Editing Talk:Lakitu Travel

==Merge Lakitu Travel into [[List of Implied Organizations]]==
{{TPP}}

'''Proposer:''' {{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' August 25, 2010, 23:59

I propose that we merge this because all that was mentioned from it was by a Lakitu and the organization itself made no appearance other than being mentioned, so I say this deserves a merge.

===Merge===
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} I'm the proposer, I say so.
#{{User|Booderdash}} the 5-volt thing is a completly different matter. What about the "business" the [[Businessman]] in TTYD goes to?
#{{User|FireBabyLuigi11}} per Booderdash. But this is on the edge of choosing the merge or if I go against it.
#{{User|Mr bones}} Per BLOF
#{{User|Frostyfireyoshi}} One in-game reference, never appears again, unlike Goom University. Merge. Or possibly switch this with GU.
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! What are the chances for them to appear in another game; nothing more can be added. Per all. Zero signing out.

===Leave it alone===
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Same reason we shouldn't merge 5-Volt. They are not implied, they are seen. The Lakitu works for them, therefore it is definitely a real organisation.
#{{User|Superboo922}} Per MrCD. Technically it is seen, not implied.
#{{User|Tomz123}}Per all
#{{User|FourPaperHeroes}}Per all
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per all.
#{{User|Homestar Runner}} Per all.
#{{User|Mario jc}} Per MrConcreteDonkey and Superboo922.
#{{User|Fuzzipede27}} Per all.

===Comments===
MrConcreteDonkey: [[List of Implied Organizations#Hospital|This]] and some others such as the Luigi Fan Club Members are also seen but are listed as an implied organization. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
:They don't claim to be from the hospital-they may be from anywhere. And the Luigi Fan Club is only a fan club and they are very minor, and can disband at any time. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}
::Same with Lakitu Travel regarding the Luigi Fan Club.

{{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
:::A transportation service, which is established, like something you would find in a Phone Book, is way more major than a small fan club. We also see an employee at work for this, so it is less implied than the other things. It's unlikely, but Goom University and all them may not exist. The people may not have been telling the truth. We have solid proof Lakitu Travel exists, and even a trivia section. And I have no idea why Goom University, Diamond Software or the wrestling thing should be in IMLIED orgainisations anyway. Here's what the Oxford Popular Dictionary & Thesaurus says: DICTIONARY: suggest without stating directly, THESAURUS:hint, indicate, insintuate etc. List of Hinted Orgainisations-Do you think something directly talked about can be classed as hinted? These organisations are all known to exist, they aren't just hinted (with the exception of the Hospital and the Luigi fan club), they are proven to exist and should not be in there after all. And Beanbean air's mention is so insignificant, it doesn't matter and is not seen.  The Ratooey businessman doesn't even name the businesses and they are not seen. He is very insignificant, and only a tiny part of the story. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

What about Beanbean air, Goom University, diamond softwre, or the wrestling thing MCD? Theres even a PICTURE of the wrestling thing, you get to see the beanbean air, and 2 people from the Goom university is seen,and we see  millin diamond software employees and even it itself once. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:Well, maybe they all shouldn't be in there, and we shouldn't make this mistake again. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}
::Goom U deserves to have it's own page more than this, and it's stuck there. Just one more reason. There is more references to Goom U than this. Heck, in TTYD it's referenced all the time. {{User:FireBabyLuigi11/sig}} 15:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Mr concrete donkey, so maybe there even SHOULDN'T BE a list of implied anything, if we go by your standards. This is implied. We don't care if we saw an employee there or not. Its implied, its irrlevant to the game compared to other things, theres a 99.99999999999999% chance its never appearing again. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}

MCD, I am not like zero trying to merge everything I see. Remember save block and save album? I try to merge for the sake of conveinency and for the relevance of the article. They're a million stubs out there that don't give a more intense version of darn. Just stuff like this is completly ridiculous. YOU on the other hand seem to want to make seperate articles on everything on te wiki not caring if its just a speck of dust. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:Well, every spec of dust on this Wiki is important, and it isn't even a stub so it is causing no problems. Implied does not mean mentioned. Implied means hinted but not mentioned, as if the Lakitu said "I may start a travel organisation because of this, called Lakitu Travel!" That would be implied, not "Thank you for choosing Lakitu Travel." I accept you aren't just nominating random stubs, I just wanted to put the point across that some things are good where they are. Anyway, not all of them should be split, just the ones actually mentioned and existent while the game happens. By the way, why remove the trivia section? So this won't fail? {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

