[[Super Mario 64 DS]]'', ''[[New Super Mario Bros.]]'', ''[[New Super Mario Bros.|NSMB Wii]]'', ''[[New Super Mario Bros.|NSMB2]]'', ''[[New Super Mario Bros.|NSMBU]]'', ''[[Super Mario 3D World]]'', ''[[Super Mario Maker]]''
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| |Turns [[Small Mario]] into [[Super Mario]], allowing him to withstand damage, break [[Brick Block]]s, and find other power-ups.
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| Thoughts?
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| '''Proposer:''' [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) <br>
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| '''Deadline:''' December 26, 2015, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Support===
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| #{{User|Reboot}} Per myself.
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| #{{User|Roy Koopa}} He does present a valid point: Mushrooms have appeared in more than one game.
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| #{{User|Sonic98}} Per Reboot.
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| #{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Chocolate Mario}} This makes it easier for readers to check which games a certain power-up is in. One image per power-up is enough for me, however.
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| #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Per. Not a fan of the current format.
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| #{{User|Andymii}} Per all.
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| The choice of images seems strange to me. I think we should just keep it to latest game appearance as in its infobox in its respective article and the [[Mario (franchise)]] page. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:29, 12 December 2015 (EST)
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| :I'm not dogmatic about that, if everyone else disagrees. I'm more fussed about the only visual representation of the likes of the Super Mushroom being their unrepresentative early sprites. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 00:16, 15 December 2015 (EST)
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| While the proposed change would be great for the given example, including any other item that has been in several games, it does nothing for the items in few games. I'm not seeing the benefit. -- [[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 17:37, 13 December 2015 (EST)
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| :The previous format lists a particular power-up only once, omitting recurring power-ups. This isn't helpful since you don't know if a game has a particular power-up or not (''Super Mario 64 DS'' has the Mushroom; ''Super Mario 64'' doesn't, but it's not immediately apparent) so the organization in this page is not very good. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:13, 13 December 2015 (EST)
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| I feel like the most optimal choice is to list the same power-up more than once. If a power-up appears in a game, list it under that game's header, and display a picture of how the power-up looks in that game. That way we get complete coverage of how the power-ups look like whilst not having to suffer from arbitrary choices, plus where power-ups appear is made more clear. What does everyone else think about this? {{User:RandomYoshi/sig}} 02:58, 15 December 2015 (EST)
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| :I think it would be more useful to list power-ups by type because this article is focused on just that (my first impressions when I view an article like this). Also, a few power-ups recur frequently, so I think that would get repetitive quickly although if it doesn't take a whole lot of space of repeats, then it might be feasible. I like the idea of different images though, but I'm not keen on the repeats. If you want to look up a particular game style, then would visiting the game pages be too inconvenient? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:10, 15 December 2015 (EST)
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| :Simply listing per game was my first thought (see [[#Returning Power-Ups]] above), but the more I thought about it the more it seemed doing so would just bloat the page.
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| :Plus "list of power-ups", not {{fake link|List of power-ups by game}}. That implies the power-ups are the main thing to sort by. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 22:57, 15 December 2015 (EST)
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| == Can we please have some actual order to this page ==
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| Basically, this page appears to be sorted alphabetically. I do not like that because I think it makes the page look extremely messy and I think that there are much neater ways they could be ordered. It's really annoying to search for a powerup in the table in the kind of shuffled mess they are in created by alphabetical order. {{User:3D Player 2010/sig}} 16:56, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :I would seriously appreciate it if this would get a reply. {{User:3D Player 2010/sig}} 19:43, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
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| ::I usually like having lists alphabetical, actually. Makes it easier for me. Personal preferences.
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| ::Is there a different way you have in mind? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:46, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :::The only other way I can see to organize this page would be debut game, but for me it's easier to look alphabetically, and the page looks perfectly fine to me in alphabetical order, and it's how the wiki does a lot of lists, like [[List of characters|characters]], [[List of enemies|enemies]], and [[List of items|items]], among others. {{User|Yoshi876}}
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| == More clear separation between helpful items and actual power-ups? ==
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| Should some of these really be considered power-ups? I mean, things you hold or maybe even wear (pirhana plant, pickaxe, spiny/buzzy helmet, etc.) are just that, things you gold and wear. I do think tanooki suit, frog suit, and the like should be kept because those overall alter the player's abilities, but the pickaxe is less a new ablity given to toad and rather just toad using a pickaxe, just like me with a pair of scissors isn't me with a new ability, it's just me with a pair of scissors. I feel like if that should be considered a power-up then (sorry, I know it's already been discussed) the poison mushroom should too, especially since it's almost as much a power-down as a mini-mushroom (in some cases a mini-mushroom is worse since a poison mushroom would at least just bring you from Fire Mario to Super Mario and not directly to small Mario) but that's just nitpicking.
