Editing Talk:List of games

==(First topic)==
How come [[Rhythm Tengoku: The Best+|some guest appearances]] are listed in this page while [[Punch-Out!! (Wii)|some guest appearances]] aren't?  One of these two things should be changed for consistency sake imo.  The only reason I'm not changing anything myself is that I don't know exactly which of these things should be changed according to policy.
{{User:3D Player 2010/sig}} 16:36, 25 September 2015 (EDT)

== Upcoming Games! ==

Tomorrow Nintendo Direct will show more upcoming games,it might have Mario Games too.
If Not Reply Me
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== Mario Party Star Rush ==

Nintendo recently announced at E3 'Mario Party Star Rush' for the 3DS, featuring seven new amiibo (including a glow-in-the-dark Boo) and they are releasing a demo tomorrow. Since we already have some upcoming games in the list, shouldn't we make an article on it based on what we know?

Quizmelon

== Super Mario App ==

Nintendo have just - like about an hour ago - announced an app for iPad, 'Super Mario Run'. I believe info for it can be found on the App Store. Will this be getting its own article? 

[[User:Quizmelon|Quizmelon]] ([[User talk:Quizmelon|talk]]) 13:29, 7 September 2016 (EDT)

== Nintendo Switch ==

Hey guys, I just watched the new [[Nintendo Switch]] trailer reveal on Nintendo's YouTube channel today on Thursday, October 20, 2016! And since the [[wikipedia:Nintendo Switch|Nintendo Switch]] is a hybrid between a home console and handheld, where should I place it within the List of games? --[[User:Jjrapper100|Jjrapper100]] ([[User talk:Jjrapper100|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2016 (EDT)

Source(s):<br>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uik5fgIaI

I think it should be categorised as a handheld to be honest. It has ARM architecture (like the 3DS, smartphones and tablets) and a lot of the games are advertised as handheld games. [[User:memoryman3|memoryman3]] ([[User talk:memoryman3|talk]])
:Nintendo presently markets the Switch as a console, so it should remain as such. Even if we classify it as both, it'd be tedious to include its list of games in two different sections. At the moment, it should remain under "Consoles". {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:04, 25 August 2017 (EDT)

== Logos ==

Would it be a good idea to include small logos of every game beside its corresponding entry in the tables, similar to what [[User:Mario jc]] did [[User:Mario_jc#Mario_games|here]]?--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 20:27, 28 December 2016 (EST)

==Minecraft==

Didn't Minecraft for the Switch come out? If so, why is the article indicating that it didn't? B to the RON! 02:05, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

:That's for the physical release. The digital release (under "Nintendo eShop") is already out. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 05:09, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

:I know it isn't labelled as such on the [[Nintendo eShop]], but the version of ''[[Minecraft]]'' on [[Nintendo Switch]] is known as ''Minecraft: Bedrock Edition'', not "''Minecraft'' (Bedrock version)". [[User:NintendoFan08|NintendoFan08]] ([[User talk:NintendoFan08|talk]]) 08:17, October 8, 2022 (EDT)

== Super Mario World Medal Game ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pySob67OVc

Do we have coverage of this on our wiki? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 05:27, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

:I don't think so....sure that's not bootleg? A version of ''[[Super Mario World]]'' that colors [[Spiny|Spinies]] correctly seems rather surreal... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:03, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
::You can briefly see it has the 'Banpresto' logo. [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 06:35, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
:::That's a figure company.....is this like a gachapon machine? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:46, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

Aight, so Banpresto was an arcade game manufacturer (both of the video and mechanical kind). The wiki does not have a page about that specific medal game. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 11:37, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

Hi. I'm new here and I obsess over these obscure Mario games. The video is gone. Three questions to try and resolve the issue 50%. 1, did you manage to download the video? 2, is there a picture on Google images? 3, can this game be found on the arcade coverage super Mario boards forum post for banpresto? A bit of trivia: before Capcom made all those Mario party arcade games for Japan, Banpresto was the dominant third party developer for licensed Mario arcade games and all of them were also released in Japan. The questions are for shadow2. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 19:00, May 18, 2019 (EDT)

:I THINK this is the same game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpjqAFdpncI [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 03:13, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

That's Būbū Mario. We have that one covered. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 22:49, September 24, 2019 (EDT)

Thank you so much for uploading this video. This helps out a bunch. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 22:56, September 24, 2019 (EDT)

Based on what I heard here, this medal game seems to be Būbū Mario. BUT, it could be something else. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 10:02, January 24, 2023 (CST)

==Super Mario Club (Famicom Network System)==
Hi, recently I read about a 'game' (more like software) that isn't mentioned much due to being on an obscure service for the Famicom called the {{wp|Famicom Network System}}. This software was for toy stores to provide Nintendo video game reviews and may be relevant in some way to the [[Mario Club Co., Ltd.]] Nintendo subsidiary. Mario and Luigi appear in a little animation within the software. I wrote all I could find about it with sources on our NIWA affiliate NintendoWiki [http://www.niwanetwork.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Club_(Famicom_Network_System) here], but I figure maybe it would be better for someone else to reword it so it isn't too similar in style. Could someone make the article here for me please? Thanks! ^^ [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 09:30, May 1, 2019 (EDT)
:Edit - There also may have been Super Mario Club software titles for Super Famicom called Super Mario Club Taikai You according to SNES game lists, and Wii ([https://tcrf.net/Wii_Sports#Config%20File according to a config.ini file within the code of Wii Sports]). [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 11:54, May 1, 2019 (EDT)
::If it's your own writing entirely, you could just copy the page over if you'd like. It's not plagiarism if you're copying your own work, though links and templates will have to be corrected. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:57, May 1, 2019 (EDT)

== Missing games ==

If anyone is reading this message, I have information regarding obscure Mario games and obscure donkey kong games as well as an obscure Tetris game that are missing from the list of games organized by system. If you're interested in adding all the games, reply to this discussion post. I've organized them all into separate categories on my phone's notepad. So, I have them ready to be sent to anyone who stumbles upon this message and wants to put them on that list. And they are all officially manufactured/endorsed by Nintendo. So, I have no unofficial games like Mario bros II for the Commodore 64 or the Amiga port of donkey kong. For those of you who don't know who I am, my username for this wiki is Lord Falafel and I've been looking for all these games since 2015 because I am an avid Mario fan and donkey kong fan and wanted to find all the games and media in those 2 franchises. I find obscure games from multiple franchises and add them to a physical notebook. But like I said earlier, I have added the Mario, donkey kong and Tetris games missing from the list of games organized by system onto my phone and therefore have them digitally archived. I joined this site recently and I hope there isn't another user with the name Lord Falafel. I also hope that what I want to do to help the aforementioned list on this site cover all the games on and not on the list doesn't come off as vandalization. I just want to help. So please, let me know if you're interested in adding all these titles and I'll read them off my phone and I'll put them in the same types of organized categories that I did a few days ago on my memo pad. That is all. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 15:21, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
:Nice to meet you! You don't need to worry about being marked as a vandal, unless you intend on doing something majorly wrong, which you don't.
:What are the games? And do you have a good source that claims they exist? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:11, May 16, 2019 (EDT)

