Editing Talk:List of Mario games

How does everyone feel about a list of cancelled Mario games? Or even a list of famous hacked Mario games? -- [[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]] 22:32, 30 September 2006 (EDT)
:I think Cancelled Games, as in unique titles and not moved titles, is a good addition, but hacked games (like ''Super Demo World'', a harder hacked 120-exit version of ''Super Mario World'') is user created and therefore a bad idea. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 22:40, 30 September 2006 (EDT)

::Why not moved titles? One could add a note to the end what each game became, like on wikipedias [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cancelled_video_games List of Cancelled Video Games]. Besides, most titles like that are alread redirected to the correct page (on this wiki). I agree with you on the point of hacked games. I was thinking more of Super Mario Bros. 3 Special and Super Mario World NES. -- [[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]] 23:31, 30 September 2006 (EDT)

:I think hacked games should be listed on another page, or a section within this page. And I mean games that actually were released as game paks and sold. [[User:Red.Tide|Red.Tide]] 11:17, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Technically, hacked/pirated games are considered fan games and if we start making articles about them, we might have to make articles on all fan games and... you don't want that, do you?{{User:Knife/sig}} 20:47, 6 March 2007 (EST)\\

I was talking about the ones sold for money, so actual commercially pirated ones. There's not that many of those, are there? But I somewhat agree, I don't want to write about all the crappy Game Maker and Flash games that feature Mario... [[User:Red.Tide|Red.Tide]] 10:36, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Acually Bulbapedia has an article about Hacked games, but only the ones that sold for money, like Red Tide was talking about. DooPliss42 10:29, 22 July 2011 (EDT)

==Remakes==
Do'nt remakes deserve there own articles, instead of just redirecting back to the original game? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

In a few cases yes. I don't think an extra article should be made just because a game had a few extra features. A few exceptions can be made, like DKR and DKRDS.{{User:Knife/sig}} 20:47, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Maybe as a side note in the main articles, and the name of the remakes being redirecting to the main article? --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]

==Virtual Console....==
Seiously, there should be a list of Virtual Console games there. It looks better, and some people might want to know exactly what Mario games the VC has. ~[[user:LordKenny|LordKenny]]

:Make it hap'n, cap'n. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

::Oops, thats not what I ment. I mean already released Virtual Console games. And sure, I'll get to work on that. ~[[user:LordKenny|LordKenny]]


==Help==
Um guys I see that the table list for the wii looks mess up???  [[User:Princess Butterfly|Princess Butterfly]] 18:30, 13 January 2008 (EST) Is it vandalism

Oh yeah, I noticed that a while back. It was fixed in just an hour or so. [[User:Toad allstar|Toad allstar]]

==Yoshi's story==
How Yoshi's story a Mario game? Mario makes no appearance. [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 20:17, 26 January 2008 (EST)   P.S should we remove it?

Yes, feel free to remove it. Should stay only in [[Yoshi Games]].{{User:Knife/sig}} 21:12, 26 January 2008 (EST)

==Super Mario RPG & other VC games==
Super Mario RPG, along with Mario Kart 64 and Dr. Mario, and probably more games by now, (see link)
[http://wii.ign.com/articles/744/744751p1.html] have no confirmation. The only "confirmation" is that ESRB has reported that Nintendo has submitted them for rating. However, they might not all appear on VC. For all we know, Nintendo will have technical difficulties with these games, and they'll never show up. And they wouldn't count as cancelled games because Nintendo has not announced them officially. We should wait until they are announced by Nintendo or the official site for Wii and/or VC games.

[[User:Red.Tide|Red.Tide]] 22:56, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Then, can you ''please'' remove it from the Super mario RPG article? Because on the article, it also says that it will appear in Virtual console [[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars|See here.]] {{User:Super mario fan/sig}} 17:11, 28 January 2008 (EST)

==SSB==
Was Super Smash Bros. released on SNES as well as N64? It doesn't say so in the article. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Weird.}}

No... I agree with you, that is weird... {{User:Super mario fan/sig}}15:41, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Well, it was originally planned to be (along with [[Super Mario FX]] and Star Fox 64), utilizing the [[Super Mario FX|FX Chip]], but all of them got canceled and revived on the N64. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]

==Restructuring release dates?==
I think it's a good idea to change the way dates are written in the table from their current convention to one that would sort better. For example changing dates from "September 9, 1983" to "1983-10-09" or something similar. This would allow games to be sorted by date effectively using the table, making it easier to follow the Mario timeline on each console.

Any thoughts on this??

