Editing Talk:Kuribo

==Boss?==
Would Kuribo be considered a boss, as Mario and Luigi are forced to battle it? {{User:DKPetey99/sig}}

Not really seeing that the boss music doesn't play during the battle. {{unsigned|155.143.16.99}}

== Necessary? ==

This article doesn't seem altogether necessary, especially as the trivia states that "Kuribo is still referred to as Sockop" in battle. There's nothing notable or interesting about this particular Sockop of the group except that it was named in localization as a throwaway reference to Kuribo's Shoe. It makes more sense to redirect to Sockop or Goomba's Shoe. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:25, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

The info can easily be merged into the Sockop page for sure, but as for the redirect: while I lean more towards Goomba's Shoe being the target, this ''might'' be a case of disambiguation, though I'm not 100% on that. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 11:20, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

:Per [[MarioWiki:Minor NPCs]], Kuribo does in fact warrant an article. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 19:00, May 12, 2020 (EDT)
::Per Minor NPCs: "''While the Super Mario Wiki '''encourages''' making articles on offically named Minor NPCs, SMW '''discourages''' making conjecturally named Minor NPC articles.''" It's a suggestion, not a rule, which is already broken since the [[Giant Sockop|unnamed boss]] has an article as a notable subject. Outside of a quick joke a localizer added because Sockops resemble Kuribo's Shoe in general, nothing is particularly notable about "Kuribo" apart from the other quarreling Sockops. The Sockop that Luigi rides is arguably more notable, but all of them are called "Sockop" in battle regardless. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:36, May 13, 2020 (EDT)
:::Okay, in that case it's encouraged for Kuribo to have an article, it has one, and I don't see a reason to take it away. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:38, May 13, 2020 (EDT)
::::Wouldn't it be better organized if Kuribo redirects to Sockop since the physical resemblance to Kuribo's Shoe clearly refers to all Sockops instead of just one? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:45, May 13, 2020 (EDT)
:::::Except only this specific Sockop is actually named Kuribo? It's not about resemblance to the Goomba's Shoe, it's about being a named character. Getting rid of a named character's article for the sake of "organization" by having the partial name of the item its species is based on redirect to the species itself doesn't make any sense to me. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:23, May 13, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Again, the joke is that the English localizer thought that the creature resembled Kuribo's Shoe. It doesn't matter if it's named in one line of dialog if the game pretty much tells us that it's no different from the other Sockops in battle. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:20, May 13, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::So if I have this right, even though MarioWiki:Minor NPCs supports the creation and existence of this article, you want to get rid of it because it was first named in a localization? I really don't see a justifiable reason to get rid of the article otherwise, and I think you can probably guess what my stance on this would be from other discussions, so I don't feel the need to say anything else. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 17:55, May 13, 2020 (EDT)
::::::::The policy also "encourages" [[Talk:Chompy|Chompy]], but your stance in that proposal clearly means that you are fully aware that exceptions are made within reason (again, like [[Giant Sockop]]). Nothing is unique to this article that couldn't already be said more [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|concisely]] in the main article because the Sockops are such minor enemies overall and the most notable thing people remember them for is that someone pointed out for fun that they vaguely resemble Kuribo's Shoe; again, the one with the name isn't at all treated as a particularly notable individual within the context of the game itself, something that the battle system pretty much tells you not even a minute later. Also, for the record, I'm not inherently opposed to giving unique subjects that were only seemingly named in localization their own articles, such as [[Subspace Warp]] or [[Hunter Wario]]. My issue with "Kuribo" is that the addition is simply very cosmetic in the script; if it was instead the name given to the Giant Sockop (which, by the way, shrinks to normal Sockop size before Luigi rides it, thus why it's just a Sockop in battle), that would be an example of a notable NPC that needs an article title, but the NPC that the name is actually attributed to is otherwise not treated as notable in any aspect whatsoever, so making an article out of it is pointless in my opinion. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:55, May 15, 2020 (EDT)

== Merge with Sockop proposal ==

===Merge with [[Sockop]]===
{{TPP}}
Earlier this year I made a proposal to merge [[Jerry (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)]] with [[Magikoopa Mob]] (click/tap [[Talk:Jerry (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)#Merge with Magikoopa|here]] for the link to that proposal) and it succeeded. Having played the original game recently, I feel the same thing should be done about Kuribo, a normal [[Sockop]] who just so happens to have a name. Like Jerry, this is just a typical enemy with a name that has nothing remarkable about it.

This proposal's goal is to merge Kuribo with its species, Sockop. If this succeeds, some of Kuribo's information will transfer to Sockop's article.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Sparks}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 16, 2024, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Sparks}} Per proposal!
#{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} Was most likely a throwaway line like the "Johnsons" in the Paper Mario games.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per proposal and Nightwicked Bowser.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
#{{User|Arend}} Per all. I'd also suggest making "Kuribo" a redirect to [[Goomba]] and putting a {{tem|redirect}} template in regards of the Kuribo name.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all. I also agree with Arend's suggestion.

====Oppose====

====Comments====
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 ===Merge with [[Sockop]]===
-{{Settled TPP}}
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-{{Proposal outcome|passed|9-0|Merge}}
 Earlier this year I made a proposal to merge [[Jerry (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)]] with [[Magikoopa Mob]] (click/tap [[Talk:Jerry (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)#Merge with Magikoopa|here]] for the link to that proposal) and it succeeded. Having played the original game recently, I feel the same thing should be done about Kuribo, a normal [[Sockop]] who just so happens to have a name. Like Jerry, this is just a typical enemy with a name that has nothing remarkable about it.
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 #{{User|Arend}} Per all. I'd also suggest making "Kuribo" a redirect to [[Goomba]] and putting a {{tem|redirect}} template in regards of the Kuribo name.
 #{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all. I also agree with Arend's suggestion.
-#[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) - Realistically, anyone searching for "Kuribo" is trying to figure out the mysterious owner of "Kuribo's shoe," not a localization-only throwaway reference to that very item.
-#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Agreed with Arend.
-#{{User|DryBonesBandit}} Per all.
 ====Oppose====
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