I have good sources, yes. But I have so many games that i'll have to send a separate message for the sources and countries of origin. For now, i'll just tell you the names of the games and add the sources later. First category is officially licensed Adobe flash games on a website called Nintendo arcade. They were released from 2005-2007 and they were made to promote the games they were based on. The first ones have no available release dates. DK: jungle climber - banana grab (200?). Mario tennis: power tour - bicep bump (200?). Mario tennis: power tour - reflex rally (200?). New super Mario bros 1-up hunt! (200?). Wario: master of disguise trivia (200?). Yoshi's island DS - yoshi's egg toss (200?). These next ones all have confirmed release dates. DK: king of swing - hurling for distance (2005). DKC3 - barrel-blastapalooza (2005). Dr Mario vitamin toss (2005). Mario party 7 - bowser's lair hockey (2005). Super Mario strikers - heads up (2005). Super princess peach - parasol fall (2005). Mario hoops 3-on-3 - dribble skillz (2006). Mario vs. DK 2: cannon kaos (2006). Tetris DS puzzle mode (2006). Diddy kong racing DS - timber's balloon pop (2007). Super paper Mario memory match (2007). Second category is games on a website called play Nintendo. These games don't have available release dates, either. Mushroom kingdom match-up (20??). Donkey kong match-up (20??). Yoshi's new island match-up (201?). Mario stargazer (20??). Discover your amiibo inside (201?). Third category is small, tabletop electronic pinball games. One of them is called donkey kong and the other one is called donkey kong country. And they're both based on the current donkey kong. The donkey kong one has no available release date, but the donkey kong country one was released in 1995. The Mario ones are super Mario bros (1988), super Mario world (1992) and super Mario 64 (2003). I can't find any manufacturer information for the donkey kong ones, but the Mario ones were made by playtime. Fourth category is wrist watch LCD games. You already have the ones based on super Mario bros 3 and super Mario world, but you're missing the release date for the super Mario world watch. It's 1991. Now, to the ones you don't have. In 1989, they released wrist watch LCD games based on super Mario bros and super Mario bros 2. In 1990, the same year the super Mario bros 3 watch came out, they released Mario's egg catch, Luigi's hammer toss game and princess toadstool's castle run. In 1992, they released Dr Mario and super Mario race. The latter was based on super Mario kart. In 1994, they released donkey kong, which was based on donkey kong for the game boy or as some people like to call it, donkey kong '94. And all of them were made by Nelsonic, except for the Dr Mario one, which was made by a company called Mani. Fifth category is satellaview versions of games. In the list of games organized by system, in the satellaview section, there's an entry called BS wario's woods. But there are actually 2 satellaview versions of wario's woods and they are called wario's woods burst of laughter version and wario's woods again. Those are the actual English titles. They were released in 1995. The full on Wikipedia called list of games featuring Mario apparently found a 1997 release date for Mario paint BS ban and Mario paint yuushou naizou ban, satellaview versions of Mario paint. Sixth category is different versions of games. Pokka Mario bros is the first of these and it is a special edition of the game and watch game Mario bros and was released the same year, which is 1983. In 1986, they released a sharp X1 version of super Mario bros special. Nintendo themselves made 2 types of arcade systems that played some of their classic arcade and console games. One of these is the Nintendo playchoice-10, which you have. The other one, which you don't have is called the Nintendo super system and the only game I found for it was super Mario world and like the American version of super Mario world, it came out in 1991. Then there was donkey kong country competition cartridge, which came out in 1994. It was on the SNES. There was also an MS-DOS version of Mario's time machine called Mario's time machine deluxe and it was released in 1994. For the N64, they released an update of super Mario 64 called super Mario 64 shindou version and it came out in 1997. These last 2 are arcade games, but they're versions of games and are not their own games. The first one was double donkey kong. It composed of donkey kong and donkey kong Jr. It was made by braze technologies and it came out in 1999. Then came a 2005 version of the original donkey kong arcade game and this version was made by Namco. Seventh category is arcade games and boy oh boy, are there lots of these. The first ones have no available release dates. They are super Mario bros 3 (mini piccadilly), super Mario world (mini piccadilly), which were both made by Konami, Mario's rock-out, guruguru Mario, which were made by Banpresto, swanky's bonus slots, which was based on super donkey kong 2 and was made by a company called Sunwise and tori Mario, which is a kiddie ride like those penny eating horses you see at grocery stores and it was made by Banpresto. Up until Capcom made all those Mario party arcade games, Banpresto was the dominant third party developer for licensed Mario arcade games. Now, for the arcade games with available release dates. Piccadilly circus: super Mario bros 3. It was released in 1991 and it was made by Konami. The rest of these were made by Banpresto except for the fifth one which was made by Gottlieb and the last 2, which were made by Capcom. The first 4 Banpresto ones are a game simply titled Mario world, which came out in 1991, terebi denwa super Mario world (1992), super Mario world popcorn (1992) and shiny pika Mario (1992). The Gottlieb one was released in 1992 and it was simply titled super Mario bros. The other Banpresto ones were koopa taiji (1993), super Mario ride (Mario version) (1993), super Mario ride (yoshi version) (1993), super Mario kart dokidoki race (1994), super Mario attack (1996) and dokidoki Mario chance! (2003). The Capcom ones are Mario party fushigi no korokoro catcher 2 (2013) and Mario party fushigi no challenge world (2016). The eighth and final category is cancelled games. Let's start with donkey kong games and finish with Mario games. DK bongo blast was a cancelled title planned for the GameCube. There was a donkey kong parking attendant arcade game and it was going to be an arcade game made by Sega. Finally, there was a donkey kong game intended for a release on the Philips CD-I. We don't even know what the name was going to be. Finally, cancelled Mario games. First we have super Mario FX, which was intended for a SNES release. Then we have a build for a Mario kart game intended for the DS called Mario motors. Then we have Mario's castle which was going to be on a Nintendo made system that was also cancelled. It never got a confirmed final name for the system, but the demo name of it was project Atlantis. Orpheus software pitched a version of super Mario bros for the Commodore 64, but Nintendo rejected it. And finally, a Mario kart game that was intended to be built into Tesla cars. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 12:11, May 18, 2019 (EDT)

What I meant was the project Atlantis was a demo name for the system that was going to play Mario's castle and we never got a confirmed final name for the project Atlantis. I also made a mistake. I can't find any manufacturer information for the super Mario 64 electronic pinball machine. Next message will be the sources. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 12:26, May 18, 2019 (EDT)

I just reread the games on the list of games organized by system and I can't find the tech demo known as super Mario 128. So, that game also needs to be added to that list. Anyway, onto the sources. The super Mario wiki itself, not the list of games has a page about the website called Nintendo arcade, the same page has the flash games that were playable on that website, there's a page on play Nintendo and all the games and activities on that website, there's a page on the 1996 Banpresto arcade game called super Mario attack, so all of those pages are on the super Mario wiki, the page for wario's woods mentions the 2 satellaview versions of that game, the super Mario wiki mentions pokka Mario bros, super Mario bros special's page mentions all the versions including the sharp X1 version, the super Mario wiki mentions donkey kong country competition cartridge, Mario's time machine's page mentions the deluxe version and the 1994 release date for that version, the list of merchandise mentions a super Mario bros 3 based pachi slot game and that game happens to be super Mario bros 3 (mini piccadilly), the list of merchandise mentions the super Mario bros and super Mario 64 electronic pinball machines, it mentions the Gottlieb super Mario bros pinball machine and it has a page on the super Mario wiki, if you select capcom next to one of the Mario party arcade games on the list of games organized by system, it mentions Mario party fushigi no korokoro catcher (2013) and Mario party fushigi no challenge world (2016). And the latter is mentioned on the list of games by date. The full on Wikipedia called list of games featuring Mario mentions super Mario world watch's 1991 release date as well as super Mario bros watch (1989), super Mario bros 2 watch (1989) and super Mario race (1992). The page called list of Mario games Mariowiki fandom powered by wikia and is an alphabetized list of Mario and donkey kong games mentions Mario's egg catch, Luigi's hammer toss game and princess toadstool's castle run. If you look at the game watches within the Wikipedia page called Nelsonic industries, you will find one released in 1994 called donkey kong and selecting donkey kong (game boy) 's Wikipedia page, the wrist watch game by Nelsonic will be in the follow-ups article. A website called game watch guys mentions the Dr Mario game watch and the 1992 release date. With super Mario world the electronic pinball machine, it's a little more complicated. Go to Google and search super Mario world pinball playtime worthpoint. The website called worthpoint will show up with an article and when you open it, you will be shown a picture of the super Mario world electronic pinball machine and the release date says 1988. This is incorrect. What you have to do is scroll down the page and then you will find an accurate page with a picture of the same machine and it will mention the correct release date: 1992. So you have to then click on it and more information on that machine will show up like the name, the manufacturer, the release date among other stuff and the fact that it's rare. At least that happened to me. If you look up donkey kong country pinball machine on Google images, you will find images of that machine and the descriptions of some of the images will mention the 1995 release date. If you scroll down to see related images, you will hopefully find the donkey kong pinball machine with no available release date information. A website called international arcade museum will mention super Mario world for the Nintendo super system as well as double donkey kong and donkey kong 2005 version. There are forum boards called arcade coverage super Mario boards and they have 4 pages: Banpresto, Konami, Sunwise and Fabtek. The 4 forum boards mention lots of obscure Mario arcade games and a donkey kong arcade game and are all exclusively released in Japan except for the super Mario world redemption game, which is already on the list of games organized by system. They mention super Mario bros 3 (mini piccadilly), super Mario world (mini piccadilly), swanky's bonus slots which is alternatively known as swanky no bonus slot, piccadilly circus super Mario bros 3, Mario world, terebi denwa super Mario world, a Mario popcorn machine video game hybrid the forum boards people call super Mario world no popcorn hanbaiki which is often shortened to super Mario world popcorn and the 1992 release date was absent from the forum boards, but it was shown on a video on YouTube of that exact game and the video was posted by a Japanese youtuber who had mepr in his name and has since removed it, but if you go to YouTube and look up mepr, you will find the channel and then you have to look for his/her upload of that game and if you find it, then awesome and a few seconds into the video, the 1992 release date will show up in the video. The forum boards also mention koopa taiji, super Mario kart dokidoki race, super Mario attack, which also has a super Mario wiki page and dokidoki Mario chance! But the other arcade games have more complicated sources. 2 Twitter users use the same account called @yamapen3 and they also have a YouTube channel that is hard for me to find because their YouTube username is in Japanese. Another Twitter account is as far as I know only run by 1 person and the account is called Buhitter. Both of these Twitter accounts have pictures of Mario and donkey kong arcade games released exclusively in Japan. Sometimes, @yamapen3 will post their profile pictures on their finds, which are images available on Twitter and Google images. Those profile pictures are of the yo-kai watch anime characters known as Lily Adams and Katie Forester. They have profile picture-less pictures on their images as well except for Mario's rock-out, which has no profile pictures on the exact same image thanks to Buhitter. And there's another picture of the machine on a carpet presumably in a building that preserves arcade games. And Mario's rock-out is the name of the machine according to Buhitter. @yamapen3 calls it super Mario's rock and pork souffle. Mario's rock-out sounds like a much more accurate name. The machine has a bunch of hands on it and buttons with hands as well as a hand light in the center of the machine and the top screen can say XXO, XOX, etc. And the very top of the machine is a plastic case and inside are a figure of Mario and a figure of yoshi and they look similar to the figure counterparts for the arcade game known as Mario undoukai. Guruguru Mario looks like those Mario piccadilly games, but this time it's made by Banpresto instead of Konami. On the center of the machine, Mario is riding on yoshi and pointing to an enemy for yoshi to eat and yoshi is seen sticking his tongue out and enemies such as flying galoombas and eeries can be seen on the machine, but the most defining feature has to be the red number 14 on the top right of the machine. Then comes tori Mario and it is just cape Mario flying. That's what it looks like. Shiny pika Mario is the hardest of these to find, but koopas, yoshis, bowsers, peaches and Marios are used for the pictures and it looks like a slot machine. To the game's right but your left is a set of stairs. To the game's left but your right is a sailor moon arcade game. The last 2 @yamapen3 found were the Mario version of super Mario ride and the yoshi version of super Mario ride. And according to a couple of videos each showing a version of the battery car ride, the descriptions say they both came out in 1993. For Google images, the Mario version is a yellow battery car and it has a red M inside a white circle in the center of the ride as well as a tiny figure of Mario on the top. The yoshi version is green because it is yoshi's body and on it are a galoomba, a toad with a candy cane-like pattern on his top and a speckled mushroom growing on that top. The game called super Mario FX, which was cancelled has a page on the Nintendo fandom powered by wikia. But the rest of the games are on the super Mario wiki and are even in the list of unreleased media. Super Mario 64 shindou edition is the actual name of super Mario 64 shindou version and an article of the update can be found on a website called N64 today. I think that is all. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 14:00, May 18, 2019 (EDT)
:... Wow. 
:We actually already have a page for [[Nintendo Arcade]] and most of the Flash games there. We also have a [[Play Nintendo]] article. Both could use some finishing touches. There's also [[Super Mario Bros. (pinball)]], but we don't appear to have articles for the other too. I'm not finding the Super Mario World Game Watch page you say we have. 
:The [[Satellaview]] article covers what you said. [[Mario's Time Machine]] and [[Super Mario 64]] cover both versions of the game (Deluxe and Shindou). The Nintendo Super System, we don't appear to have.
:I don't have time to look over the list of arcades you gave, but I know we have the Mario Party ones.
:Super Mario FX doesn't exist, never has. It was the codename for the FX chip itself.
:We also cover the [[Peach's Castle (tech demo)]]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:03, May 18, 2019 (EDT)