--[[User:Benchamoneh|Benchamoneh]] 15:07, 19 November 2008 (EST)

==I could help...==
I think I'm some kind of use because I know the release dates for Europe:
* Mario Power Tennis Wii-release - 6th March
* Mario Super sluggers - June 2009
{{unsigned|Miss Koopette}}

==A few notes on this page==
#I'm unsure what to do with the Nintendo Power segment of the Game Boy Colour. I commeted it out for now. We could make a list of all those games released only in Japan, but we only have one release date for SMB Deluxe, but not for the entire rest.
#What to do about the e-Reader segment? Keep it as is? Change it?
#Why are no Wario and Donkey Kong games on the list, but Yoshi games even up to the completely main-series unrelated Yoshi's Story? Not to mention Smash Bros. games. Does this have any consistency?
#What to do about games that don't have pages anymore, like [[NBA Street V3]] and [[SSX Tour]]?
#What about WiiWare, DSiWare and Virtual Console games? Should they be here or on their own pages?
- {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:43, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

:#Something is better than nothing, so all the [[Nintendo Power (Cartridge)|Nintendo Power]] games should at least be listed.
:#The e-Reader segment should be formatted like the rest of the page, since it looks sorta bad as-is.
:#Since this is a "Games" page and not a "''Mario'' Games" page, it would make the most sense to have all the sub-series titles listed here as well as the core games and ''[[Yoshi (series)|Yoshi]]'') - including [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]
:#If the pages were deemed unworthy (for lack of a better word) of separate articles, they're probably not true ''Mario'' games and would best be placed in the [[Video game references]] page instead of the Games page.
:#Virtual Console games are just re-releases, so leaving the page as-is (with {{tem|Main}} linking to the [[Virtual Console#List of Mario Games for the Virtual Console|VC]] page) seems alright. Games released on WiiWare and DSiWare, however, should be listed, since those platforms are as valid as the consoles and handhelds themselves.
:Or at least, that's what I think - hope it helps! - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 17:50, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
So should Nintendo Power games also be formatted the same way as the rest? (I agree on everything else) - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 18:06, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

:#All ''Mario'' Nintendo Power releases are worth listing. There is a site called NinDB that has all release dates for the Nintendo-published [http://www.nindb.net/game-boy.html#nintendopower Game Boy] and [http://www.nindb.net/snes.html#nintendopower Super Famicom] titles. It is as private website, but the webmaster told that he found the dates at Nintendo Japan's now defunct Nintendo Power website, and I trust him. He knows his stuff.
:#Should be formatted like the rest. For the release dates, [http://www.nindb.net/game-boy-advance.html#ereader NinDB] is helpful again.
:#I think all games should be covered there, including ''Donkey Kong'', ''Yoshi'', ''Wario'', and crossover games.
:#Actually, ''[[SSX on Tour]]'' still has a (very short) page. I think both this one and ''NBA Street V3'' deserve articles, since Mario, Luigi and Peach are full-fledged characters and even playable, but only with general descriptions of the games and what ''Mario'' references are in. No articles on unrelated sportspeople, places and so on (except for special places like [[Nintendo Village]]).
:#Agree with Walkazo.
--[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 05:27, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

What I wonder is what all the Game & Watch games are doing here (see DSiWare). How are they Mario-related? Ndb looks helpful, I'll have a look at what holes I can fill. It won't help us getting Australian release dates though, which are currently the biggest hole on this page. 

Also what should be do about the "other" section? Arcade & Virtual Boy are fine, but do we need consoles like Intellivision have the same table style? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 08:13, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:I brought up the Game & Watch issue [[Talk:Main Page#Game & Watch|here]], I agree that they shouldn't be handled like "true" ''Mario'' games, except for those that belong to the series, but as mini-games. The only reason for articles on ''Helmet'', ''Ball'', ''Fire'' and so on is the inclusion in the ''Game & Watch Gallery'' series. On the ''Wario Land'' EU release date, the Finnish Nintendo website also has several EU release dates for 80s and 90s games, including [http://www.nintendo.fi/?file=73 Game Boy] titles. It says April (like NinDB), so I think this month is appropriate. Hm, Australian release dates are indeed hard to find. I checked Nintendo.com.au in the Internet Archive, but found almost no dates for games released prior to 2002. That they replace the dates of released games with "Out Now" isn't helpful, either. Maybe it has simply been not documented for the public. We could at least write "Released" if an Australian release is known, for example if an Australian box is available at MobyGames ([http://www.mobygames.com/game/wario-land-ii/cover-art example]).

