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| I wanted to know if we could merge all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[List of games|Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''. | | <span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">NO MERGE 3-8</span> |
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| | I wanted to know if we could merge all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''. |
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| #{{User|Jjrapper100}} Per Proposal. | | #{{User|Jjrapper100}} Per Proposal. |
| #{{User|Arend}} - As what I assume, this proposal is about copying every game on this page (mostly ''Mario'' games only) to {{fake link|List of Mario Games}}, and combining ''every single video game article'', including the ''Donkey Kong'' and ''Wario'' games that have their separate page for games. Not a bad idea, in my opinion. | | #{{User|Arend}} - As what I assume, this proposal is about copying every game on this page (mostly ''Mario'' games only) to {{fakelink|List of Mario Games}}, and combining ''every single video game article'', including the ''Donkey Kong'' and ''Wario'' games that have their separate page for games. Not a bad idea, in my opinion. |
| #{{User|ThirdMarioBro}} Since all of the Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario games are essentially Mario series games, it would make sense to put them all on the same page. We could still make headings to split the different sub-serieses, but, for the most part, all the games should be listed in one article. Per Arend. '''@Opposers: Read Walkazo's comment. We are not merging all of the game articles, just ''duplicating their information'' and ''listing them on one page''. Therefore, some of your arguments are invalid.''' | | #{{User|ThirdMarioBro}} Since all of the Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario games are essentially Mario series games, it would make sense to put them all on the same page. We could still make headings to split the different sub-serieses, but, for the most part, all the games should be listed in one article. Per Arend. '''@Opposers: Read Walkazo's comment. We are not merging all of the game articles, just ''duplicating their information'' and ''listing them on one page''. Therefore, some of your arguments are invalid.''' |
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| Let me get this straight: the proposer basically wants to move this article to {{fake link|List of Mario games}} and use this page to combine all or the series games into one big collective list?--{{User|Knife}} 19:08, 26 August 2011 (EDT) | | Let me get this straight: the proposer basically wants to move this article to {{Fakelink|List of Mario games}} and use this page to combine all or the series games into one big collective list?--{{User|Knife}} 19:08, 26 August 2011 (EDT) |
| :From what I can decipher, yes. --[[User:Reversinator|Reversinator]] 19:21, 26 August 2011 (EDT) | | :From what I can decipher, yes. --[[User:Reversinator|Reversinator]] 19:21, 26 August 2011 (EDT) |
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| So the proposer tried to improve the proposal, but they're not allowed to actually change the proposal text so it was reverted. This was the updated version (new stuff in bold): | | So the proposer tried to improve the proposal, but they're not allowed to actually change the proposal text so it was reverted. This was the updated version (new stuff in bold): |
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| I wanted to know if we could '''duplicate''' all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] '''seprete''' the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[List of games|Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''. '''This way we have a ''List of Mario games'', ''List of Donkey Kong games'', ''List of Wario games'' and ''Games'' were I want to merge all games there and we'll have four seprete acticles.'''</blockquote> | | I wanted to know if we could '''duplicate''' all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] '''seprete''' the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''. '''This way we have a ''List of Mario games'', ''List of Donkey Kong games'', ''List of Wario games'' and ''Games'' were I want to merge all games there and we'll have four seprete acticles.'''</blockquote> |
| Too bad it doesn't actually clarify anything... - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:45, 1 September 2011 (EDT) | | Too bad it doesn't actually clarify anything... - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:45, 1 September 2011 (EDT) |
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| {{Proposal outcome|failed|4-5|oppose}}