To add to that, the super Mario world game watch is called by the list of games featuring Mario super Mario brothers 4. So, it's there. It doesn't have it's own page, but it's on that Wikipedia. If you're having trouble finding the super Mario world watch on the list of games organized by system, it's 1 of the 2 games in the "game watch" section in the "other" category after mobile and before references. It's also in the toys category in the list of merchandise. Yes, peach's castle the 2001 tech demo exists, but a game watch by Nelsonic was released 11 years before that with a similar name, princess toadstool's castle run. If you don't have time to add all those games right now, that's fine. But please, with all due respect, add them all when you do have time. As for super Mario FX, ok. Fair enough. And some bonus information I didn't add earlier that I thought I could add now, super Mario 128 has a super Mario wiki page as well. Earlier I only told you about the demo, but I didn't add a source. Thank you very much for reading my messages and giving me time to do all of this. It took a lot of effort and time out of my day. I'm so happy to help the Mario community. If I find anymore information about any of the games I sent you or find additional games, I will send another message. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 15:06, May 18, 2019 (EDT)

@Alex95, I wrote the [[Nintendo Arcade]] page and IT'S PERFECT >:( {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 17:38, May 18, 2019 (EDT)

Not to offend you, bye guy but there is 1 flaw. A few games are in red and no pages have been written for those games. Other than that, I think it's a very well written page. All I want is for all the games I sent to be put on the list of games organized by system. If Alex95 says the Nintendo arcade page needs touching up, it probably does. I don't know. I just find obscure games and archive them in a couple of physical notebooks. I hope I didn't offend you and if I did, i'm sorry. Just trying to help. Tell me, please. What do you think of my finds? [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 18:51, May 18, 2019 (EDT)
:You are not offending me in any way, don't worry :) Those red links have no pages because I could not find anything about those games on the internet other than their names. Otherwise, I would have written pages for them like I did with the other Nintendo Arcade games. Also, I love reading about obscure Mario media as much as the guy next door, so I'm glad you're attempting to bring them to the surface! {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 19:00, May 18, 2019 (EDT)

Bye guy, super Mario bros (pinball) the pinball machine by Gottlieb used to be on the list of games organized by system and it got removed. There was no reason for that. And the sequel called super Mario bros mushroom world is still on that list. That makes even less sense. Please get it back and tell them to keep it on the list. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 15:15, May 19, 2019 (EDT)

''Pokka Mario Bros.'' should not be included in this list. It is not a unique game but a branded promotional item; there's a Compari branded unit as well. [https://www.gameandwatch.ch/en/faq-questions-answers/promo-advertising-game-watch.html This G&W website] provides more information about branded units. I'm deleting Pokka from the list and making a note of branded promotional releases in the main G&W article.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 09:59, March 9, 2021 (EST)

== Credible source ==

I don't know if you guys know about this topic on this site or the site itself, but it has some pretty useful and accurate looking information. It's called beta & cancelled Mario videogames - unseen64 [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 11:06, June 10, 2019 (EDT)

== Citations ==

I don't know why you're all asking me for citations for both mini piccadilly Mario games and both versions of super Mario ride after I put them in one of my first comments to Alex95 and even if he didn't have time to look at them, they were available to everyone. But, here you go. The sources for the mini piccadilly Mario games come from the Konami forum of a collection of forum posts involving obscure Mario and donkey kong games called arcade coverage marioboards, the Mario forum. The other 3 are sunwise (who made swanky's bonus slots), fabtek (who made the super Mario world redemption game) and banpresto (who made a boatload of Mario games). The source for both versions of super Mario ride is from a Twitter account called @yamapen3 and they have archived many Japanese exclusive arcade games that are super obscure. Their finds are viewable on Twitter, Google images and their own YouTube channel, which I can't give you because I don't speak Japanese. But their profile pictures on their Twitter and YouTube accounts are of the yo-kai watch anime characters known as Lily Adams and Katie Forester. Sometimes, some games they preserved on Google images can be quite challenging to find, but if you look up "@yamapen3 Mario" on Google images, you might easily find all of the Mario stuff by banpresto that isn't on any of the super Mario boards forums. If you need to know what those games are, let me know. The Mario version of super Mario ride is a yellow battery car with a tiny Mario figure on top and on the front, there's a white circle that has a red M in the middle. The yoshi version is a green battery car and it's yoshi's body with a galoomba, a toad head and a candy cane-like patterned mushroom on its left and the mushroom is growing out of the toad head's top. One of @yamapen3's YouTube channel's videos has a description that says both versions came out in 1993. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 20:12, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

== More flash games ==

I was looking for some Mario flash games when I came across Skelux's page, where there's a section with a bunch of preserved Nintendo flash games and websites. Of course, not all of them are complete, but there are some that I notice aren't under the List of Games page. We have a game based on Donkey Konga, where you use the left, right, and down arrow keys and the space bar to hit parts of the bongos. There are also minigames you can play. Second, there is one based on Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, but it said that most of the files for it were missing, so I wasn't able to get anywhere. There is one based on Mario Kart: Double Dash!! where you drive around basic tracks and collecting content, the amount of which can be shown by a speedometer at the bottom left. Next, there is one based on Mario Party Advance, where you are presented with buttons that lead to 'Play Lands,' but I couldn't click on any of them because yet again, most of the files were missing. Next there are flash websites for Super Mario 64 DS and Super Mario Advance 3, but rather than games, they are websites to promote their respective games. Then there are 2 other flash websites for Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Warioware: Smooth Moves. Both of these sites have several files missing. Finally, there is one based on Wario World, but I couldn't exactly figure out how to go around. If someone knows, then please let me know. And that's it. If you want to make pages on some of these games, the link to Skelux's flash page is right here: http://skelux.net/flash.php
Signed --JacobH.5840 20:09, October 14, 2020

== Lego Super Mario ==

Should Lego Super Mario be in the mobile section?
-Ludexteria, October 25th 2020
:It's not a video game, it's a toy. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:52, October 25, 2020 (EDT)

== Mario Party 4 Flash Game ==

Recently, I downloaded flashpoint to continue playing my childhood flash games, and while looking through several searches, I found one for Mario Party 4, which was officialy put on Nintendo.com. I played a little of it, and I personally think it has the requirements to be a game on the list. It has a list of boards to choose from, which are themed around Toad, Shy Guy, Koopa Troopa, Goomba, and Boo, you click on a dice block to move around a board, there are item shops were you can actually get screensavers and backdrops for your computer, as well as minigames and fortune games that you can play. There's even an option to email your friends over to your house for a real party! In short, this is very good in terms of old Nintendo flash games. Unfortunately, there is no specified release date or year, but I'd be willing to bet it came out around the same time Mario Party 4 did, either 2002 or 2003. Nonetheless, the game is impressive, and I thought I'd bring it to the wiki's attention.
--[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 00:18, January 10, 2021 (EST)

== Two more flash games. ==

Also on Flashpoint are two more Mario Flash games. The first is called Mario Trivia, which features 3 sets of 10 mario trivia questions, set into easy, medium, and difficult. That's really all there is to it, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Also, it was released in 2010 at the earliest, because one of the questions is "Which Mario Game celebrated its 10th anniversary in 2010?," to which Super Mario Bros. is the answer. 