:Another question, which also affects other pages, is there a reason that the US are always the first column? The only understandable reason would be that most visitors are from this region, but in this way, Europe had to be the second column, since there are more users from there than Japan. In my opinion, Japan should be first, since most games are released first there and because it is also the country of origin of most ''Mario'' games. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:56, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
You DO know how much work it would be to rearrange the columns now that everything has been filled in? If you want to have a different order, it'd be best if you went ahead yourself. I don't think that the huge amount of work that would be needed to change it way exceeds the benefit we would get from that.

I agree on putting "released" in the Australian column. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 07:07, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:Okay, I know, just a suggestion. It is true that it doesn't change much with regard to the effort. Well, maybe some day. Anyway, should the "Released" for Australian releases also be put into the infoboxes in the actual articles? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 07:48, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

==Alleyway?==
I didn't see [[Wikipedia:Alleyway]] on this list. Shouldn't it be here? I mean, it is a Mario game, isn't it?. {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}
 
Originally, Mario wasn't in the game. To familiarize the game with Northern Americans, the box-art was changed so that Mario was on the cover. In the game itself, there isn't much mention to him. Still, I suppose this still counts as a Mario game, so I will now make a link for [[Alleyway]]. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:I think it should have its article. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 18:44, 12 January 2010 (EST)

==Pinball?==
Should [[Wikipedia:Pinball (video game)]] have an article? I know it has hardly anything to do w/ Mario but at least hes in the bonus stage along w/ pauline.---[[User:Its-a-me Yoshi!|Its-a-me Yoshi!]] 01:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh wait never mind I just found it.[[User:Its-a-me Yoshi!|Its-a-me Yoshi!]]

==3DS==
Add 3DS section in handhels.{{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
:It was added. {{User:Bowser's luma/sig}}

==How come we have to have separate articles==
I have noticed that Donkey Kong and Wario have separate articles for their list of games but how come Yoshi games, a few Donkey Kong games, a few Wario games etc., get to stay on the list shouldn't all games just go on one big list and not be seprereted into another article.

==Release Dates==
The release dates are difficult to understand for example I sometimes mistake the month for a date etc.  (2010 / 12 / 31 equals 2010 = year / 12 = month / 31= day), couldn't it be changed for example (2010 / 31 / 12) year, day, and month or, 12 / 31 / 2010) month, day, and year that would make it a lot easier to understand. [[User:Jjrapper100]]

==Cancelled?==
Do we have any proof that ''New Super Mario Bros. Mii'' is cancelled?  I know that it is a tech demo, but is there an official source that proves that the game is cancelled? {{User:M&amp;SG/sig}} 12:13, 2 August 2011 (EDT)

There's no source but it's a Tech Demo and Tech Demos rarely get turned into a commercial game. [[User:Jjrapper100]]

Nope there's still no word about Super Mario Bros. Mii being cancelled. It's probably comming out a few months after the Wii U. [[User:NintendoLuigiGuy]]

==Can someone please remove the "Games highlighted in yellow are upcoming?" part==
<s>It's obvious. I can't remove it or else my browser will reduce the article to 32kb. Thanks. [[User:WikiofSmash|WikiofSmash&quot;It&#39;s called society, ever heard of it?&quot;]] 17:28, 2 August 2011 (EDT)</s>
:Nevermind. [[User:WikiofSmash|WikiofSmash&quot;It&#39;s called society, ever heard of it?&quot;]] 17:29, 2 August 2011 (EDT)

==Discuss==
{{SettledTPP}}

<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">NO MERGE 3-8</span>

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I wanted to know if we could merge all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''. 

'''Proposer''': {{User|Jjrapper100}}<br>
'''Deadline''': September 9, 2011, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Jjrapper100}} Per Proposal.
#{{User|Arend}} - As what I assume, this proposal is about copying every game on this page (mostly ''Mario'' games only) to {{fakelink|List of Mario Games}}, and combining ''every single video game article'', including the ''Donkey Kong'' and ''Wario'' games that have their separate page for games. Not a bad idea, in my opinion.
#{{User|ThirdMarioBro}} Since all of the Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario games are essentially Mario series games, it would make sense to put them all on the same page. We could still make headings to split the different sub-serieses, but, for the most part, all the games should be listed in one article. Per Arend. '''@Opposers: Read Walkazo's comment. We are not merging all of the game articles, just ''duplicating their information'' and ''listing them on one page''. Therefore, some of your arguments are invalid.'''

