Editing Talk:Life Mushroom (Paper Mario series)

==(First topic)==
I'm not sure, but when I was fighting Bonetail either a Life Mushroom revived both my partner and then Mario or I had two Shrooms. Do you know if they can revive more than one? {{User:Supermariofan14/sig}}

You must've had 2 because they can only revive once. {{User:Yoshi104/sig}}

man thats just a copy from the 1-Up Mushroom.It has almost the same effect on the player but it was though different.-Club Penguin-

Yes, if both characters die at the same time, only one is used and both are revived. [[User:Avengah|Avengah]] 03:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

==Split [[Life Shroom]] to [[Life Shroom]] and [[Life Mushroom]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|14-10|split}}
Those are two different types of mushroom: in RPGs (and SPM) they don't let Mario die, refilling just 5 HP, while in 3D games they adding 3 pieces of health, giving Mario second chance so easy. When it'll be splitted I'll try to unstub it with info and stuff.

'''Proposer''': {{User|SWFlash}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 27, 2010, 23:59

====Support====
#{{User|SWFlash}} Per me
#{{User|Yoshiwaker47}} I agree that they are 2 different things.
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Yep, two different things. Zero signing out.
#{{User|New Super Mario}} Per Yoshiwaker47
#{{User|Phoenix}} I agree 100%, they even look different.
#{{User|Mikiuz}} Per all
#{{User|Laikue}} Per Redstar
#{{User|Yoshi's Island}} Per all. Two different things.
#{{User|Supernicknobros}} Despite what some of the opposing say about splitting other similar mushroom related pages, these 2 actually have different names, one being Shroom and other Mushroom. So, ya. :D
#{{User|Arend}} - They look different{{fake link|¹|the SMG one is red and has stars instead of spots, the PM1 one is pink, has white spots and includes a heart, the PM2 one is white and has hearts instead of spots}} and have a different effect{{fake link|²|The SMG one multiplies your life, the PM one revives you}}. And unlike Ice Mario, the name is slightly different, even though they mean the same.
#{{User|1337star}} Per all. The RPG one is more like a 1-Up in an RPG context (in fact, I'm surprised the two aren't merged) , while the SMG one doubles your life meter, and is more like an upgrade. Two entirely different things.
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} - Per all.
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} &ndash; As said above, they are two completely different items with two completely different functions. There are also different names: '''Life Shroom''' and '''Life Mushroom'''. Both items have different names used in official sources (the games themselves), so they should be split.
#{{User|Marioguy1}} - Per me in the comments, me on chat <small>and SMB in the comments and on chat</small>

====Oppose====
#{{user|Tucayo}} - No, they are the same thing, just with different effects. If that is your logic, then by it, we should split [[Mushroom]] into many pages for every game where it has a different effect? You even contradict yourself in [[Talk:Smile Meter]]!! Also, this is inconsistency. 
#{{User|Yoshigalaxy2}} What I think we should do, is make one single pages about mushrooms. Just put sections about certain types of mushrooms. So what if the page is long? More info the better, right?
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Per Tucky.
#{{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} - I understand that I'm going against my own grains ([[Talk:Ultra Shroom|here]]) with siding with the oppose, but there are many reasons why. If we do split this, than we have to split all the different mushroom articles that have different effects. We would have to make the Super Mushroom (M&L), Ultra Mushroom, and Max Mushroom pages again, and they were absolutely just stubs. This involves more than you think, and I don't want to have to redo all the hard I'd done. If you want proof, then look [[Talk:Mushroom|here]]. Doesn't that convince you enough to understand that it is too inconsistent and too much trouble (lots of problems definitely) to do this?
#{{User|Mario&Kirby180}} - No, as Tucayo said they are the same thing just with different outcomes. I oppose this split.
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Why is this being split for the same reason we are merging Smile Meter with Health Meter? I mean, these are both just life mushrooms, just like Smile Meter and Health Meters are just health meters. Yes, these mushrooms have different effects, but the Smile and Health Meter are not quite the same either. They look different, are replenished differently, and they lose damage a little differently. It's not consistent to have these split while those health meters are merged.
#{{User|Marioguy1}} - The word "Shroom" is a shortened version of the word "Mushroom" for those who don't want to type the entire thing. Honestly, AFAIK, "Shroom" isn't even a word (aside from The 'Shroom ([[MarioWiki:The 'Shroom/Sign Up|sign-up today]]) of course). If we split this article into "Life Shroom" and "Life Mushroom", we will be creating two articles effectively titled "Life Mushroom" which does not work out. If you look at my comment below, I have proposed an alternative but I oppose splitting the article into two other redundant titles.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} We're getting all fussed up over a "Mu," you know. Per all.
#{{User|Edofenrir}} - Per all.
#{{User|UltimatePetey}} Per all.
#{{User|WigglerWhoopin'Warrior135}} Per all.