Secondly, there is a trivia game that was linked from the official Mario Party 7 website. This game is called Mario Party 7 Bon Voyage Quiz, where if you answer 5 questions right, you advance throughout this backdrop on a boat, but you will lose if you come short of getting all 5 right. 
This edit was made just mere minutes after the Mario Party 4 flash game edit, so I may make one more edit if I find more flash games, but I doubt it.
--[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 00:45, January 10, 2021 (EST)

== Name ==

Shouldn't this be called "{{fake link|List of games by system}}"? It would be a little better to understand this list's title's purpose now that we have the [[Lists of games]] disambiguation page. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 15:39, February 21, 2021 (EST)
:Yeah, I think so too. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 17:05, February 21, 2021 (EST)

== King k roller ==

Someone check this out and see if it should be added{{unsigned|Bobster}}
:That seems to be a fangame, so definitely not. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 21:37, March 27, 2021 (EDT)

== Adobe Shockwave, not flash ==

i saw that 3 games in the "adobe flash" section (Donkey Konk, Mario's Memory Madness and Wario's Whack attack) are actually from Adobe Shockwave, could someone add a section called "adobe shockwave", add these games and remove them from the "adobe flash" section ?

Thanks, Mariobot128 {{unsigned|176.145.90.31}}

== Even more adobe flash and shockwave games ==

Ok, so last time I said I found some flash/shockwave mario games not on the wiki yet, I said that I doubted I would find more. Boy was I wrong, as I found not 1, not 2, but SIXTEEN MORE GAMES. I'm going to list them all, so this is going to be a long post, and I still have to play most of them as I'm typing this. First up, there's a minigame in Mario Party Advance called Bill Bounce where the character has to bounce on as many bullet bills as they can. It turns out that it was turned into a promotional flash game I assume around MPA's release. (Hint: a lot of these are going to be adaptations of Mario Party minigames). The second game is Crazy Counting, which is a version of Roll Call from Mario Party 2, but with toads and the twist that there are some real mushrooms in the crowd that don't count. The third game is Dinky Rinky, a version of Speed Hockey, again from MP2. Although it has a different arrangement for what paddles you control. The fourth game is actually unique, called the "Donkey Kong 64 Lore Quiz." It's basically a quiz on the story of DK64. The fifth game is Goodness Rakes, a 1-player adaptation of Rakin' 'em in, again from MP2, but with a computer Bowser as your opponent. The sixth game is Mario Memory, which I can assume is from the DS era at the earliest, since it features "ds" in the source link at Nintendo.com. Aside from that, it's essentially a basic memory matching game with different mario characters. The seventh game is sourced to Marioparty2.com, but I couldn't find the minigame it's based on, meaning it could be unique. The game itself is called Melon Mayhem, and you have to choose out of 5 different pumps in front of you. One of them causes the watermelon behind some glass to explode, but if you choose 3 in a row that don't cause it to explode, then you win. The eighth game is called "Mini-Mario Factory game!" and is actually more complex than the other games. You have to toss mini-mario toys past Donkey Kong to the storefront, then press separate keys to let the toads into the store and to sell the toys. If they pile up too much in one location, indicated by 3 different meters, then the game ends. Your goal is to sell as much mini-mario toys as possible. The ninth game is called Nomiss, and is a match the rhythm game based on the Space Land board from MP2. The tenth game is called Power Meter, and is basically just a golf swing simulation based on N64 Mario Golf. The eleventh game is called "Mario Strikers Advergame" and features you clicking soccer balls to kick into the goal and earn 10 points for every ball you kick in. It is elimination-based, meaning that the character with the least amount of points is eliminated. The twelfth game is "Virus Attack", which is basically a clone of Space Invaders with the Dr. Mario viruses in place of the aliens. The last 4 games are going to be put in 1 entry, and I'll explain why. Around the time of Wario Land 4's release, Nintendo made a microsite to promote the game called "Welcome to Greedville," a Wario-based town. It actually features unique Wario voice lines that are nowhere else in the entire Mario series. There are several attractions, some of which feature games. The first attraction of this kind is Wario's Arcade, featuring 3 of the 4 games. These are Grab Bag, an adaptation of a traditional arcade claw game, Crazy Caps, an adaptation of the follow-the right one game where you have to choose the right Wario hat to find the coin, and Dunk Tank, where you pull a slingshot back to dunk Wario. The other attraction to have a game is the Greed School, which has an endless quiz with questions that you have to answer as Wario would. For playing these games, you get Wario bucks to spend at the Wario Mart, which has things like wallpapers and screensavers. I hope the wiki takes note of all these games, as I haven't seen them anywhere else. I used Bluemaxima's Flashpoint to play these games, and is where I found them. If anyone wants to ask, I could include screenshots for a couple of these games. --[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 15:38, April 24, 2021 (EDT)

Ok, just saying, it's been over a month since I pointed these games out, and none of them have been added. I would seriously appreciate it if someone added all of these to the list. I'll even provide screenshots in case pages are made for these games. The same goes for flash games that I pointed out earlier than this. --[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 13:47, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
:There's one crucial thing to take into consideration first: are these fan-made or official and made by Nintendo? If the former, we're definitely not adding them. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 14:13, June 4, 2021 (EDT) Actually, they are either made or published by Nintendo. Most of them are even sourced to Nintendo websites. I actually posted screenshots of most of the mentioned games below and if you lookm closely at some of them, you can see that they were published by Nintendo. --[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 15:08, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
::Ok, is anyone going to follow up on this whole section? These are a lot of Nintendo made/published flash games that are only on the discussion page and I would appreciate it quite a bit if someone added them to the list. They're not fangames. They are genuine Nintendo games used to promote their games and as part of other activities Nintendo has hosted over the years. --[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 18:58, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

== Flash game screenshots ==
<gallery>
File:Billbouncescreenshotingame.png|Bill Bounce
File:Crazycountingscreenshot.png|Crazy Counting
File:Dinkyrinkyscreenshot.png|thumb|Dinky Rinky
File:Donkeykong64lorequizscreenshot.png|Donkey Kong 64 Lore Quiz
File:Goodnessrakesscreenshot.png|Goodness Rake
File:Mariostrikersadvergamescreenshot.png|thumb|Mario Strikers Advergame
File:Melonmayhemscreenshot.png|Melon Mayhem
File:Minimariofactorygamescreenshot.png|thumb|Mini-Mario Factory Game!
File:Nomissscrenshot.png|Nomiss
File:Powermeterscreenshot.png|Power Meter
File:Virusattackscreenshot.png|Virus Attack
File:Welcometogreedvilescreenshotarcade .png|Arcade
File:Welcometogreedvilescreenshotgreedtest.png|Greed Test
File:Welcometogreedvilescreenshothub.png|Welcome to Greedville hub
</gallery>
--[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 14:50, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

== Again, more adobe flash/shockwave games  ==

Ok, I thought last time that I had finished finding all of the official Nintendo-made flash/shockwave games, but low and behold, I have a couple more, again found using the Bluemaxima's Flashpoint archive. The first one is a Shockwave game called WarioWare Twisted Marble Maze Game, which was developed by some company called VPI.net but officially published by Nintendo and another company called KOL. The premise is similar to other tilting maze games. You have to rotate a circular maze and collect all of the collectibles in the maze to advance to the next round. What's notable is that this game is 3D, which is something not often seen in official Nintendo Flash/Shockwave games. The second game is called 任天堂大辞典 第壱巻, and unfortunately I need a translator to find out anything about it, as all of it is in Japanese. What I do know is that it does feature a selection of Mario characters and other Nintendo franchise characters. It was developed by a company called FUNNY SOFT (yes all of it is capitalized), and was officially published by 2 companies. One of them was called SoftBusiness, and of course, the other company is Nintendo. Other information about this I have found is that it dates back to 1998, and the version I played is hacked to quote "Converted from the EXEs, Hacked to not start in fullscreen and switch between SWFs and not EXEs. First button on title screen starts the opening in fullscreen." These are the official notes on the game in the Flashpoint program. So to finish off, these games are technically not made by Nintendo, but Nintendo did publish them, and shouldn't that make them official? --[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 17:05, June 30, 2021 (EDT)

== Take a guess. You know what it is at this point. More official flash/shockwave games ==

Ok. I thought I REALLY had it finished when I talked about those 2 previous games in the previous section, but again, I have found ANOTHER official Mario flash game, yet again found with the BlueMaxima's Flashpoint archive. I'm really starting to get tired of this, and likely the people who review this page are too. So, if I find more, I will only talk about them on here if I'm COMPLETELY CERTAIN that I have found them all. But, with that out of the way, onto the game. This one is called "Are You Smarter Than Mario?" obviously a parody of the game show "Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?". Surprisingly enough, the parody goes beyond the title and into the actual gameplay. You choose a category for the question you want. There are 5 categories in total, which are Games, People, Nintendo History, Characters, and Places. Further into the parody of "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader" Every time you get a question right, your points increase similarly to the show (Idk if I got that part wrong. I'm not the biggest fan of the show so I don't know that much about it). Finally, just like the show, you can ask Mario for an answer if you get stuck. There is an issue with the game in Flashpoint though. For some questions, they're supposed to give you a picture or a piece of music, and you are supposed to guess where it's from. The problem is that due to the state that this game has been preserved in, the files for some of the pictures and music are missing, leaving you to blindly guessing. Thankfully, the notes in Flashpoint tell you the answers to these "Broken questions".  This game was developed by either a company or more likely individual named Mike Dobbins, but was officially published by Nintendo themselves, which is what makes this game official. I apologize if the people in charge of this article and discussion page are getting tired of all of these flash/shockwave games I'm pointing out. Believe me, I'm starting to get tired of it too. I sincerely hope that the people who moderate this page take all of the games that I have mentioned into consideration, as they are all official and preserved inside the BlueMaxima's Flashpoint archive. With that, I hope I won't have to post anymore flash/shockwave games on here, but I might if there is still more to find. Goodbye. --[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 23:20, July 4, 2021 (EDT)