====Oppose====
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} No merge!
#{{User|Reversinator}} Now I understand what you want to do, but you said that you wanted to merge the games, and not the lists of games. But here's the thing; if you want to merge all the games into one article, why do you want to keep the Mario games separate? Heck, technically, all of these games are Mario games, so really, making a separate "List or Mario games" will do nothing.
#{{User|Toad85}} Crazy talk is crazy.  Per all.
#{{User|Bop1996}} Even were this not convoluted and difficult to really comprehend, any way I can figure it to make sense still violates every ounce of common sense I have. It seems to contradict itself, and therefore I cannot support.
#{{User|Magikrazy51}} Why stop there? Why don't we merge all the characters into one page? The places. The items! The Species! THE Allies! THE ENEMIES! THE SPECIAL MOVES!!! Let's just throw everything into one article! My bottom line is, we need detail (extensive, that is) on every game. If we went around throwing similar stuff into one article, we'd look lazy and not willing to actually do research. I end my speech the same way most users do, <sung>PER ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!</sung> Thank you for your time, try the veal, don't forget to tip your waitresses.
#{{User|New Super Yoshi}} I really think that the Donkey Kong series and the Wario series need full articles. Per all.
#{{User|Marwikedor}} No way.  I've said 1,000 times, a Wario game or a Donkey Kong game is just as much a Mario game(or should I say Mario series game) as SM64.  No merging!!
#{{User|M&SG}} - I don't really get what this proposal is trying to accomplish.  The Donkey Kong and Wario games may be part of the Marioverse, but they should stay separate in their own lists.

====Comments====
I have no clue what in the world you want to do. All I understand is that you want to merge all the Mario, DK, and Wario articles into one article. Which would be insanely stupid. {{User|Reversinator}}
:I think we should make a article having all Mario, DK, and Wario games into one and make a seprete one for Mario called ''List of Mario games''. {{unsigned|Jjrapper100}}
::Please use proper grammar and spelling. It would make it so easier to understand what you're saying. And sign your comments. --[[User:Reversinator|Reversinator]] 12:20, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Sorry about that I was in a rush anyway I fixed it. {{unsigned|Jjrapper100}}

Let me get this straight: the proposer basically wants to move this article to {{Fakelink|List of Mario games}} and use this page to combine all or the series games into one big collective list?--{{User|Knife}} 19:08, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
:From what I can decipher, yes. --[[User:Reversinator|Reversinator]] 19:21, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

So you want to move all of the game articles (including this one) into one collective article?  That's just crazy talk.  {{User|Toad85}}
::No, he means what Knife said. Nothing is being merged or lost, just duplicated: this content is being copied to another page, while content from the other "List of Games" pages is being copied and added here. Right now, this page only lists ''Mario'' (and ''Yoshi'') games, while the ''Donkey Kong'' and ''Wario'' games have their own separate list pages ([[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]], respectively). What Jjrapper100 wants to do is make the ''Mario'' games also have their own separate [[List of Mario games]], whereas this page will have ''Mario'', ''Donkey Kong'' and ''Wario'' (and ''Yoshi'', and supposedly everything that doesn't fit into one of these series too, like ''SSB'', hopefully), all in one spot. This isn't actually a bad or crazy idea: there's no reason for the ''Mario'' games to hog centre stage while the other series are sidelined; our [[MarioWiki:Coverage|coverage policy]] gives them equal standing, after all. Really, the only real issue with the proposal, aside from the unclear wording, is that it doesn't include ''Yoshi'' or directly address the other few non-central-''Mario''-games that ''are'' here (like ''SSB'', ''SSX On Tour'', ''Nintendo Puzzle Collection'' (a crossover compilation). ''Captain Rainbow'' (another crossover), and a few random ''Wario'' titles) so there will still be inconsistency. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:03, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
:::I still think it's crazy. {{User:Toad85/sig}}

Why didn't you remove this guys, wouldn't this be a joke proposal? {{User|Zero777}}
:The nicer assumption is that it's just really badly written, making everyone ''think'' it's proposing something ridiculous, whereas it's just talking about a few list pages, which isn't a joke. Of course, if it ''is'' trying to merge everything and it somehow passes, I'm sure the other admins will all agree that it would be in the wiki's best interests if we veto the proposal and leave all the articles intact. Until then, it's being voted down anyway, and unless the proposer comes back and confirms it's just the list pages, I'm sure most folks will continue to vote oppose. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:38, 31 August 2011 (EDT)
::Now I see the non-joke part of the proposal. {{User|Zero777}}