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| I don't know, I'm just addressing this because I'm looking through all the powerups for something I'm making and things like the Pirhana Plant and Pickaxe are really distracting and makes the list unnecesarrily long and tedious to read and it just makes everything disorganised...
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| On a side note, it would be great if there could be some kind of sorting that acknowledged some power-ups are very related to other power-ups to the point of being almost the same (like the statue leaf and tanooki suit) but this is just a suggestion and I understand if it wouldn't work. Thanks!!
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| :While I agree that some aren't exactly "powers", the thing is that (most of) the games regard them as such. It's strange to list a Pick-Axe as a power-up, yes, but that's the way it is. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:30, 25 August 2016 (EDT)
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| ::I do agree to an extent with the extra-life items or the + Clock, which don't even affect the player, only other statistics around the player. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:28, 25 August 2016 (EDT)
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| :::A power-up is a power that is good. Actual affects don't actually matter. The Poison Mushroom is not good unless it affects the enemy as well, which it has only done in some games and even then it is a bad power. The Mini Mushroom on the other hand, has the ability for the player to be able to walk on water and other stuff at the price of one hit and your done. All things will have a disadvantage of some sort. It would be nice if we had a way to actually know how the power ups rank (from major to minor) in helpfulness. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:57, August 2016 (EDT)
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| == New Arrangement Idea (Categories) ==
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| What if the items were to be arranged by the type of game? They would separate like: Platformer, RPG's, Racing, Party, Etc. I think it would be a lot easier to navigate to the certain items you would want to find out about (Though some items might get repeated, like the Mega Mushroom would show in the Platforming section as well as the Kart Racing section. --[[User:Crafty Potatoes|Crafty Potatoes]] ([[User talk:Crafty Potatoes|talk]]) 14:27, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
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| == Should the Dry Bones Shell be added? ==
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| It follows the naming scheme of the Buzzy Beetle Shell and the Spiny Shell. It makes you immune to Spike Traps like the Goomba's Shoe. You can also be invincible for a second. You can also ride it through lava or poison. [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 20:46, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Coin Rush Star ==
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| Is this power-up being overlooked? While Super Mario Run is clearly not a game with a ton of power-ups, (with the only other Power-ups being the Super Mushroom and the Super Star) It does benefit Mario. When it touches Mario, Mario goes on a "coin rush" where coins are doubled on the path and ? mark boxes are given a lot more coins. Should the Coin Rush Star be included?{{unsigned|ExploudX4}}
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| :I don't see why not. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:33, May 20, 2020 (EDT)
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| == Heart (Super Mario Odyssey.) ==
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| Is there a reason why the Heart from super mario odyssey isn't added? I mean I saw the Life-up Heart, so shouldn't that mean the Heart should be added? If you know why then please inform me.{{unsigned|ExploudX4}}
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| :I'm not sure, as it only restores lost life. Same reason why we don't have Coins listed. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:33, May 20, 2020 (EDT)
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| == moon (smm2) ==
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| The moon in SMM2 functions exactly like the Lucky Star. So should the smm2 moon be added?[[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 13:01, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| :It's not a power-up, rather an ally. [[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 13:09, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::that would make the lucky star an ally and not a power-up. [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 15:49, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| :::Well they have the same function, but the Moon seems to be a Living Being making it an ally. While the Lucky Star appears to be an object.[[User:Duckfan77|Duckfan77]] ([[User talk:Duckfan77|talk]]) 15:56, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::::Also, the POW Block isn't on the list. [[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 16:01, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| :::::so why is the lucky star on the list.? [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 16:24, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::::::Well, the Pow Block is an Item and the Moon is an ally. [[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 17:38, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| :::::::the lucky star is also an item. everything on the list is an item. [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 20:04, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| I wouldn't consider the Moon to be a power-up, just a powerful item. Same with the Lucky Star, tbh. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:42, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| :So, should I remove it? [[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 17:54, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::If you don't understand, check the discussions above. [[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 20:07, July 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| I noticed that the POW Block was brought up in the conversation about the moon. (In which I agree that it's an ally.) Which made me think "Are items considered Power-ups? (At least in the Mario Universe.) I mean you can hold the POW Block like you hold a Spin Drill But in another games it float like a question mark box. The POW Block does help Mario & friends, killing most types of enemies that are on screen when thrown or hit. So should it be consider a power-up? (And this go for items similar to the POW Block too.) {{Unsigned|ExploudX4}}
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| :It's just an item that you can pick up and hold and has an effect when thrown/hit, I wouldn't consider it a power-up any more than a Koopa shell personally. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:39, August 28, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::Good point, It's a bit unclear what to do with it. I'll think about that. --{{User:ExploudX4}} 14:44, August 28, 2020 (EDT)