== Finally some info about Yoshi's Egg Toss ==

Ok, so I know that at this point, you've come to expect nothing but official Mario flash games from me at this point, as I have pointed out over 20 official Mario flash/shockwave games that aren't featured on the article itself. But while I may be wrong, I am almost certain that I have found all I can. But today, I have finally found some information about one game that's already on the article: Yoshi's Island DS: Yoshi's Egg Toss. For a while now, it and two other games: Wario: Master of Disguise Trivia, and New Super Mario Bros. 1-Up Hunt! have been listed in the adobe flash section of the article, but have no pages about them and to my knowledge, no info on the internet about them aside from their titles. I even tried searching for these games myself a few months ago, but found nothing. Now, however, I have searched for them again, and while I haven't found anything about Wario: Master of Disguise Trivia or New Super Mario Bros. 1-Up Hunt! yet, I have found something else. I have found this video on YouTube with less than 100 views as I am typing this, uploaded by a channel called WaltVS. on May 30, 2021. In the video, he gives us full gameplay of Yoshi's Egg Toss along with footage of the preserved Yoshi's Island DS website. I will leave a link to the video below, and I sincerely hope that this game can be properly documented on the wiki. Thank you.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZt3pEUD2Ko
--[[User:JacobH.5840|JacobH.5840]] ([[User talk:JacobH.5840|talk]]) 16:36, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

== Tennis for NES and Gameboy ==

Hi, I noticed that the original Tennis game for NES and Gameboy isn't on this page, and Mario is the referee in that game, if I recall correctly. If games such as Golf, Tetris, and Alleyway count, should Tennis also count? {{unsigned|Eoncats}}
:Every game on this list has a Wiki page, which implies per [[MarioWiki:Coverage|the coverage policy]] that Mario plays a more active role than in Tennis or Punch-Out!!. NES Tetris wouldn't qualify on its own but does as a hanger-on to GB Tetris. [[User:Sarisa|Sarisa]] ([[User talk:Sarisa|talk]]) 18:56, December 24, 2022 (EST)

== SMB/Duck Hunt/World Class Track Meet NES cartridges?  ==

I'm wondering why the NES category doesn't include the combo paks Super Mario Bros. was also bundled with:
- Super Mario Bros. / Duck Hunt
- Super Mario Bros. / Duck Hunt / World Class Track Meet

Not sure if their lack of inclusion is intentional or not. I also couldn't find wiki pages for them either. I noticed the list includes what I would consider another combo-type release: New Super Mario Bros. U + New Super Luigi U. {{unsigned|Spudos}}
:Per [[MarioWiki:Coverage#Package_deals|our coverage policy]] those don't get full coverage since it's just the same game packaged with unrelated games. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:44, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
::Point, but maybe you could give it partial coverage? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 14:55, December 13, 2022 (CST)

== Mario Kart Wii Nvidia Shield port ==


The Nvidia Shield ports were [https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/08/nvidia_shield_shutting_down_nintendo_wii_game_downloads_in_china unlisted in 2021] and the Mario Kart Wii port was never released since [https://youtu.be/FG-Gb63M3_8?t=56 the Chinese government never approved the game] according to one of the port's developers. However, the port is still listed as upcoming on this list. Shouldn't it be removed from this list and mentioned in the [[list of unreleased media]]? [[User:1468z|1468z]] ([[User talk:1468z|talk]]) 12:34, February 12, 2023 (EST)
:After some searching I found out that the server for Nvidia Shield games was [https://twitter.com/chinesenintendo/status/1525081815593418752 shut down in 2022 because the system was discontinued in China], so I decided to remove Mario Kart Wii from the list since it confirms that it will not release. [[User:1468z|1468z]] ([[User talk:1468z|talk]]) 13:23, February 13, 2023 (EST)

== Game demos ==

Should the digital game demos on the [[Nintendo eShop]] be here? Like, some Mario games do have them. They are games. {{unsigned|Mario Guy Man}}

== Why the Change? ==

I want to know, why someone change the order of the games in this list? It's used to be Console/Handheld/Arcade/Others but now it's Arcade/Handheld/Console/Others, just WHY? Console should be first because the Nintendo Switch is considered until now a console here and now its all the way down in the end of the page, that's not good at all. If you want to keep this order for whatever reason, create a Hybrid section to see the Switch games in the top of the page, please, the Switch section is way more important than all the other ones, since it's the most active of them all and needs to be displayed higher in the page as possible. {{unsigned|201.95.222.199}}
:I have similar concerns. While the page itself has been reordered since this question was asked, the current organization is still not intuitive (for instance, the Barcode Battler II is labeled a home console, which it is certainly not, and water toys are given the same weight as handheld consoles). And looking at the page's history the total overhaul seems to have been done unilaterally by a single editor without any prior discussion, but forgive me if I'm mistaken on that end. [[User:AZealousIndividual|AZealousIndividual]] ([[User talk:AZealousIndividual|talk]]) 23:52, August 6, 2023 (EDT)
::Given there seems to still be kind of a back-and-forth of edits targeting this page's layout I take it there isn't a consensus on what it should be? I'm new to the wiki so I'm not sure where to check that sort of thing or how these sorts of problems are typically resolved. >< [[User:AZealousIndividual|AZealousIndividual]] ([[User talk:AZealousIndividual|talk]]) 10:59, August 19, 2023 (EDT)

== Expand the e-Reader section ==

Acording to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_%26_Watch_ports_and_remakes| this Wikipedia page], there is another Game & Watch called "Game & Watch-e", so we should add to the [[e-Reader]] section?

[[User:Perfection|Perfection]] ([[User talk:Perfection|talk]]) 09:30, 27/01/2024 (UTC)
:The Game & Watch-e is a canceled game, and it's in the [[List_of_unreleased_media#Game_.26_Watch-e|list of canceled games]]. {{User:Pinwin/sig}} 18:37, July 13, 2024 (CET)

== Change the date scheme and resort by chronology ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-5|no change}}
The "YYYY / MM / DD" and "YYYY / MM" readings literally make no sense to me. However, the good news is, I was wondering if there's a possibility to use the "<month> <day>, <year>" and "<month> <year>" readings and improve their sorting using <code><nowiki>{{sort|YYYY / MM / DD|<month> <day>, <year>}}</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>{{sort|YYYY / MM|<month> <year>}}</nowiki></code> respectively.

'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBB}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 24, 2024, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|GuntherBB}} Per proposal

===Oppose===
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} The current arrangement is more precise for chronological order. For instance, you could easily find all games from 2014 because the year comes first. Otherwise, you would just be looking at random, unrelated numbers (month and day) first, having to sort through the numbers to find the year. This setup is more practical for casual reading.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} The MM/DD/YYYY date format is basically only used in Northern America, and is very confusing to more or less the rest of the world because the DD/MM/YYYY format is much more widespread, including in English-speaking countries such as UK and Australia. A non Northern American person who would read that ''Paper Mario'' was released on 08/11/2000 in Japan may misinterpret the date as "8th of November, 2000" instead of "August 11, 2000". The YYYY/MM/DD format that is currently used in the article does not have this ambiguity and is commonly accepted as an international standard.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per Jdtendo especially--while MM/DD/YYYY is the standard in American English (which is what the wiki uses for the most part), it is absolutely ''not'' the global standard; and in this case, we don't see any harm in specifically using the global standard over the American English standard. It doesn't take that much effort to understand if you're accustomed to the American English way, whereas anyone who doesn't will already have zero problems understanding the dates.
#{{User|YoYo}} when asking about when games release, the year is the most important part: its literally the thing people will be asking about the most. and as for the "standard" replacement of MM/DD/YYYY, that's used far less than the most common format: DD/MM/YYYY. That, however, is irrelevant. what is relevant is the fact that the year is the most crucial information. so keep it as it is.
#{{User|LadySophie17}} YYYY/MM/DD is standard for ordering things chronologically. Also I am morally obligated to oppose MM/DD/YYYY.