====Comments====
Tucayo: Wait, Life Shrooms and Life Mushrooms are two totally different items despite similar sounding names. One appears in an RPG game where it revives you after you have fallen. The other appears in Super Mario Galaxy and adds three health to your total vitality. The two don't look like each other at all if you don't count the obvious Mushroom-looking shape. We can use the "Not to be confused by" template for Life Shroom and Life Mushroom. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
:Mushrooms are used to restore HP in SMRPG, while in the Mario Kart series it gives you a boost. And they don't look like each other at all, but despite that, they are in the same article. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 02:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't we just have one page titled "Life 'Shroom (Super Mario RPG)" and one titled "Life Mushroom (Super Mario Galaxy)" to clarify...?
{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 03:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Weird, someone (probably [[User:Yoshitanooki128|Yoshitanooki128]]) has already splitted them without waiting of 27 dec, should I close the proposal? {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
:Reverted edits. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}

At Tucayo's vote: there's a difference here, in that the Life Shroom and Life Mushroom have different effects AND different looks. And this isn't mentioned, but they have different names in most versions too. Life Meter and Health Meter have the same role, and the Mushrooom and "Turbo" Mushroom have the same look. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 16:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:Not the SMRPG mushroom, that one looks different. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 16:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:It looks more like a real-life mushroom, but it still has a red cap with white spots. As for the M&LSS Mushroom, it just has inverted colors. The only link between the Life Shroom and the Life Mushroom is that they're part of the Mushroom family, and give health back (which is a trait shared by most Mushrooms anyway). [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 17:07, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::Some of the RPG ones are yellow, they are still a mushroom, yes, but they don't look anything like the Mario Party mushrooms, not even do the same thing. Yet, they are in the same article. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 17:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah... Anyway, the Life Shroom and Life Mushroom have different look, different roles, and different names in most versions, so it's not exactly likely they are the same. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 17:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Ok, if that is the logic, then SWFlash is still contradicting himself, and both his TPPs can be opposed because they are inconsistent. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 17:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::The thing is, the Life Meter and Heart Meter have the same role, unlike the Life Shroom and the Life Mushroom. But this is my twisted logic talking here, so I'll just leave these proposals alone. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 17:39, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

SWFlash, I don't think you realized that you are proposing to split this for the same reason you want to merge [[Smile Meter]] with [[Health Meter]]. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:I propose this proposal be changed to something along the lines of "Split [[Life Shroom]] into [[Life Shroom]] and <font color=blue>Life Shroom (Mario Galaxy series)</font>" because "Life Shroom" and "Life Mushroom" are synonymous. A shortened version of a name does not make it a different thing - putting the difference in brackets is what changes it. Other than that, these two items have very different effects. {{User|Marioguy1}}

Ok, let's clear things up:<br>Do you see any differences between [[Super Mushroom]] and [[Super Shroom]]? Super Mushroom makes Mario bigger, while Super Shroom refills his energy by 10 HP units.
<gallery>
File:NSMBW Super Mushroom Artwork.png|Super Mushroom
File:Super Shroom TTYD.png|Super Shroom
</gallery>
I think I can get more supports with this. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
:Why would we merge Smile Meter and Health Meter and then split Life 'Shroom and Life Mushroom. Smile and Health Meters are both just meters anyways, and well, Life 'Shrooms and Life Mushrooms are both Life Mushrooms. {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}
::Fawfulfury: You're looking simply at the name, look beyond at the effect. They are clearly different items: one restores health and one changes Mario's form.
::SWFlash: Can you a see a difference between the definitions of Shroom and Mushroom? I hope not, because there is no difference. Shroom and Mushroom <u>mean the same thing</u> and I refuse to support a proposal which will give us two identically-named articles. {{User|Marioguy1}}

I'm not just looking at the name. The Smile Meter is not exactly the same as the Health Meter. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:The difference being? {{User|Marioguy1}}
::I said it in my vote. They are replenished differently, they look different, and, of course, they have different names. They also appear in different games and even in two different series. The Smile Meter shows you your character's mood and it works a little differently than some of the other Health Meters in the Mario games. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}

This argument is funny, really. The names are '''not''' the same. ''Life Mushroom'' and ''Life Shroom'' are different names. To say both items are the same based on '''''similar''''' (not even identical, just similar) names is speculation, which we do not cover on the wiki. We cover the facts: the indisputable fact in this case is that both items have different names, different effects, different appearances, and overall different functions. Both different names are used in each game itself. We have to go by what Nintendo says, not by what a dictionary would say. Also MG1, your refusal to have articles with the same name is void: first off, these items do not have the same name. Secondly, we have articles on items that share names. In example, let's say there is an item called "abc" in ''Game A'', and another completely different item called "abc" in ''Game B''. We'd make two articles for each item, and title it "abc (Game A)" and "abc (Game B)." If you oppose all articles having similar names, you'd have to go campaigning for these articles to be merged as well. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}

If these are split, I honestly think Smile and Health Meter should be split back as well because they don't have the same name either and all that I just said. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:@FF65: Not necessarily, the differences to Smile and Health Meter are skin-deep, this thing has a totally different effect.
:@SMB: Hm...so what you're basically saying is: Life Shroom and Life Mushroom are actually ''not'' the same thing, Life Shroom and Life Mushroom have both been confirmed, by their respective games, to be the official names of the items. The games confirming them as the names of the items turns them into proper nouns, and with proper nouns, the rules that usually apply to regular nouns no longer apply. Proper nouns are never synonymous with eachother unless they describe the same object, which this one (as I have stated) does not. Very well, I'll change my vote. {{User|Marioguy1}}