So the proposer tried to improve the proposal, but they're not allowed to actually change the proposal text so it was reverted. This was the updated version (new stuff in bold):
<blockquote>	
I wanted to know if we could '''duplicate''' all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] '''seprete''' the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''. '''This way we have a ''List of Mario games'', ''List of Donkey Kong games'', ''List of Wario games'' and ''Games'' were I want to merge all games there and we'll have four seprete acticles.'''</blockquote>
Too bad it doesn't actually clarify anything... - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:45, 1 September 2011 (EDT)
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 ==Discuss==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{SettledTPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|failed|3-8|no merge}}
-I wanted to know if we could merge all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[List of games|Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''.
+<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">NO MERGE 3-8</span>
+{{scroll box|content=
+I wanted to know if we could merge all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''.
 '''Proposer''': {{User|Jjrapper100}}<br>
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 ====Support====
 #{{User|Jjrapper100}} Per Proposal.
-#{{User|Arend}} - As what I assume, this proposal is about copying every game on this page (mostly ''Mario'' games only) to {{fake link|List of Mario Games}}, and combining ''every single video game article'', including the ''Donkey Kong'' and ''Wario'' games that have their separate page for games. Not a bad idea, in my opinion.
+#{{User|Arend}} - As what I assume, this proposal is about copying every game on this page (mostly ''Mario'' games only) to {{fakelink|List of Mario Games}}, and combining ''every single video game article'', including the ''Donkey Kong'' and ''Wario'' games that have their separate page for games. Not a bad idea, in my opinion.
 #{{User|ThirdMarioBro}} Since all of the Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario games are essentially Mario series games, it would make sense to put them all on the same page. We could still make headings to split the different sub-serieses, but, for the most part, all the games should be listed in one article. Per Arend. '''@Opposers: Read Walkazo's comment. We are not merging all of the game articles, just ''duplicating their information'' and ''listing them on one page''. Therefore, some of your arguments are invalid.'''
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 :::Sorry about that I was in a rush anyway I fixed it. {{unsigned|Jjrapper100}}
-Let me get this straight: the proposer basically wants to move this article to {{fake link|List of Mario games}} and use this page to combine all or the series games into one big collective list?--{{User|Knife}} 19:08, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
+Let me get this straight: the proposer basically wants to move this article to {{Fakelink|List of Mario games}} and use this page to combine all or the series games into one big collective list?--{{User|Knife}} 19:08, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
 :From what I can decipher, yes. --[[User:Reversinator|Reversinator]] 19:21, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
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 So the proposer tried to improve the proposal, but they're not allowed to actually change the proposal text so it was reverted. This was the updated version (new stuff in bold):
 <blockquote>
-I wanted to know if we could '''duplicate''' all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] '''seprete''' the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[List of games|Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''. '''This way we have a ''List of Mario games'', ''List of Donkey Kong games'', ''List of Wario games'' and ''Games'' were I want to merge all games there and we'll have four seprete acticles.'''</blockquote>
+I wanted to know if we could '''duplicate''' all Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wario games into one article and make a separate article for Mario, for example called ''List of Mario games'' and still keep [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] '''seprete''' the reason for this is because the name of the article is [[Games]] shouldn't that mean all games go here and not just Mario games. If not just rename the article ''List of Mario games''. '''This way we have a ''List of Mario games'', ''List of Donkey Kong games'', ''List of Wario games'' and ''Games'' were I want to merge all games there and we'll have four seprete acticles.'''</blockquote>
 Too bad it doesn't actually clarify anything... - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:45, 1 September 2011 (EDT)
+}}
-== [[Donkey Kong Racing]]? ==
-Should there be proof there was a cancelled game? I do not see it on the page. [[User:JWad]]
-: It's on [[List of Donkey Kong games]],  [[User:Jjrapper100|Jjrapper100]]
-== Nintendo 3DS Remake of Super Mario Sunshine ==
-Haven't you heard of the [[Nintendo 3DS]] remake of [[Super Mario Sunshine]]? {{User:McDonald McDuck/Sig}}
-Is there evidence that the Nintendo 3DS remake of Super Mario Sunshine is announced? {{User:McDonald McDuck/Sig}}
-==Discuss#2==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|failed|4-5|oppose}}