===Comments===
This is a little silly, but the proposal's name seems kind of like a misnomer to us? "Broadening the scope" of List of Games, to us, sounds like an attempt to re-define what counts as a game so as to include more things on it--y'know, ''broadening'' the definition of a Game so the List has more things in it... Except, this proposal is about changing the date scheme used, and we already gladly include stuff like [[Mario Calculator]] on this list anyways. ;P {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 13:46, February 16, 2024 (EST)

Might be worth revisiting an [https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/35#Impose_a_standard_for_dates old proposal I did concerning formatting for month, day, year.] The votes here are contradicting with this proposal. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:58, February 16, 2024 (EST)
: Y'know? Now that you bring it up, that might be good just so we don't have two different standards--one only used on a very commonly visited article, while another is used ''literally everywhere else''. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 18:47, February 16, 2024 (EST)
::Personally, I would be fine with formatting the date as "Aug 11, 2000" which is legible enough and non-ambiguous, but "08/11/2000" in numeric-only form would be harmful as I explained in my vote. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 01:47, February 17, 2024 (EST)

== A couple Flash games ==

Ok, so there's a couple flash games I saw that don't seem to have pages. The first one is called "Crafty Collage Maker", in which you make a scene using a bunch of different cardboard-esque sprites from the game (Yoshi's Crafted World). The second and third are the Mcdonalds flash games, known as "Mario's Driving Range" and "Jammin' with Mario". Not much is known about these, but they were licensed by Nintendo. The fourth is "WarioWare Advergame". (at least, that's the title of the page on Flashpoint). It's a mini collection of microgames. The fifth is "WarioWare Touched!: Find Wario and Friends". This is a Where's Waldo-esque game where you have to click on different characters from the Wario franchise. That's it. [[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 13:39, July 22, 2024 (EDT)

:The ''[[Crafty Collage Maker]]'' has a page. We don't know anything about ''Mario's Driving Range'' and ''Jammin' with Mario'', all we can do is write an empty page [[New Super Mario Bros. 1-Up Hunt!|like this]]. ''WarioWare Advergame'' doesn't have a page, but it is fully achieved and playable. {{User:Pinwin/sig}} 20:17, September 12, 2024 (CET)

== A couple more flash games ==

Ok, There's a few more.  The first one is called "Read the Unfinished Donkey Kong Country Story and Finish the Adventure!". You read the first 6 frames of a Donkey Kong Country story and then drag and drop pictures to finish the story. second is "Lego Super Mario Find The Pairs". It's a Lego Mario-themed matching game. [[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 13:40, July 22, 2024 (EDT)

:''Lego Super Mario Find The Pairs'' isn't a flash game, it is coded on HTML 5 and was published on official Lego website. {{User:Pinwin/sig}} 20:25, September 12, 2024 (CET)

== FamicomBox and Super FamicomBox  ==


Should these systems and games have pages? these systems were used in stores and hotels in Japan, and featured a few Mario games (FamicomBox: Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros., Golf, Wrecking Crew, and Punch-Out!! Super FamicomBox: Super Mario Kart, Super Mario Collection, Super Donkey Kong). While these are basically ports of the aforementioned games, there was a slight(?) difference. The games released for the system were either a) demos or b) pay-to-play games, depending on the system. [[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 15:39, July 22, 2024 (EDT)

== Some HTML, Flash, and Shockwave games ==

Hi!

I found a couple HTML5 and Adobe Shockwave games that do not have pages (plus an Adobe Flash game).

First, Which Mushroom Kingdom Character Would Be Your BFF (Not to be confused with the Play Nintendo game known as Who's Your Mushroom Kingdom BFF)? This is a HTML game that was on the Disney Now app.

Second, Lego Super Mario Find The Pairs. I am adding this in here again as I put it in with the Flash games last time, when it is actually an HTML game.

Third, Donkey Kong Country Family Portrait/Create-n-Send a Donkey Kong Country Family Portrait. You take various DKC characters and place them onto one of three backgrounds, and then you can send the resulting image to a friend. There is a article on TCRF for more info: https://tcrf.net/Create-n-Send_a_Donkey_Kong_Country_Family_Portrait (This was Adobe Flash).

Fourth, Welcome to Nintendo World! This was for Nintendo's 1998 Company Report. You can click around through both the "Future" and "Nintendo Museum" sections, which bring up a submenu where you can pick from a list of either future or past Nintendo games. Clicking on one brings up a video of the corresponding game, along with some text. This was an Adobe Shockwave game.

Fifth, Paint Boy. This was an Adobe Shockwave game where you can choose from a few different "screens" for a Game Boy Color (some of these feature Mario characters), and then paint the Game Boy Color.

Sixth, NintendoVIP Star Catalog Home Live Wallpaper. This Flash game allows you to click around through a hotel area. The main room features a cardboard-looking statue of Donkey Kong, and the corridor features a Paper Mario-esque Toad eating wallpaper(?).

Seventh, ファミコン 全国一斉クイズ 練習 (or Famicom Zenkoku Issei Quiz Renshuu). This is an HTML game that takes the form of a quiz about various Famicom games. There is a 30 second time limit per question. It is possible to take this quiz once a month at certain times (whilst being logged in to your Nintendo account). The provided screenshot is from an example video of the quiz found on the site.

Eighth, Mario & Luigi Joke Spinner. I couldn't find any concrete evidence that this is official, though it looks like it is (there's GBA copyright stuff in the bottom right, screenshots of the game come up when you land on the "?" on the wheel).

Here are some screenshots: 
[[File:Lego Super Mario Find The Pairs.jpg|thumb|center|Lego Super Mario Find The Pairs]] 
[[File:Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga Joke Spinner.jpg|thumb|center|Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga Joke Spinner]]
[[File:Welcome to Nintendo World!.jpg|thumb|center|Welcome to Nintendo World!]]
[[File:Paint Boy.jpg|thumb|center|Paint Boy]]
[[File:Famicom Zenkoku Issei Quiz Renshuu.jpg|thumb|center|Famicom Zenkoku Issei Quiz Renshuu]]
[[File:NintendoVIP Star Catalog Home Live Wallpaper.jpg|thumb|NintendoVIP Star Catalog Home Live Wallpaper]]

[[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 10:51, September 16, 2024 (EDT) Nelsonic

== Found some extremely obscure Banpresto arcade games ==

Hello, I am brand new to this wiki. (As in joining like a few hours ago). So if I do something here that is against the guidelines, my apologies. I don't intend on doing anything wrong. I just want to make this wiki even more comprehensive then it already is.

Anyways, a couple months ago I was researching Japan-exclusive Mario arcade games from the 90's, trying to find more information about them. And I stumbled across some that have little to no documentation on the internet. Even less than the ones on this wiki. So I am taking this opportunity as a member on this wiki to reveal my discoveries.

The first batch of games I found was from the Undumped Wiki. A wiki documenting games that haven't been dumped onto the internet. Including 3 games that haven't been documented on the wiki.

First, we have Mario no Daibouken. Which was released in 1991 according to the wiki. The only mention of this machine in anything ever is on page 20 in the 398th issue of Game Machine magazine. Thats it. Its just the Undumped Wiki, and Game Machine. There's not even an image of it.

Here's a link to the page: https://undumped.miraheze.org/wiki/Mario_no_Daibouken

Next is something really interesting. A Super Mario World-themed balloon vending machine. This seemed to come out around the same time as the popcorn machine (that being 1993, even though the wiki page says 1992). Just like with Mario no Daibouken, the Undumped Wiki's source for the existence of this machine is an issue of Game Machine, this time it's page 23 of issue 459. And we actually get to see it! Even though its low quality. But if that isn't enough, I found this image of another magazine which has a mock up of the machine with the popcorn machine alongside it.

Here's the link to the Undumped Wiki page: https://undumped.miraheze.org/wiki/Super_Mario_World_Balloon_vending_machine

And here's the image I found: https://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/dr000/auc0505/users/c8fe662bb4dd3d28b4611af86cd4ae7e04a6b65f/i-img1198x898-17158360265dlirj1286.jpg

Lastly, I'm not sure if this is a completely different game on its own, or if its just a prototype version of an already existing arcade game. But according to the Undumped Wiki, this is an original game. That being “Go! Go! Mario Circuit”. This is nearly identical to Super Mario Kart: Doki Doki Race. But the track is different. There's also an “argument” if you want to call it that on the Doki Doki Race talk page in a request to change the name to Go! Go! Mario Circuit. The only way we can tell if this is a prototype of Doki Doki Race is seeing one out in the wild. Will definitely do more research on this.

Here's a link to the Undumped Wiki page: https://undumped.miraheze.org/wiki/Go!_Go!_Mario_Circuit

The other and last batch of games I found weren't from wikis, but rather my research. These arcade games might be the most obscure Mario games ever created.

First, we have not one, nor two, but four arcade games based on Yoshi's Island. I can't figure out the names of these things, but the first one I know goes along the lines of “Yoshi's Island: Magical Seven”. Which looks like a typical slot machine.

Here's an image I found: https://auc-pctr.c.yimg.jp/i/auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/dr000/auc0505/users/c8fe662bb4dd3d28b4611af86cd4ae7e04a6b65f/i-img767x1024-1715831692i4olv61135.jpg?pri=l&w=300&h=300&up=0&nf_src=sy&nf_path=images/auc/pc/top/image/1.0.3/na_170x170.png&nf_st=200

The other 3 I couldn't figure out the names. The first one seems to feature light up colored squares. Can't figure out the gameplay unfortunately. The second looks to have gameplay similar to Janken Fukubiki: Super Mario World. And the third one also looks to be a slot machine. Strangly, the image I found heavily featured school supplies as if you could win them from the machines. I don't know Japanese so maybe someone out there could translate these.

Here's the image: https://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/dr000/auc0505/users/c8fe662bb4dd3d28b4611af86cd4ae7e04a6b65f/i-img1198x898-1715834100emekix30.jpg

And lastly for this post, I found a Donkey Kong Country themed roulette machine. Don't know anything about it except it was made by Banpresto and it has Donkey Kong characters.