No the trivia section is irrelevant to the article fanon. Thats why. If this wasn't a proposal I STILL would've removed it.  Also, no thats where you're wrong. Every spec on this wiki ISN"T important. Many things like this BELONG in implied. Thats why it was made. Besides, there is a different meaning in this wiki. Imply mneans unnesscary, very little is known about it (notmuch is known about Lakitu travel besides from that one guy) and it will probably not appear in another game. Like Peach's dad. in the list of implied characters, hes mentioned, and DIRECTLY mentiond but hes still in that section. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}

What about Beanben Air huh? Both are travel organizations and Beanben Air is in the list of implied organizations!{{User:Mr bones/sig}}

Beanbean Air is mentioned by a very insignificant NPC and doesn't have a role in the main story, whereas Lakitu Travel does. And anyway, yes people like Peach's Dad should be in Implied because they are not actually seen, only mentioned. Lakitu Travel, or at least someone from them are seen, and that makes all the difference, for example, if Kylie Koopa dropped from offscreen and said "We just got here by Lakitu Travel", then that would be implied. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

Have you even played the games? The lakitu here is ALSO a VERY insignificant NPC. For all we know, perhaps the Lakitu just brought them there, and there are no lakitu travel like maybe goom university doesn't exist. And Lakitu travel has no role in the story either. In fact Kylie Koopa herself is very insignificient to the real role of the story. Peach was actually INSIDE Beanbean air and so was Mario and Luigi at the nd of the game! {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:Well, first of all, Kylie Koopa is quite significant, if what you say about Beanbean Air is true, then that doesn't belong there either. Anyway, what says that was Beanbean Air? It could have bean (get it?) any other air travel service. And Lakitu Travel is real, the Lakitu claims to be from it. How much more proof do you need. '''IMPLIED ORGANISATIONS ARE NOT CONFIRMED TO EXIST, SO HOW CAN SOMEONE BE AN EMPLOYEE OF SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT EXIST?''' {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

Yes but Kylie Koopa wasn't the one saying it. It was the Lakitu who said thanks for using the travel and the lakitu is insignificient and like you said could be lying. Again, have you even played the game? I'veplayed and beaten it like 20 times. And if you've reached that point, you would know that the lakitu travel and the lakitu is only seen BREIFLY and never appears again. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:Yes, well it's used to transport two fairly major characters. And how many times do I need to tell you? It DOES exist if someone works for it! {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}
::'''AND THEY DIDN'T GO HOME BY BEANBEAN AIR AT ALL-THEY WENT IN PEACH'S PRIVATE AIRPLANE!''' {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}
:::Well, I know the Beanbean Air was seen somewhere. I think Peach was in it? And stop adding those three quote things. Calm down man, its not like we're negotaiting drugs here. But the main thing is list of implied actually means list of UNIMPORTANT things. I mean, most of the thngs on there aren't Implied, but they're unimportant.{{User|Booderdash}}
::::All that was mentioned of Beanbean Air was by one unimportant NPC with about 1 appearance, and it was optional to talk to that person-thing...Also, implied means hinted at existing, not unimportant. {{User|MrConcreteDonkey}}
And the Profesor Frankly works for the Goom University. Plus Goombella and Professor Frankly are even MORE of a significance than Kylie and Toadbert. Really, your own logic is failing you right now. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:Oh really? Well, if you read my comments, you would see that I disagree to keeping University of Goom in there. And now you are questioning why something, which is extremely similar to something you want to merge, is merged in the first place, then you are arguing against yourself. {{User|MrConcreteDonkey}}
::No, I actually don't care about goom university being in there. I'm just saying since its already in there THIS should ALSO be in there. Really implied means unimportant was decided a long time ago. You can't change it just because you want to unless you put it up as a main proposal. And Beanbean air is significant because then what the Hades is Beanbean airport for? Hookers? Of course there would be a beanbean air if there was a beanbean airport. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}

:::Guys, you're going off topic. You can argue about this in the article's respective talk pages. Now, we're supposed to be dealing with merging Lakitu Travel with List of Implied Organizations. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
:::: ...... Have you read our conversation at all? We're talking about putting Lakitu travel in there. We're not off topic. We're just putting more examples in with it. Anyways, Im on your side. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:::::Yes, I read it. At first, you and MCD were listing examples and debating about them, but then, you guys go into a debate whether to leave Bean Bean Air and Goom University in the list or not, which has nothing to do with Lakitu Travel. Yeah, I agree with you too in that debate, but that debate shouldn't belong in Lakitu Travel discussion page. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}

Oh..., well then I was sidetracked, my point is that Lakitu travel is unimportant and thats why it belongs in there. Thats all I have to say. I've got to go now anyways. MCDs point is that if it WASn'T implied it deserves its own articles, which is not true. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:It was not implied, you say you have completed PiT over 20 times and still can't remember whether Lakitu Travel existed? Implied means only hinted at existing, like if a little kid said "I wanna join the Mushroom Brigade!" then that would be implied. Implied Organisations is not for unimportant things, it's for things tha tare only hinted at existing, á la Beanbean Air; you're getting it mixed up. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