-I wanted to know if we could duplicate all Mario, Donkey Kong, Wario, and Yoshi games onto the article called "Games" which already exist then make a separate article for Mario, for example called "List of Mario games" as well as one for Yoshi called "List of Yoshi games" and still keep the acticles [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]] separated from "List of Mario games" and "List of Yoshi games", and "Games". The reason why I want to do this is because the name of the article is "[[List of games|Games]]" shouldn't that mean that all games here on MarioWiki go there and not just MARIO GAMES and YOSHI GAMES. If the proposal pases then there will be five seperete game articles one by the name of, "Games" which like I said already exist, the second one will have to be created and named by, "List of Mario games", a third will also have to be created and named by, ''List of Yoshi games'', and a fourth one by, ''List of Donkey Kong games'', and a fifth one by "List of Wario games". So if the propasal passes what I want to do is duplicate all games from the articles "List of Mario games", ''List of Donkey Kong games'', and ''List of Wario games'' and still keep their original articles but all their games will be duplicated onto the article "Games" which already exist however we will have to make one for "List of Mario games" and another for "List of Yoshi games". If this proposal passes the "Games" article will include all Mario, Donkey Kong, Wario, and Yoshi games respectively, but it wouldn't delete Mario's, Donkey Kong's, Wario's, and Yoshi's games list articles just duplicate their game information onto the article "Games".
-'''Proposer''': {{User|Jjrapper100}}<br>
-'''Deadline''': June 28, 2012, 23:59 GMT
-====Support====
-#{{User|Jjrapper100}} Per Proposal.
-#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per what I said in the comments of the last proposal and this proposal. "Games" implies all games, not just ''Mario'' (and ''Yoshi'') games; the current setup, with only ''Wario'' and ''Donkey Kong'' getting kicked out onto their own segregated lists, is inconsistent. The arguments against the change make little sense. Yes, this page would become longer, but not "ridiculously" long (things like [[Mario (franchise)]] are far more unwieldy), and it certainly doesn't mean that no one will read it: having big list of ''all'' the games can be quite useful sometimes. Besides, the new, separate, ''Mario'' and ''Yoshi'' lists would each be smaller than this page, so if someone only wants to see the hundred-plus ''Mario'' games without the couple dozen ''DK'' and ''Wario'' games cluttering it all up, they could still do that (and vice-versa, since the ''Wario'' and ''DK'' pages will remain as they are, only now they'll be joined by a ''Yoshi'' page too). Also, all the pages use the exact same template: all that would need to be done because of this is copying and pasting and fixing some numbers - it won't cause issues with the templates at all, so I have no clue where that argument's coming from either. There are a lot of things that make the wiki look bad; this change will not be one of them.
-#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Master R.O.B}} Per Walkazo.
-====Oppose====
-#{{User|SKmarioman}} This is unnecessary. If we duplicate all of the articles into one article it will make the pages ridiculously long and will also cause some issues with the templates. After all, it is a ''list'' of games.
-#{{User|Vommack}} Causes clutter, redundant, template problems, and makes pages ridiculously long(Who would read such a thing?). Also, anyone who goes to the article has all the lists neatly at the top of the page.
-#{{User|Loxo}} Per SKmarioman.
-#{{User|MarioSmasher}} - Per Vommack.
-#{{User|SuperFireBowserJr.}}- No, no and no. The list would be ridicously long,there would be problems with the templetes and we already have the lists neat and seperated. Plus it made the wiki look bad.
-====Comments====
-Remember to put <nowiki>{{TPP}}</nowiki> at the top of your proposal if you make one on a talk page. [[User:GreenDisaster|GreenDisaster]] 09:05, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
-:It was already done. [[User:Jjrapper100|Jjrapper100]] 11:40, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
-This should be calling for a new "List of Yoshi games" page to be created too - that way all the four main series get their own pages, rather than everything else being listed twice while the Yoshi games are only in "Games" (or jammed into the ''Mario'' list). That would make things ''completely'' fair and consistent. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 09:50, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
-:Great idea this is what I call a clever idea I'll be adding this into the proposal thank you very much Walkazo. [[User:Jjrapper100|Jjrapper100]] 11:40, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
