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| ==Merge Lava Bubble with [[Podoboo]]== | | ==Merge Lava Bubble with [[Podoboo]]== |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{SettledTPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|13-5|merge}} | | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|13-5|merge}} |
| Per the comment above. | | Per the comment above. |
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| ==Move to Lava Bubble== | | ==Move to Lava Bubble== |
| {{settled TPP}} | | {{settledTPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|8-0|move}} | | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|move}} |
| We should move this article. Recently, they are no longer called podoboo, being called "lava bubble" in Prima guides and in-game in mario party 8. | | We should move this article. Recently, they are no longer called podoboo, being called "lava bubble" in Prima guides and in-game in mario party 8. |
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| {{quote|I'm literally made of fire, and you're made of paper. Good luck, kindling. Bahaha!|Big Lava Bubble|Paper Mario: Color Splash}} | | {{quote|I'm literally made of fire, and you're made of paper. Good luck, kindling. Bahaha!|Big Lava Bubble|Paper Mario: Color Splash}} |
| :--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 20:57, 13 December 2016 (EST) | | :--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 20:57, 13 December 2016 (EST) |
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| ==''Super Mario Land 2''?==
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| The ''Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins'' [http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/ai/scans/guide.html#sml2ape Shogakukan guide] states the following of 「バブル」 (Bubble) on page 16: 「火の海からポコッこ飛び出す溶岩のカタマリ。このキャラも、マリオシリーズではもうおなじみのキャラだろう。」 (''A lava lump that pops out of the fire sea. This character is also quite a familiar one in the Mario series.'') The artwork that accompanies it is [[:File:SML2 Artwork - Bubble.png|this one]]. Now, the traditional Lava Bubble doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the game. The closest thing might be the Witch's fiery projectile (and the artwork seems to be facing the side as if moving horizontally instead of vertically); however, the guide lists the game's enemies in roughly the order they appear in when playing normally/clockwise save a few, and this "Lava Bubble" would appear to be listed among Mario's castle enemies. Further, ''[https://i.imgur.com/CFXNZBx.jpeg Daijiten]'' lists ''Land 2'' as an appearance but uses different artwork and doesn't go into detail, and ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' leaves it out. Might anyone have a clue on what happened here? Perhaps it was deleted/unimplemented late in development? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:44, January 19, 2022 (EST)
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| Update: the reason it was previously mistaken for Fire Mario's fireball is because it was reused from [[:File:SMW Art - Fire Mario.png|its ''Super Mario World'' artwork]] - so there isn't necessarily an indication it would've moved horizontally. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:13, January 24, 2022 (EST)
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| :I'd noticed that oddity in Daijiten before, maybe they're accidentally listing "Faia" twice or some manner of prototype thing? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:27, January 24, 2022 (EST)
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| ::I considered that (Fire Pakkun Zō's) "Faia" was just accidentally listed twice, but then I thought it was too strange since not only does the artwork show its different sizes, but its description literally brings up the big fire and small fire, and on the same page no less. Still, I did notice [[Bomubomu#Names in other languages|another mistake]] a page apart, so it's possible that this is also an error. I have a feeling this is a remnant of a hard-build [[Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins#Development|test version]], but as [[tcrf:Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins|TCRF]] doesn't mention leftover graphics or code, there's no way to verify that with current information. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:18, January 27, 2022 (EST)
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| :::Another thought occurred to me: since it reuses Fire Mario fireballs artwork, might it be referring to Fire ''Wario''{{'}}s fireballs? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:03, January 29, 2022 (EST)
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| ::::Potentially, but then you'd think it should be listed after Floating Face, not to mention the description is still off. On page 92, the description for Fire Wario's boss fight refers to his fireballs as 「ファイア」 (''faia'', fire), which happens to be the same as Fire Pakkun Zō's. For reference, page 22 describes Fire Mario's as 「ファイアボール」 (''faiabōru'', fireball). I don't think this is enough information to work with. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:32, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::Also, as expected, [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/character/mario/archives/land2/ Mario] [https://archive.ph/xw7hA Portal] leaves it out too. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:22, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::Another update: the [[:File:KC Mario Super Mario Land 2 Enemies.jpg|roll call]] from the Kodansha adaptation ''also'' includes the Bubble, in the top right area near F Boy. Note that the Fire Piranha statue's fire is also listed together in the bottom left. So as far as this artist was concerned, these are supposed to be separate things. You can check the [https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=14805.0 KC catelog] for it, but unfortunately, I couldn't find a good sign of what the Bubble could've been in the story. The closest might be [https://i.imgur.com/arGpHau.jpeg this scene] in part 3 where Wario relights the candles of defeated enemies to revive them before Mario and Luigi storm the castle, but that event obviously doesn't correspond to the game. Unknown if the KC artist was privvy to what the Bubble could've been, but part 1 released about nine months after the game, so make of that what you will. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:52, December 5, 2022 (EST)
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| == Shape ==
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| Would it be noteworthy to mention they look like ghosts? (Take the Ghost Monsters from Pac-Man, or Peepas for example). I know they have never directly been confirmed to BE ghosts, but they at least are shaped like a ghost, whether it was intentional or not). --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:27, March 6, 2024 (EST)
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| : Yeah. Plus, the Perfect Mario Encyclopedia and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door says they are ghosts. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:35, March 17, 2024 (EDT)
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| == Where did the name "Podoboo" come from? ==
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| I've always preferred calling these guys Lava Bubbles (mainly because the name has been more frequently used since ''Super Mario Galaxy''), but I've never understood the origin behind their other name, Podoboo. Does anyone know where it comes from? ([[User:Its-A-Me-Austin|Its-A-Me-Austin]] ([[User talk:Its-A-Me-Austin|talk]]) 21:25, August 12, 2024 (EDT))
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| :It's most likely gibberish created by NoA's localizers who thought "bubble" sounded too innocuous.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 22:01, August 12, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::Thing is, "Lakitu" turned out to be derived from "Alkitu," a location near NoA's HQ, so there could easily be a similar obscure basis. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:01, August 13, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::Do you mean Tukwila? I'm probably the [[Talk:Lakitu#Origin_of_Lakitu.27s_name|first person to point it out on the internet]].--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 01:34, August 13, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::D'oh. Sorry, sleepy here, mixed it up with my initial assumption it came from "altitude." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:42, August 13, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Maybe it's a pun on a term from a different language? For example, it sounds a bit like "peau de boute", which apparently means "butt skin" in French. I don't think this is necessarily the term they based Podoboo on, but I can imagine that if it was, they'd probably name it like that since they could set your butt on fire (as they're jumping out of lava pools you're jumping over, making your butt an easy target to hit from underneath). {{User:Arend/sig}} 03:19, August 13, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::My crack at it: "podo" may come from "''pod-''", which in some Slavic languages translates to "under", "sub" or "beneath", ie. they come at you from below; "boo" may be from similar origin as Boo, also considering their occasional description as ghosts, and was probably the reason the enemies got renamed. That, or Podoboo came from a smudged fax. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:24, August 13, 2024 (EDT)
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| == Fire bars are not related to lava bubbles ==
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| Why is fire bar on the relative section? They not act any similar to normal lava bubbles and aren't even enemies. [[Special:Contributions/148.252.132.184|148.252.132.184]] 18:44, December 23, 2024 (EST)
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