Editing Talk:List of Smash Taunt characters

==Expand page for ''SSB4'' and rename accordingly==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|green|PASSED 5-0}}

As it is currently, this page doesn't cover ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS]]''/''[[Super Smash Bros. for Wii U|Wii U]]''. I think it's a fairly inoffensive expansion to cover the conversations on [[Orbital Gate Assault]] here, and I should think that could be done without a proposal, but this isn't what this proposal is about. The stage [[Palutena's Temple]] adds a set of conversations for Pit ([[List of Palutena's Guidance conversations|Palutena's Guidance]]), which can't really properly be called "radio conversations". 

Therefore, I propose that this page be expanded to cover the Palutena's Guidance characters as well, and be accordingly renamed {{fake link|Smash Taunt characters}}. For reference, those would be Viridi, Chrom, and links to the existing pages for Pit, Palutena, and Dark Pit.

'''Proposer''': {{User|1337star}}<br>
'''Deadline''': July 3, 2015, 23:59 GMT

===Expand and rename===
# {{User|1337star}} Per proposal.
# {{User|bwburke94}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Go on.
#{{User|Andymii}} Though this proposal isn't really necessary, I'll give the fourth vote so it passes anyway, as it makes sense.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per Andymii.

===Leave as is===

===Comments===
...Why are you making a proposal about expanding a page? {{User:Time Turner/sig}}

Rule 15 states that "''[u]nless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.''" In other words, this proposal shouldn't be necessary unless we heavily disagree. As for the renaming and expansion, I don't see any problems with that. You should try asking that in the talk page first before starting a talk page proposal. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:34, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, you don't need a TTP for this. Feel free to expand the sections as needed. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 17:54, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

== Delete? ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this page has nothing to do with Mario. It's yet another Smash left-over. Should we pull the plug? [[User:Axii|Axii]] ([[User talk:Axii|talk]]) 12:56, October 13, 2024 (EDT)
:Redirect the sucker to the Smash series page's "Major series represented in Super Smash Bros." section, ideally. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:03, October 13, 2024 (EDT)
::They do have opinions on Mario characters, in a way that definitely counts as interacting. I think of it as additional context for a profile, so it should stay. (I guess it's not much defense for Star Fox and some guest characters on calls.) [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 13:06, October 13, 2024 (EDT)
:::It is already covered separately. [[User:Axii|Axii]] ([[User talk:Axii|talk]]) 13:10, October 13, 2024 (EDT)
::::In that case, redirect to ''that'' page. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:17, October 13, 2024 (EDT)
:::If it were an article on the Smash Taunts themselves, I could see that working. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:07, October 13, 2024 (EDT)

==Doing something about this page==
{{TPP}}
So I was thinking about making a proposal to merge this page somewhere since it doesn't seem particularly Mario-relevant, but Doc brought up a good idea in the above discussion: making this a page about Smash Taunts in general. This makes sense to me as Smash Taunts are a Mario-relevant feature of the games, since they can have conversations about Mario characters. However, I then realised that although this page claims to be about the "Smash Taunt characters", it already has a section for listing the different Smash Taunt conversations, so there isn't really a change in content that needs to be done here so much as a bit of reorganising.

Currently, [[Smash Taunt]] links to a section on the [[taunt]] page. I propose that we instead make this page into the Smash Taunt page, changing the title to "Smash Taunt", and the section on the taunt page can be trimmed and link to this page with a [[Template:Main]]. Then, we incorporate that information on this page and probably do a bit of rewriting to fit the new title.

This page's "conversations" section currently just has the Star Fox ones while the [[List of Snake's codec conversations|Snake codecs]] and [[List of Palutena's Guidance conversations|Palutena's guidances]] are split into their own pages. This made sense back when we covered all the conversations, but now that we only have the Mario ones listed, those pages are both short enough that I think they could be merged back here (and they're also the main thing that gives this subject Mario relevance so it would be nice to actually have them on the page). Adding the lengths of these three pages comes to about 66,000 bytes, which isn't too bad. However, since we trimmed those two lists to only cover the Mario character conversations, it begs the question of why we still have the Star Fox conversations listed, since those aren't character-specific at all. I could go either way on whether to keep them, so I'll have two support options.

Note that the main goals of this proposal are renaming the page, merging the lists, and potentially removing the Star Fox conversations. Besides that, the exact organisation of the resulting page will not strictly be enforced by this proposal, so it could be changed as needed. For example, one idea I have is to simply reorder the page to have the "conversations" list first, before the "characters" list, while another would be to replace the current "conversations" and "characters" sections to instead have a section for each Smash Taunt, so there'd be a codec section listing those conversations and characters, a Palutena's Guidance section, etc.

'''TLDR:''' I'm proposing to rename this page to "Smash Taunt", merge [[List of Snake's codec conversations]] and [[List of Palutena's Guidance conversations]] here, and potentially also remove the Star Fox conversations, then probably do some rewriting on the resulting page. I realise that this is a very specific proposal, but I figured these changes were big enough to be worth voting on first.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Hewer}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT

===Support, and remove the Star Fox conversations===
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Pseudo}} Covering the Mario-relevant parts of Smash Taunts is worthwhile for this wiki, but I would contend that the Star Fox conversations are altogether irrelevant to the Mario franchise. For moving the page itself, this also makes sense to me since the Mario-relevant content of the conversations is what matters to this wiki, not whether Snake, Pit or whoever is participating in these.
#{{User|Rykitu}} This is the Mario Wiki. Not the Lylat Wiki.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} we don't need to eat smashwiki OR lylat wiki's lunch

===Support, but keep the Star Fox conversations===
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
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-{{settled TPP}}
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-{{proposal outcome|passed|6-1-0|Rename to "Smash Taunt", merge Snake codecs and Palutena's guidances here, and remove Star Fox conversations}}
 So I was thinking about making a proposal to merge this page somewhere since it doesn't seem particularly Mario-relevant, but Doc brought up a good idea in the above discussion: making this a page about Smash Taunts in general. This makes sense to me as Smash Taunts are a Mario-relevant feature of the games, since they can have conversations about Mario characters. However, I then realised that although this page claims to be about the "Smash Taunt characters", it already has a section for listing the different Smash Taunt conversations, so there isn't really a change in content that needs to be done here so much as a bit of reorganising.
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 #{{User|Rykitu}} This is the Mario Wiki. Not the Lylat Wiki.
 #{{User|EvieMaybe}} we don't need to eat smashwiki OR lylat wiki's lunch
-#{{User|Mario}} As I said in the talk-of deleted page for [[Talk:List of Lylat Cruise conversations]], most of this content is completely irrelevant to the scope of MarioWiki.
-#{{User|LittleLum}} Per proposal. This trims the fat and simplifies the organization of what's left.
 ===Support, but keep the Star Fox conversations===