| | I wanted to know if we could duplicate all Mario, Donkey Kong, Wario, and Yoshi games onto the article called "Games" which already exist then make a separate article for Mario, for example called "List of Mario games" as well as one for Yoshi called "List of Yoshi games" and still keep the acticles [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] separated from "List of Mario games" and "List of Yoshi games", and "Games". The reason why I want to do this is because the name of the article is "[[Games]]" shouldn't that mean that all games here on MarioWiki go there and not just MARIO GAMES and YOSHI GAMES. If the proposal pases then there will be five seperete game articles one by the name of, "Games" which like I said already exist, the second one will have to be created and named by, "List of Mario games", a third will also have to be created and named by, ''List of Yoshi games'', and a fourth one by, ''List of Donkey Kong games'', and a fifth one by "List of Wario games". So if the propasal passes what I want to do is duplicate all games from the articles "List of Mario games", ''List of Donkey Kong games'', and ''List of Wario games'' and still keep their original articles but all their games will be duplicated onto the article "Games" which already exist however we will have to make one for "List of Mario games" and another for "List of Yoshi games". If this proposal passes the "Games" article will include all Mario, Donkey Kong, Wario, and Yoshi games respectively, but it wouldn't delete Mario's, Donkey Kong's, Wario's, and Yoshi's games list articles just duplicate their game information onto the article "Games". |
| I wanted to know if we could duplicate all Mario, Donkey Kong, Wario, and Yoshi games onto the article called "Games" which already exist then make a separate article for Mario, for example called "List of Mario games" as well as one for Yoshi called "List of Yoshi games" and still keep the acticles [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] separated from "List of Mario games" and "List of Yoshi games", and "Games". The reason why I want to do this is because the name of the article is "[[List of games|Games]]" shouldn't that mean that all games here on MarioWiki go there and not just MARIO GAMES and YOSHI GAMES. If the proposal pases then there will be five seperete game articles one by the name of, "Games" which like I said already exist, the second one will have to be created and named by, "List of Mario games", a third will also have to be created and named by, ''List of Yoshi games'', and a fourth one by, ''List of Donkey Kong games'', and a fifth one by "List of Wario games". So if the propasal passes what I want to do is duplicate all games from the articles "List of Mario games", ''List of Donkey Kong games'', and ''List of Wario games'' and still keep their original articles but all their games will be duplicated onto the article "Games" which already exist however we will have to make one for "List of Mario games" and another for "List of Yoshi games". If this proposal passes the "Games" article will include all Mario, Donkey Kong, Wario, and Yoshi games respectively, but it wouldn't delete Mario's, Donkey Kong's, Wario's, and Yoshi's games list articles just duplicate their game information onto the article "Games". | |
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| #{{User|Jjrapper100}} Per Proposal. | | #{{User|Jjrapper100}} Per Proposal. |
| #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per what I said in the comments of the last proposal and this proposal. "Games" implies all games, not just ''Mario'' (and ''Yoshi'') games; the current setup, with only ''Wario'' and ''Donkey Kong'' getting kicked out onto their own segregated lists, is inconsistent. The arguments against the change make little sense. Yes, this page would become longer, but not "ridiculously" long (things like [[Mario (franchise)]] are far more unwieldy), and it certainly doesn't mean that no one will read it: having big list of ''all'' the games can be quite useful sometimes. Besides, the new, separate, ''Mario'' and ''Yoshi'' lists would each be smaller than this page, so if someone only wants to see the hundred-plus ''Mario'' games without the couple dozen ''DK'' and ''Wario'' games cluttering it all up, they could still do that (and vice-versa, since the ''Wario'' and ''DK'' pages will remain as they are, only now they'll be joined by a ''Yoshi'' page too). Also, all the pages use the exact same template: all that would need to be done because of this is copying and pasting and fixing some numbers - it won't cause issues with the templates at all, so I have no clue where that argument's coming from either. There are a lot of things that make the wiki look bad; this change will not be one of them.
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| #{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Master R.O.B}} Per Walkazo.
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| #{{User|SKmarioman}} This is unnecessary. If we duplicate all of the articles into one article it will make the pages ridiculously long and will also cause some issues with the templates. After all, it is a ''list'' of games. | | #{{User|SKmarioman}} This is unnecessary. If we duplicate all of the articles into one article it will make the pages ridiculously long and will also cause some issues with the templates. After all, it is a ''list'' of games. |
| #{{User|Vommack}} Causes clutter, redundant, template problems, and makes pages ridiculously long(Who would read such a thing?). Also, anyone who goes to the article has all the lists neatly at the top of the page.
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| #{{User|Loxo}} Per SKmarioman.
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| #{{User|MarioSmasher}} - Per Vommack.
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| #{{User|SuperFireBowserJr.}}- No, no and no. The list would be ridicously long,there would be problems with the templetes and we already have the lists neat and seperated. Plus it made the wiki look bad.