Here's the image (sorry for low quality): https://auc-pctr.c.yimg.jp/i/auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/dr000/auc0507/users/c8fe662bb4dd3d28b4611af86cd4ae7e04a6b65f/i-img767x1024-1722231358rwqhob264776.jpg?pri=l&w=300&h=300&up=0&nf_src=sy&nf_path=images/auc/pc/top/image/1.0.3/na_170x170.png&nf_st=200

And thats it! Of course, due to all of these coming from magazines or flyers, we don't know if any of these were released. But I wouldn't be surprised if they did considering how little we know of any of these. Once again, sorry if I somehow break the wiki rules, I know how strict they are and I just joined. Thank you for reading this.

[[User:Rykitu|Rykitu]] ([[User talk:Rykitu|talk]]) 15:42 September 25, 2024 (PST)

== Mario is Missing NES Europe game date ==

"Mario is Missing!" for the NES is missing the release date for the European release which is October 1993 according to the page for the game, the page has a reference (reference #4) to a link with it but there isn't actually a link so I'm not sure if that's the problem, but if this were to be added to the page, it would probably look like this:
{| class="wikitable sortable"
!#
!Game
!JP release
!NA release
!EU release
!AU release
!Developer(s)
|-
!23
|''[[Mario is Missing! (Nintendo Entertainment System)|Mario is Missing!]]'' (port)
|''N/A''
|1993 / 07
|1993 / 10
|''N/A''
|[[The Software Toolworks]], [[Radical Entertainment]]
|}
This problem might be for some other games, but I'm not checking every single game. (i dont know how to sign these, so just know this was made by random guy543)

==Donkey Kong Commodore INTV Port==

I don’t really want to post another thing in a talk page I already commented on without any resolution yet, but this has been bugging me for years and I need to set the record straight.

On the list, there’s a listing for a port of Donkey Kong for something called a "Commodore INTV". But when you try to find anything about such console, you’ll find nothing. The link it sends you is the Wikipedia page for the Commodore company, which mentions nothing on such computer even existing. Making the link pointless.

And I’m not the only one who noticed this. Because, as it turns out, you will get one result about this supposed computer. And its someone on Reddit asking people what it is for the reason of there being a Donkey Kong port on it.

So does this thing even exist? There is a chance it could be referring to the European version of the Commodore 64 port, which is different enough for it to be its own entry, but I doubt it because nowhere besides this wiki considers it to even exist. Its like the Famicom to the NES. You’ll find stuff if you search for "Famicom" because thats the Japanese name for the NES.

Please do something about this. I’m tired of this likely non-existent game being on this page.

[[User:Rykitu|Rykitu]] ([[User talk:Rykitu|talk]]) September 29, 2024 (PST)
:Deleted the entry 3 months later, and I got 2 thanks. Guess the deletion of the INTV was bound to happen. {{User|Rykitu}}

==Update on Banpresto findings==
So 2 weeks ago, I posted my findings on Banpresto machines on this page. Since then I found this website that has new information on some of those machines, and it’s pretty major.

Here’s the website: https://thetastates.com/eremeka/eremekaDisplay.php?search=yes&company=Banpresto

This website seemingly documents Banpresto machines, with some being the Mario ones I documented last time. So here are some updates that I want to make.

Firstly, Go! Go! Mario Circuit, while it isn’t on here it does show off a prototype of Doki Doki Race thats different from Go! Go! Mario Circuit, which raises even more questions since it’s believed that Doki Doki Race was a prototype of Go! Go! Mario Circuit and vice versa. So thats more evidence that such game exists, somewhere.

And now for a big one, remember those Yoshi’s Island machines I found last time? Well the rock-paper-scissors and roulette ones is listed on the website with more information! The rock-paper-scissors one is called “Can Can Club Super Mario Yoshi’s Island” and roulette one is called “Mazukar Seven Super Mario Yoshi’s Island”. We also got release dates for those, 1996.

And thats all I got for now. I’ll try to do more research on these and I’ll update you all again if I find anything important.

[[User:Rykitu|Rykitu]] ([[User talk:Rykitu|talk]]) October 13th, 2024

Update: Just found another game from the same website. Mario Medal Island, which was made by Sunwise and Epoch, similar to Swanky no Bonus Slot. This was also released in 1996.

Here’s the website link:https://thetastates.com/eremeka/eremekaDisplay.php?nameSearch=Mario&search=yes

[[User:Rykitu|Rykitu]] ([[User talk:Rykitu|talk]]) October 13th, 2024

== e-Reader Fun Match ==

Hi!

I just came across an Adobe Flash game that does not have a page. It is called e-Reader Fun Match (some of the cards available for matching feature images of either the box art or the screen of Donkey Kong Jr.), and was published by FEKids, an edutainment website(?) that eventually evolved into Funbrain. FEKids also published Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga Joke Spinner, which features a good bit of Nintendo copyright information at the bottom, making me think it is likely that this game is official as well. 

Here are some screenshots:

[[File:E-Reader Fun Match.jpg|thumb|left|e-Reader Fun Match title screen]]
[[File:E-Reader Fun Match Gameplay.jpg|thumb|left|e-Reader Fun Match gameplay ]]
[[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 22:50, November 13, 2024 (EST)Nelsonic

==Replace [[Welcome to Greedville]] with its Flash programs (''[[Wario's Grab Bag]]'', ''[[Greed $chool Test]]'', ''[[Wario's Dunk Tank]]'', ''[[Wario's Crazy Caps]]'')==
{{settled TPP}}
{{proposal outcome|passed|5-0|Remove and replace}}
The aforementioned Flash games used to be available from this list, until they were removed. I can understand the removal, as they could be considered minigames, but I would argue that Welcome to Greedville is a microsite that contains these, not a game itself (similar to how each ''WarioWare'' iQue Flash game is listed). Because of this, I think that we should remove Greedville from the list and replace it with the aforementioned Flash games.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Nelsonic}}<br/>
'''Deadline''': January 23, 2025, 23:59 GMT

====Remove and replace====
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Only once it was pointed out did I realize that "Welcome to Greedville" is probably just a header for the ''Wario Land 4'' microsite, and not the name of the microsite itself. Even if its name was ''Welcome to Greedville'', the microsite doesn't have any gameplay like the microsite for ''[[Donkey Konga (Flash game)|Donkey Konga]]''; it just exists to take you to the actual games.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per proposal; Welcome to Greedville isn't the minigame, it's the microsite that contains the minigames.
#{{User|Technetium}} Per all.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.

====Leave Welcome to Greedville where it is====

====Comments====
Somewhat related: if we do decide to not consider ''Welcome to Greedville'' a game, shouldn't we stop italicizing it? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:43, January 9, 2025 (EST)
:Good point. [[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 18:43, January 9, 2025 (EST)

==Move ''[[NES Classics (Flash game)|NES Classics]]'', ''[[Mario Power Tennis - Hammer Power]]'', and the computer version of ''[[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Flash game)|Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]]'' to the "Windows" section of the list of games==
{{settled TPP}}
{{proposal outcome|passed|6-0|Move to "Windows"}}
The aforementioned programs were available for download from the European Nintendo VIP site, though they are not Flash games. They are Macromedia programs, though they are not Flash games. They may have been made in Adobe Flash, though (in a similar manner to ''[[Welcome to Nintendo World!]]'', a program made in Shockwave yet released for Windows) they should be classified under what they were released for/as, not what tool they were developed with.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Nelsonic}}<br/>
'''Deadline''': January 24, 2025, 23:59 GMT

====Move them to "Windows"====
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} While Flash-''based'' as an engine (Or. Well. Macromedia based. It's complicated, and we're not about to recount the history of Macromedia Director and Adobe Flash here.), they are still downloaded games run as executables--we would know, we recently downloaded the ''TTYD'' one! Per proposal.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Camwoodstock.
#{{User|1468z}} Per all.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.

====Leave them classified as "Flash"====

====Comments====

==Remove [[The Lab (Flash game)|The Lab]] from the list of games and replace it with the activities it contained==
{{settled TPP}}
{{proposal outcome|passed|4-0|Remove and replace}}
As I stated in the Welcome to Greedville proposal, The Lab is the microsite that contained the ''Luigi's Mansion'' Flash programs, not a game itself. It has many interactive elements, but it still boils down to just being a ''Luigi's Mansion''-themed microsite. Because of this, I think The Lab should be replaced with the activities it contained.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Nelsonic}}<br/>
'''Deadline''': January 24, 2025, 23:59 GMT

====Remove and replace====
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} I support this as long as only the activities that already have their own articles are added, namely ''The Bookshelf'', ''The Drafting Table'', ''PolterCue'', and ''Ask Madame Clairvoya''. Spooky Movies and Screamshot Gallery are just viewers for videos and images, respectively.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} What we do to one, we should do to the other. Per proposal.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.