Even Lakitu Travel is hinted at existing. I mean, have we ever seen it in the game? NO! We didn't! We have only seen a lakitu.{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
:Um, well, yes we see a Lakitu, but that Lakitu is an employee. It is not hinted at existing if it is mentioned and someone who works for it is seen. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

Brooklyn Plumbing School, Chippie Chipmunks we have only seen Mario in them as a member, However, the organizations were never seen! Alot of other organizations too, like Diamond Software, Feather Club for Crows, we have seen the mumbers, but not the organizations...{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
:Well, sometimes the employees are enough, and this is the case. I mean, come on, this isn't even a stub {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

Somtimes? And when sometimes? Also, those ain't no stubs neither! And what about Mushroom Wrestling Federation? The employee is present but it's in the LOIO(list of implied organizations)!{{User:Mr bones/sig}}

You have your priorties mixed up MCD. It does't matter if its not a stub. Its not important, and its never seen ingame and will never appear in a future game. If it does by a million to one odds, then we'll split but otherwise no. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:All of that does not matter anyway. The true point is that is is not implied, because implied means only hinted, and when mentioned by an employee that definitely means it exists, not only hinted. It does not matter if it is unimportant, nor if it is a stub, and definitely not if it will never appear again. The point is that IMPLIED organsitions are not where you can dump things that are unimportant and can't be merged into anything else. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

Why are you taking things so literal? On the WIKI it means unimportant. Its always been that since 2008. It doesn't mean hinted. It means an existing thing that has no importance to the mario universe like a single town hosipital in real life. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}

Actually, Implied in this wiki means mentioned and not seen. And this is mentioned and '''not''' seen!--[[User:Mr bones|Mr bones]] 10:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:Lakitu Travel is seen! Sorry, but whether it's on the Wiki or not, implied means the same thing. If you think it means unimportant, then why isn't it called Minor Organisations or something like that. What proof do you have, apart from the organisations mistakedly put there that implied means unimportant on this Wiki. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}
::Lakitu Travel ISN'T seen! Lakitu Travel is only mentioned ONCE and only once and never appears again! Its both minor and it actually IS just hinted. Where do we see THEM? We only see someone who ''claims'' they're part of a lakitu travel. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:::That's all we need to see of them to prove they aren't implied. Lakitu Travel is mentioned and seen, therefore it is not implied. It must be real because Kylie Koopa and the other guy would have had to go to them or call them. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}
::::Again, like you said the lakitu might be lying. The Lakitu could be the same lakitu that video taped Mario in Super Mario 64, or it could be a random lakitu that chased Mario around in Super Mario world. It doesn't matter its IMPLIED, hinted but not seen. What about this: Mario and Luigi's parents? Do THEY deserve their own article? They're even SEEN, part of their arms. And they're definitly existing. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:::::I never said he could be lying. He's almost definitely telling the truth. What proof do you have that he isn't telling the truth? Mario and Luigi's Parents' arms are the only things seen of them, and that's not enough. They could be anyone's arms. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

What proof do you have that the goom university doesn't exist? {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
:More than Lakitu Travel. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}

No, the SAME as lakitu travel. Have you even played the game? You don't even notice Lakitu Travel! The Lakitu is a employee of lkitu travel, and hes INSIGNIFICICANT. While professor frankly and goombella are both MAIN characters and goombella is a student and frankly works there. really, theres MORE information about Goom university than Lakitu Travel. Lakitu Travel '''is not seen'''. Where is it seen? Wheres the bus or anything? We only see one lakitu with nothing but a fishing pole which does not qualify as seen. It is implied. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}