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| This should be calling for a new "List of Yoshi games" page to be created too - that way all the four main series get their own pages, rather than everything else being listed twice while the Yoshi games are only in "Games" (or jammed into the ''Mario'' list). That would make things ''completely'' fair and consistent. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 09:50, 14 June 2012 (EDT) | | This should be calling for a new "List of Yoshi games" page to be created too - that way all the four main series get their own pages, rather than everything else being listed twice while the Yoshi games are only in "Games" (or jammed into the ''Mario'' list). That would make things ''completely'' fair and consistent. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 09:50, 14 June 2012 (EDT) |
| :Great idea this is what I call a clever idea I'll be adding this into the proposal thank you very much Walkazo. [[User:Jjrapper100|Jjrapper100]] 11:40, 14 June 2012 (EDT) | | :Great idea this is what I call a clever idea I'll be adding this into the proposal thank you very much Walkazo. [[User:Jjrapper100|Jjrapper100]] 11:40, 14 June 2012 (EDT) |
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| Just to clarify for the sake of anyone who might misunderstand, this is proposing that we convert this page, [[List of games|Games]], into a complete list of ''Mario'', ''Donkey Kong'', ''Wario'' and ''Yoshi'' games. In its current state, this page only has ''Mario'' and ''Yoshi'', whereas the other two series have their own separate pages: [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]]. These two pages will '''not be deleted''' as a result of the master list's creation - quite the opposite, actually, since we will add to their number by creating a [[List of Mario games]] page and a [[List of Yoshi games]] page, essentially recreating this current page under a different name ("List of Mario games"), while at the same time getting rid of the inconsistency that sees ''Yoshi'' merged with ''Mario'' while ''DK'' and ''Wario'' are separate. This results in a '''total of five pages''', one for each series, and one central list of all the series mixed together (and including any games that don't fit into one of the four series, like the crossover ''SSB'' series or ''Captain Rainbow''). That way, both people looking through the '''games by series''' ''and'' those looking through '''all the games as a whole''' will have lists catering to their needs. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 14:37, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
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| I think that the idea written on the top of this page is a good one. We should create a subsection of this page or a new page listing the unofficial, unlicensed, hacked Mario games. Of course, they are non-canon so we shouldn't talk about them in others articles. {{User:Banon/sig}} 13:06, 10 November 2012 (EST)
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Boy_I Super Boy I (MSX/Sega SG-1000)]
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| *[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6QXou6wIyw Super Boy II (Master System)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Boy_3 Super Boy III (MSX)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Boy_4 Super Boy 4 (Master System)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Mario#Pirates Super Boy IV (Master system)]
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| *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somari Somari (Famicom/Nes)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_Special_3 (Game Boy Color)]
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| *[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlujvo3jN0o Super Mario World NES (NES)]
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| *[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0pV79uuMng Super Mario World/Super Mario Bros. (?) (Sega Genesis)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Bio_Man_4 Super Bio Man 4 (MSX)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Mario#Pirates Dr. Hello (MSX)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros._2_%28Mega_Drive%29 Super Mario Bros. 2 (Megadrive)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Mario#Pirates Super Mario World (Megadrive)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_World_64 Super Mario World 64 (Megadrive/Genesis)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Kart_Fighter Kart Fighter (Famicom/Nes)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_World_%28Famicom%29 Super Mario World (Famicom)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/World_Heroes_2 World Heroes 2 (Famicom)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Dian_Shi_Ma_Li Dian Shi Ma Li (Famicom)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/JY-120_%28A%29_1998_Super_45-in-1_Multicart JY-120 (A) 1998 Super 45-in-1 Multicart (Famicom)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_%26_Sonik_2 Super Mario & Sonik 2 (NES/Famicom)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Donkey_Kong Super Donkey Kong (Famicom)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Donkey_Kong_2 Super Donkey Kong 2 (NES/Famicom)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Donkey_Kong_%2799 Super Donkey Kong '99 (Megadrive/Genesis)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_4 Super Mario 4 (Game Boy)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/260-in-1_Multicart 260-in-1 Multicart (NES)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/1998_Super_HIK_4-in-1 1998 Super HIK 4-in-1 (Famicom)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#100-in-1 100 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#83-in-1 83 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#225-in-1 225 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#1997-in-1 1997 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#9999-in-1_.28version_2.29 9999 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#9999999-in-1 9999999 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#10000000-in-1 10000000 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
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| *[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/1000-in-1_Multicart 1000 in 1 Multicart (NES/Famicom)]
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| I also must check [http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Multicarts these ones]...