====Leave The Lab in the position it is presently in====

====Comments====

== Another minor Banpresto update ==

Recently I decided to continue my Banpresto research that I started around the time I joined this wiki. And while I don't have as much updates that I did last time, this is by far the most interesting arcade game I have found so far. That being Wario Busters, released in 1994 according to the website I found. The game is very similar to [[Koopa Taiji]] where you throw projectiles and aim for Bowser's mouth. Except this time it's a giant Wario head's mouth! The game seems to be themed after Mario & Wario with the games logo being shown on the sign and even Wanda is there. That is pretty much all I could find on this machine (like the other ones I found). The website I found this on seems to be created by the same person who had names for the Yoshi machines and Mario Medal Island. And just like those, and all of the other machines I found, all I could find for these machines were from magazines, and we don't know if these were ever released. But I will keep updating if I do find actual footage or an image of these machines out in the wild, or any new ones I find. Here is the website I found it on: https://thetastates.com/eremeka/eremekaDisplay.php?search=yes&nameSearch=Wario&yearLow=&yearHigh=&tag=&company={{User:Rykitu/sig}}

==Move the computer version of ''[[Donkey Konga 2 (Flash game)|Donkey Konga 2]]'' to the "Windows" section==
{{settled TPP}}
{{proposal outcome|passed|7-0|Kongs away}}
As I said in an [[Talk:List_of_games#Move_NES_Classics.2C_Mario_Power_Tennis_-_Hammer_Power.2C_and_the_computer_version_of_Paper_Mario:_The_Thousand-Year_Door_to_the_.22Windows.22_section_of_the_list_of_games|earlier proposal]] regarding similar games, this version of ''Donkey Konga 2'' was a computer application developed in Macromedia Flash, not a traditional .SWF-based {{wp|Adobe Flash}} game. Because of this, like ''[[NES Classics (Flash game)|NES Classics]]'', ''[[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Flash game)|Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]]'', and ''[[Mario Power Tennis - Hammer Power]]'' before it, I believe this game should be moved over to the "Windows" section, as opposed to remaining in the Adobe Flash section. 

'''Proposer''': {{User|Nelsonic}}<br/>
'''Deadline''': March 15, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Support - Kongs away===
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per the previous, similar proposals.
#{{User|1468z}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per previous proposals.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Does stuff like this even ''need'' a proposal? Seems very minor to me.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per proposal.

===Oppose - Kongs remain===

===Comments===

==Deciding the fate of the "lost" Mario arcade machines==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|6-1-0|Put them on list of games!}}
This one is going to require a lot of explaining so bear with me here.

If you've been on this wiki for long enough, you may have heard of these extremely obscure Mario arcade machines that were only released in Japan by various companies such as [[Banpresto]], [[Konami]] and [[Sunwise]]. These games include:

*[[Mario Roulette]]
*[[Piccadilly Circus: Super Mario Bros. 3]]
*[[Mario World (slot machine)]]
*[[Terebi Denwa: Super Mario World]]
*[[Super Mario World Popcorn]]
*[[Pika Pika Mario]]
*[[Janken Fukubiki: Super Mario World]]
*[[Koopa Taiji]]
*[[Būbū Mario]]
*[[Mario Undōkai]]
*[[Super Mario Kart: Doki Doki Race]]
*[[Super Donkey Kong 2 Swanky no Bonus Slot]]
*[[Super Mario Attack]]
*[[Super Mario Bros. 3 (Mini Piccadilly)]]
*[[Super Mario World (Mini Piccadilly)]]
*[[Guru Guru Mario]]
*[[Dokidoki Mario Chance!]]

All of these games have their spot on this list of games. However, ever since the discoveries of most of these machines [https://www.marioboards.com/threads/35652 10] [https://www.marioboards.com/threads/35637 years] [https://www.marioboards.com/threads/35663 ago] thanks to Borp on the Mario Boards, more have since been discovered to exist. And more information on the found ones were discovered. Before joining the Super Mario Wiki, I was heavily researching these machines and I managed to find more that for people on this wiki didn't know even existed. Not wanting to hoard this information, I created an account and made some discussions here regarding my findings. These new machines I found include:

*Mario no Daibouken (not to be confused with the [[Mario no Daibōken|VHS tape]] of the same name)
*Super Mario World balloon vending machine
*Go! Go! Mario Circuit
*Can Can Club Super Mario Yoshi's Island
*Mazukar Seven Super Mario Yoshi's Island
*Yoshi's Island themed rock-paper-scissors machine
*Yoshi's Island themed machine
*Donkey Kong Country themed roulette machine
*Mario Medal Island
*Wario Busters

If you want more information on these, you can read the sections on this talk page: "Found some extremely obscure Banpresto arcade games", "Update on Banpresto findings" and "Another minor Banpresto update". And if you're just as confused as me, you can comment a question and I will probably answer it.

The one problem with all of these is that not a single image of them exists in the wild. The only images and evidence that exist are in magazines. However, there is a chance they did release but no images exist at the moment. This is possible due to the scarcity of the info on these machines, and Guru Guru Mario's only evidence of existence is a [https://web.archive.org/web/20230329233931/https://twitter.com/yamapen3/status/962026578191380480 now deleted Twitter post with anime girls]. But I do feel like they deserve at least some representation on this wiki, so I want you all to vote on where these should go.

*<b>Put them on [[List of games]]</b> even though they have not been seen in the wild.
*<b>Put them on [[List of unreleased media]]</b> even though there's a chance they did release.
*<b>Keep on this talk page</b> if you think the other options are too speculative.

TL:DR (Although I encourage you to read the whole thing): I found the existence of several Mario arcade machines exclusive to Japan, but they're only in magazines and have not been seen in the wild.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Rykitu}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 6, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Put them on [[List of games]]!===
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} They released, ergo, they belong on the main list. Being incredibly obscure or lost media doesn't count as "unreleasing", that's not how that works. Simple-as.
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per Camwoodstock.
#{{User|Rykitu}} I wouldn't mind this option. I just think that it's kind of a stretch.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Maybe we should have a "List of media whose existence is unconfirmed", but in the meantime, it makes more sense to me to put them in the main List of games than putting in the List of unreleased media despite having no evidence that they actually are unreleased.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Camwoodstock.
#{{User|Kieran376}} Per Camwoodstock.

===Put them on [[List of unreleased media]]!===
#{{User|Rykitu}} This is the possibility I find the most likely to have happened.

===Keep on this talk page!===

===Comments!? (I need to know the differences between the Yoshi machines)===
{{@|Camwoodstock}} We don't know if they released. The only images available are from magazines, so there is a chance they never released. {{User:Rykitu/sig}}

==A location for the water games, pocket pinball machines, Water Teaser, and other similar items==
{{TPP}}
I understand the fact that these are not video games in the sense that they do not feature any electronic elements, though I think they deserve their own spot somewhere outside of the [[list of merchandise]]. I have an idea as to where these should be placed. I believe a {{fake link|list of games without electronic elements}} (or something along the lines of that) should be created, giving each of these games a spot if they must be split. However, I would understand placing these on the list of merchandise, as long as they retain their pages/full coverage. I do think the larger pinball machines/the pinball machines that have electronic elements to keep score/arcade slot or roulette machines should remain on this list, due to electronic components and size. I also think that there is an argument to be made for the electronic water games being games, in the sense that they are products released by [[Nintendo]] with the intention of being played by consumers, so I believe that these games should remain on this list (though if they cannot, I would like them to move to their own list).

'''Proposer''': {{User|Nelsonic}}<br/>
'''Deadline''': April 18, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Split to the new list, keep pinball machines here===
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Secondary opinion. Per proposal.

===Split to the new list, move pinball machines===

===Move to the list of merchandise, keep full coverage===
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Not my preferred option, but this also works.

===Move to the list of merchandise, don't keep full coverage===

===Keep on the list of games (current position)===
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Main choice.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} We don't see the need to split these, frankly. The ''Game & Watch'' games and standard Pinball tables have been on this list for forever while neither of those qualify for "video games" in the traditional sense, and have been entirely unquestioned in their position here. In addition, while definitely far more literal, the page title ''is'' list of games. Not list of ''video'' games, just games overall. Splitting off these games in specific feels a tad overkill, especially since, if we did split these off for not being "ordinary video games", well, what do we do about the ''Game & Watches'', Pinball tables, or more mechanical arcade machines? Do they follow suit? Do they stay here out of the grandfather clause? The alternatives here do not really appeal to us, we don't think.
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Per Camwoodstock — and besides, it's not worth the hassle removing games because they aren't "game" enough.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Games are games.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} what is a game? a miserable little pile of parts. but enough talk... per all!

===Keep pages, but list them only in the templates for the games they were made to promote===

===Electronic water comments===
What do we do with board games and card games? Are they not games as well?--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 23:15, April 4, 2025 (EDT)
:Honestly, now that you mention it, we'd be fine to add board games and card games to this list. As it stands, the way we handle those is very arbitrary, and codifying them as being "games" for the sake of our coverage would have basically no downside we can think of. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 23:58, April 4, 2025 (EDT)
::[[Mario Party-e]] is mostly a board game and it's on here so I think it makes sense too as crazy as it sounds. {{User:Rykitu/sig}}
I'm not a fan of these franchise-spanning lists we put at the top of the front page. They're needlessly comprehensive to the point of not being helpful or convenient. I think it's better to partition them into smaller lists like {{Fake link|list of LCD and VFD games}}, {{Fake link|list of characters introduced in TV and films}}, {{Fake link|list of locations introduced in publications}}, etc. Should we make a proposal for this?--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 09:10, April 5, 2025 (EDT)
:We would not particularly enjoy this. These lists would all be ''far'' smaller than their "standard game" counterparts, and none of the lists are long enough to warrant a split in the first place; even if we did want to split them, we would likely go by decade, rather than by an arbitrary subcategory of mediums. A "list of locations introduced in publications" would likely only be a dozen or so entries, the majority of which being from those choose your own adventure books, and that's if we're being generous. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 12:24, April 5, 2025 (EDT)