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| :::Ok, I've thought about it and I realized that are a lot of these "items", ex:POW Block,P-Switch,Spring,exc.(this includes the koopa shell, it has quite a bit of uses in the 3D Mario games.)All of these items have there uses, even if they don't react with Mario. Even if there not power-ups,so should they be given their own section in this article? Or should they have their own article? Respond if you have an opinion on this topic. --{{User:ExploudX4}} 11:03 September 2, 2020
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| ::::a "debatably" section since they might or might not be power-ups. [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 10:59, September 3, 2020 (EDT)
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| Should the 1-up Mushroom and Super Mushroom sections be checked to remove ports/remakes? {{User:Wynn Liaw/sig}} 10:46, December 12, 2020 (EST)
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| :Yeah, we should keep it consistent with the rest of the article. Personally, I think including ports or remakes in these sections will just clutter them. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
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| :Also the Fire Flower and Super Star sections should be checked too. {{User:Wynn Liaw/sig}} 11:00, December 12, 2020 (EST)
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| ::What ports and remakes should be specified? Super Mario 64 DS, a remake, introduces the caps, Super Mushroom, Power Flower, and Wing Feather. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:20, December 12, 2020 (EST)
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| :::We could make that exception if those power-ups are introduced or only included in the remake. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
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| :I removed some already. {{User:Wynn Liaw/sig}} 10:08, December 13, 2020 (EST)
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| == Trimming this page ==
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| This page has way too much stuff on it. To simplify, I suggest limiting this only to items that provide a form change or some similar effect. Here's what I'm thinking should be cut:
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| *Items that give extra lives (1 UP Heart, 1-Up Mushroom, 2-Up Mushroom, 3UP Heart, 3-Up Moon, 3-Up Mushroom, 5-Up Mushroom)
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| *Items that increase time limits (+ Clock)
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| *Bros. Items (Copy Flower, Mix Flower)
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| *Items that only award coins or points (Golden Mushroom, Hachisuke)
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| *Items that increase or restore health (Heart, Life Mushroom, Life-Up Heart)
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| *Items that affect the environment but do not directly affect the player (Lucky Star, Slow Flower, Speed Flower, Stop Watch)
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| *Items that have to be picked up and held (Piranha Plant)
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| --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:08, June 12, 2021 (EDT)
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| :I disagree [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 18:01, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
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| :I agree with this. It's even in the name and the first sentence of the article: it should only be the items that actually power you up. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:26, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
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| :I agree with this too. It just looks really cluttered and inconsistent. This article should only to be about what changes and powers Mario and co. up. --[[User:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|KingGeoshiKoopshi64]] ([[User talk:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|talk]]) 04:17, July 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| :This is something I was thinking about for a while. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 06:02, July 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Agreed. It should only be about power-ups and items that give Mario and co. themselves new abilities. {{user:Alexo}} 11:54, July 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::the goomba's shoe isn't a power-up by your logic since the goomba's shoe, not mario, has the abilities. [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 03:47, July 28, 2021 (EDT)
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| == the term "power-up" ==
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| The term "power-up" is pretty vague. No one can agree what does and doesn't count as a power-up. The shoes don't give Mario new abilities. Rather, the shoe itself has the ability. It's more like a vehicle than a power-up. [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]])
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| :They’re power-ups because they give Mario an ability he can’t do normally. Simple as that.[[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 20:34, November 8, 2021 (EST)
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| ::You're the only one who seems to be having any issue with this, to be frank. The definition we have in place now is pretty simple, they're items that Mario (or any character) can collect that grant special abilities as long as he has the item, and that can usually be lost by taking damage. There really isn't any difference between the Fire Flower and the Goomba's Shoe in that regard. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 20:52, November 8, 2021 (EST)
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| Just thought I'd ask this, should the Giga mushroom be added? It was certainly considered for Bowsers's Fury. (It was finished, just not implemented.) I'm not expecting this to be added, just thought I'd ask.
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| [[User:ExploudX4|ExploudX4]] ([[User talk:ExploudX4|talk]]) 24:27, December 22, 2021 (EST)
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| :It is unused, so no it shouldn't be added. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:30, December 22, 2021 (EST)
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| == goomba's shoe ==
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| The goomba's shoe is no more of a power-up than Yoshi. They even replace each other in different game styles in the Super Mario Maker games. [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 19:45, April 13, 2023 (EDT)
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| :For my two cents, Yoshi in the platforming games actually is treated like a power-up and I wouldn't be entirely opposed to including him on this list for the same reason as Goomba's Shoe. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:03, April 15, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::Yoshi is no power-up. Yoshi is a dinosaur. [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 03:39, April 21, 2023 (EDT)
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