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| For some of those I don't know if they are only roms or actual games sold for money. {{User:Banon/sig}}
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| : There was [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:Proposals&oldid=1102732#Cover_Mario_Knockoffs a proposal about this] a while ago, and it failed hardcore. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 14:29, 10 November 2012 (EST)
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| :: Ok, so I think I have no chance. But this proposal wanted to create pages, add informations in other pages about those games, and I agree that it is a bad idea. I talk about a subsection, or a small article. After all, we have [[Publication references|all]] [[Film references|kind]] [[Promotional references|of]] [[Music references|references]] [[Video game references|pages]] [[Television references|and]] [[Theatrical references|they]] [[Online references|are absolutely not]] [[Animation references|Nintendo-related]] (except for Video games reference, but they are not all Nintendo-related). {{User:Banon/sig}} 15:07, 10 November 2012 (EST)
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| :::At the Super Mario Wiki, we only post official licensed stuff I'm afiad. [[User: New Super Yoshi|NSY]]
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| ::::{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 05:58, 11 November 2012 (EST)
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| :::::I understand, that's perfectly legitimate, but explain me the difference between an article/a subsection talking about unlicensed games, and [[Publication references|1]], [[Film references|2]], [[Promotional references|3]], [[Music references|4]], [[Video game references|5]], [[Television references|6]], [[Theatrical references|7]], [[Online references|8]], [[Animation references|9]] references pages. If Mario appears in the Simpsons, it is non-canon, not Nintendo-related and unofficial. But we still have 9 pages who talk about it. {{User:Banon/sig}} 06:03, 11 November 2012 (EST)
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| ''Mario'' references in popular culture are covered, not home-brews.
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| {{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 02:13, 16 November 2012 (EST)
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| This should be used only for games that really never were released in a specific region, not for every game where the official release date couldn't be found, especially for AU releases. It's better to have "???? / ?? / ??", or if some details are known, something like "2002 / ?? / ??" can be used, instead of "''N/A''" which signifies that the game was never released at all. {{User:SKmarioman/sig}}
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| I moved Donkey Country Returns 3D lower down in the table, but accidently messed up some colouring, could someone make it right? {{User|Yoshi876}}
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| | ''[[New Super Mario Bros. U]]''
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| | 2012 / 12 / 08
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| | 2012 / 11 / 18
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| | 2012 / 11 / 30
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| | ''[[Nintendo Land]]''
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| | 2012 / 12 / 08
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| | ''[[Game & Wario]]''
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| | style="background:#fff;" | 2013 / 03 / 28
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| | style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 06 / 23
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| | style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 06 / 28
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| | style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 06 / 29
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| | [[Intelligent Systems]]
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| | style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 07 / 13
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| | style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 08 / 25
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| | style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 07 / 26
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| | ''[[Mario Kart (series)#Unnamed Wii U Mario Kart title|Mario Kart]]'' (tentative title)
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| | ''[[Super Mario (series)#Unnamed Wii U Super Mario title|Super Mario]]'' (tentative title)
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| Wouldn't make sense to add, genres I mean it would make navigation through the list better. If your unfamilar with Mario, i.e which game to pick out and which one to adviod.
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| :If by genre you mean like platformer, RPG, Karting then it might be an idea, but I don't understand 'which one to avoid', because it sounds like that would be opinion based. {{User|Yoshi876}}
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| : Yes, I meant that, i.e platformer, RPG, Karting, educational etc, of course i know its opinion based what one would want to play when it come to mario games, but I could hardly image many would want to stick with educational games like Mario's Missing and Mario's time machine etc. that's where the joke "which one to avoid came from". But to be serious I'm only intrested in the platormers it would make the list easier to navigate if genre are listed.{{unsigned|217.212.230.224}}
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