==Just to avoid missunderstandings==
How is the lakitu from SMRPG in the organization? That is a '''Royal Bus'''! A '''Royal''' one! Led by a '''Royal''' king! You know, it can't be, not even 1 percent of chance, the Lakitu Travel!{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
:Maybe it changed its name. sorta like AnimalmBuddies to Jungle Buddies. it's just trivia. {{User:BluePikminKong497/sig}} 16:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::Aha! Maybe, Maybes are not real. Trivia is something that is almost real, like 80 percent real. We can say lots and lots of maybes and they're not real!{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
:::Its FANON, NOT ALLOWED, go talk about it with an admin. They'll surely remove it. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
::::Okay, okay. We're gonna ask an admin...And the problem is solved, agreed?{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
:::::Its nit fan on if it appeared in the game. {{User:BluePikminKong497/sig}} 16:08, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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-==Merge [[Lakitu Travel]] into [[List of Implied Organizations]]==
+==Merge Lakitu Travel into [[List of Implied Organizations]]==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|12-9|merge lakitu travel into list of implied organizations}}
 '''Proposer:''' {{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}}<br>
-'''Deadline:''' <s>September 1, 2010, 23:59</s>  <s>September 8, 2010, 23:59</s> September 15, 2010
+'''Deadline:''' August 25, 2010, 23:59
 I propose that we merge this because all that was mentioned from it was by a Lakitu and the organization itself made no appearance other than being mentioned, so I say this deserves a merge.
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 #{{User|Frostyfireyoshi}} One in-game reference, never appears again, unlike Goom University. Merge. Or possibly switch this with GU.
 #{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! What are the chances for them to appear in another game; nothing more can be added. Per all. Zero signing out.
-#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} Who knows if that Lakitu is making a joke? If that Lakitu was dressed up, I may have opposed, but this Lakitu is just like any other one. No one can prove if this organization exists or not, so I think it's better off as an implied organization.
-#{{User|Cosmic Blue Toad}} Per Baby Mario Bloops, CosmicRedToad, and Edofenrir.
-#{{User|CosmicRedToad}} It says, "Implied Organizations". Have we seen the headquarters of this organization? Have we proof that this organization exists? We have proof of a ''possible'' employee, but we don't know whether he really is one or not. Also, per Edofenrir.
-#{{User|Edofenrir}} - The organization seems to not exist outside of that one quote. It is highly possible that the Lakitu was kidding. If there is an advertisement for the company somewhere in the game, or a logo, or pretty much anything that makes it clear it is existing I will change my mind, but under this circumstances, I cannot.
-#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.
-#{{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} - Once, only one member shown, mentioned, so all those prove that it is implied. When it is only mentioned in a statement, it is implied, and there is no real evidence besides that lakitu that the company even exists!
 ===Leave it alone===
-#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Same reason we shouldn't merge 5-Volt. They are not implied, they are seen. The Lakitu works for them, therefore it is definitely a real organisation. And come on guys, List of Implied Organsisations isn't where you dump stuff you consider to be unimportant.
+#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Same reason we shouldn't merge 5-Volt. They are not implied, they are seen. The Lakitu works for them, therefore it is definitely a real organisation.
 #{{User|Superboo922}} Per MrCD. Technically it is seen, not implied.
 #{{User|Tomz123}}Per all
 #{{User|FourPaperHeroes}}Per all
+#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per all.
 #{{User|Homestar Runner}} Per all.
 #{{User|Mario jc}} Per MrConcreteDonkey and Superboo922.
 #{{User|Fuzzipede27}} Per all.
-#{{User|mrblob1012}} yeah implied means it might not be real by this is real
-#{{User|Ralphfan}} It's really impossible to tell if Lakitu Travel is real or not.  I say keep it as is.
 ===Comments===
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 No, the SAME as lakitu travel. Have you even played the game? You don't even notice Lakitu Travel! The Lakitu is a employee of lkitu travel, and hes INSIGNIFICICANT. While professor frankly and goombella are both MAIN characters and goombella is a student and frankly works there. really, theres MORE information about Goom university than Lakitu Travel. Lakitu Travel '''is not seen'''. Where is it seen? Wheres the bus or anything? We only see one lakitu with nothing but a fishing pole which does not qualify as seen. It is implied. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
-The article that is supposed to describe the organization mostly talks about how Kylie Koopa and Toadbert arrives and those Cobalt Star Shards. {{User|LeftyGreenMario}}
-Look here [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Lakitu_Travel&diff=prev&oldid=157011 it] was '''it was originally in the implied category'''. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
-:Aaand then it was later removed. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 16:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
-i have a qustion who put the waffle kingdom in the implied section i mean we have 5 people who say the traveld with luigi (and dont give me the he paid them argument cause that makes no sense because they pretty much said hes a lying idiot) {{User|mrblob1012}}
-:It's IMPLIED. The actual place was never seen. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
-::This is going off-topic. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 16:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
-MCD! Like edo said, the organization does not exist outside that quote. The lakitu may be just kiddin'! You see, we heard this kind of things in movies and stuff, some random dude who helps his friends says "Bob's digging company at your service!" (i use bob alot...), but that company does not exits, he was just kidding and shows his "bright idea" to escape/solve the problem. This is not going off topic.{{User:Mr bones/sig}}18:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
-Mcd, again, you think Nurse Toadstool who (at the time we didn't know might not even be the same person) is so insignificant it should be with Peach, but this shouldn't be? This is as uneeded as [[Final 5 Events]], and we remember, its NOT seen. Its IMPLIED. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}
 ==Just to avoid missunderstandings==