-Just to clarify for the sake of anyone who might misunderstand, this is proposing that we convert this page, [[List of games|Games]], into a complete list of ''Mario'', ''Donkey Kong'', ''Wario'' and ''Yoshi'' games. In its current state, this page only has ''Mario'' and ''Yoshi'', whereas the other two series have their own separate pages: [[List of Donkey Kong games]] and [[List of Wario games]]. These two pages will '''not be deleted''' as a result of the master list's creation - quite the opposite, actually, since we will add to their number by creating a [[List of Mario games]] page and a [[List of Yoshi games]] page, essentially recreating this current page under a different name ("List of Mario games"), while at the same time getting rid of the inconsistency that sees ''Yoshi'' merged with ''Mario'' while ''DK'' and ''Wario'' are separate. This results in a '''total of five pages''', one for each series, and one central list of all the series mixed together (and including any games that don't fit into one of the four series, like the crossover ''SSB'' series or ''Captain Rainbow''). That way, both people looking through the '''games by series''' ''and'' those looking through '''all the games as a whole''' will have lists catering to their needs. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 14:37, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
-== Hacked games sold for money ? ==
-I think that the idea  written on the top of this page is a good one. We should create a subsection of this page or a new page listing the unofficial, unlicensed, hacked Mario games. Of course, they are non-canon so we shouldn't talk about them in others articles. {{User:Banon/sig}} 13:06, 10 November 2012 (EST)
-:Short list :
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Boy_I Super Boy I (MSX/Sega SG-1000)]
-*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6QXou6wIyw Super Boy II (Master System)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Boy_3 Super Boy III (MSX)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Boy_4 Super Boy 4 (Master System)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Mario#Pirates Super Boy IV (Master system)]
-*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somari Somari (Famicom/Nes)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_Special_3 (Game Boy Color)]
-*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlujvo3jN0o Super Mario World NES (NES)]
-*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0pV79uuMng Super Mario World/Super Mario Bros. (?) (Sega Genesis)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Bio_Man_4 Super Bio Man 4 (MSX)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Mario#Pirates Dr. Hello (MSX)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros._2_%28Mega_Drive%29 Super Mario Bros. 2 (Megadrive)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Mario#Pirates Super Mario World (Megadrive)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_World_64 Super Mario World 64 (Megadrive/Genesis)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Kart_Fighter Kart Fighter (Famicom/Nes)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_World_%28Famicom%29 Super Mario World (Famicom)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/World_Heroes_2 World Heroes 2 (Famicom)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Dian_Shi_Ma_Li Dian Shi Ma Li (Famicom)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/JY-120_%28A%29_1998_Super_45-in-1_Multicart JY-120 (A) 1998 Super 45-in-1 Multicart (Famicom)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_%26_Sonik_2 Super Mario & Sonik 2 (NES/Famicom)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Donkey_Kong Super Donkey Kong (Famicom)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Donkey_Kong_2 Super Donkey Kong 2 (NES/Famicom)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Donkey_Kong_%2799 Super Donkey Kong '99 (Megadrive/Genesis)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_4 Super Mario 4 (Game Boy)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/260-in-1_Multicart 260-in-1 Multicart (NES)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/1998_Super_HIK_4-in-1 1998 Super HIK 4-in-1 (Famicom)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#100-in-1 100 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#83-in-1 83 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#225-in-1 225 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#1997-in-1 1997 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#9999-in-1_.28version_2.29 9999 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#9999999-in-1 9999999 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Unchained_Melody_Multicarts#10000000-in-1 10000000 in 1 (NES/Famicom ?)]
-*[http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/1000-in-1_Multicart 1000 in 1 Multicart (NES/Famicom)]
-I also must check [http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Multicarts these ones]...
-For some of those I don't know if they are only roms or actual games sold for money. {{User:Banon/sig}}
-: There was [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:Proposals&oldid=1102732#Cover_Mario_Knockoffs a proposal about this] a while ago, and it failed hardcore. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 14:29, 10 November 2012 (EST)
-:: Ok, so I think I have no chance. But this proposal wanted to create pages, add informations in other pages about those games, and I agree that it is a bad idea. I talk about a subsection, or a small article. After all, we have [[Publication references|all]] [[Film references|kind]] [[Promotional references|of]] [[Music references|references]] [[Video game references|pages]] [[Television references|and]] [[Theatrical references|they]] [[Online references|are absolutely not]] [[Animation references|Nintendo-related]] (except for Video games reference, but they are not all Nintendo-related). {{User:Banon/sig}} 15:07, 10 November 2012 (EST)
-:::At the Super Mario Wiki, we only post official licensed stuff I'm afiad. [[User: New Super Yoshi|NSY]]
-::::[[MarioWiki:Coverage]]
-::::{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 05:58, 11 November 2012 (EST)
-:::::I understand, that's perfectly legitimate, but explain me the difference between an article/a subsection talking about unlicensed games, and [[Publication references|1]], [[Film references|2]], [[Promotional references|3]], [[Music references|4]], [[Video game references|5]], [[Television references|6]], [[Theatrical references|7]], [[Online references|8]], [[Animation references|9]] references pages. If Mario appears in the Simpsons, it is non-canon, not Nintendo-related and unofficial. But we still have 9 pages who talk about it. {{User:Banon/sig}} 06:03, 11 November 2012 (EST)
-''Mario'' references in popular culture are covered, not home-brews.
-{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 02:13, 16 November 2012 (EST)
-== The N/A meaning ==
-This should be used only for games that really never were released in a specific region, not for every game where the official release date couldn't be found, especially for AU releases. It's better to have "???? / ?? / ??", or if some details are known, something like "2002 / ?? / ??" can be used, instead of "''N/A''" which signifies that the game was never released at all. {{User:SKmarioman/sig}}
-== 3DS table ==
-I moved Donkey Country Returns 3D lower down in the table, but accidently messed up some colouring, could someone make it right? {{User|Yoshi876}}
-:There, should be all fixed now.
-:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 04:37, 24 February 2013 (EST)
-== Wii U new games ==
-You'll miss some games.
-{| class=sortable align="left" style="background: silver; border: 1px solid black; font-family:Arial;"
-|-
-! #
-! Game
-! JP release
-! NA release
-! EU release
-! AU release
-! Developer
-|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
-! 1
-| ''[[New Super Mario Bros. U]]''
-| 2012 / 12 / 08
-| 2012 / 11 / 18
-| 2012 / 11 / 30
-| 2012 / 11 / 30
-| [[Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development|Nintendo EAD]]
-|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
-! 2
-| ''[[Nintendo Land]]''
-| 2012 / 12 / 08
-| 2012 / 11 / 18
-| 2012 / 11 / 30
-| 2012 / 11 / 30
-| [[Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development|Nintendo EAD]]
-|- style="background:gold;"
-! 3
-| ''[[Game & Wario]]''
-| style="background:#fff;" | 2013 / 03 / 28
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 06 / 23
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 06 / 28
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 06 / 29
-| [[Intelligent Systems]]
-|- style="background:gold;"
-! 4
-| ''[[New Super Luigi U]]''
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 07 / 13
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 08 / 25
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 07 / 26
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013 / 07 / 27
-| [[Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development|Nintendo EAD]]
-|- style="background:gold;"
-! 5
-| ''[[Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games]]''
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013
-| [[SEGA]]
-|- style="background:gold;"
-! 6
-| ''[[Mario Kart (series)#Unnamed Wii U Mario Kart title|Mario Kart]]'' (tentative title)
-| style="background:gold;" | 2013<ref name="NPR">[http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=201033]</ref>
-| 2013<ref name="NPR"></ref>
-| 2013<ref name="NPR"></ref>
-| 2013<ref name="NPR"></ref>
-| [[Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development|Nintendo EAD]]
-|- style="background:gold;"
-! 7
-| ''[[Super Mario (series)#Unnamed Wii U Super Mario title|Super Mario]]'' (tentative title)
-| style="background:gold;" | ''TBA''
-| ''TBA''
-| ''TBA''
-| ''TBA''
-| [[Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development|Nintendo EAD]]
-|- style="background:gold;"
-! 8
-| ''[[Yarn Yoshi]]''
-| style="background:gold;" | ''TBA''
-| ''TBA''
-| ''TBA''
-| ''TBA''
-| [[Good-Feel]]
-|- style="background:gold;"
-! 9
-| ''Super Smash Bros.'' (tentative title)
-| style="background:gold;" | ''TBA''
-| ''TBA''
-| ''TBA''
-| ''TBA''
-| [[Sora|Project Sora]], [[Namco Bandai Games]]
-|- style="background: #FFFFFF;"
-! 10
-| ''[[New Super Mario Bros. Mii]]''
-| ''Cancelled''
-| ''Cancelled''
-| ''Cancelled''
-| ''Cancelled''
-| [[Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development|Nintendo EAD]]
-|}
-{{br}}
-Better? [[User:MMMe|MMMe]]
-===Genre?===
-Wouldn't make sense to add, genres I mean it would make navigation through the list better. If your unfamilar with Mario, i.e which game to pick out and which one to adviod.
-{{unsigned|217.212.230.224}}
-:If by genre you mean like platformer, RPG, Karting then it might be an idea, but I don't understand 'which one to avoid', because it sounds like that would be opinion based. {{User|Yoshi876}}
-: Yes, I meant that, i.e platformer, RPG, Karting, educational etc, of course i know its opinion based what one would want to play when it come to mario games, but I could hardly image many would want to stick with educational games like Mario's Missing and Mario's time machine etc. that's where the joke "which one to avoid came from". But to be serious I'm only intrested in the platormers it would make the list easier to navigate if genre are listed.{{unsigned|217.212.230.224}}