Editing Talk:Koopa Troopa

I've noticed that a lot of members of the koopa troop, Magikoopas, Hammer Bros, Spiny, and even Bowser are referred to as Koopas which in this wiki redirects to Koopa Troopa.  Now Bowser and Spiny are definitely not Koopa Troopas.  Should we have a separate article about all "koopa" species, or is that unnecessary since [["Bowser's Minions|Koopa Troop]] and [[Koopa Troopa]] both provide a lot of information?  Either that, or could [[Koopa]] redirect to Koopa Troop instead?  Sorry if I am being nitpicky :(

:Personally, I'd like to see "Koopa" be an article in its own right too. A while ago, I actually separated {{tem|Koopas}} and {{tem|Koopa Troopas}} for this very idea - as you said, Bowser is not a Koopa Troopa. But the problem is that Nintendo is absolutely horrendous at providing specific terms for us to cling to (i.e. Bowser has no official species name, so we have nowhere to put him), so we're stuck using the quintessential Koopa Troopa as a proxy for a page dedicated to "Koopas" as a whole. Putting the general information on the Koopa Troop page wouldn't do because it's a military organization, and thus, does not represent all Koopas; it also includes non-Koopas, and many species some would consider Koopas while others wouldn't (i.e. [[Clubba]]s). Also, creating a stand-alone "Koopa" page runs the risk of turning out like the horrendous {{fake link|Alien}} page: it smashes together snippets of information from various sources and tries to make it seem like one big unit, but fails miserably. Similarly a "Koopa" page would be expected to have notes on Koopa culture and Koopa history, which, given what we have to work on, will turn out as fragmented as the Alien page. The only thing we could do is lists of notable Koopas and of the species, though like I said before, stating what is and isn't a Koopa may not be as black an white as one would hope. Lists are disappointing to most readers, but anything more would be more original research than hard facts, which is frowned upon here; we'll have to cite everything to make it credible, and that's something most users don't seem to be up for. It'd be a huge undertaking, but if it's done right, I think it'd be worth it. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 01:37, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

{{Settled TPP}}

{{Proposal outcome|red|don't split 2-0-11}}

#{{User|Mario}} I don't appreciate the dismissive attitude because you ''can'' technically make a point that two enemies that look different and behave differently should be given separate articles. After all, Mario RPGs aren't shy of the recolored enemy RPG trope. If you look at just the platformers and the Baseball games, you could make a case for a split (although the Baseball is an extremely weak case since stat changes associated with color swaps are common). But no, they appear in several interchangeable roles in spinoffs, nonvideo game media, and other things, as Walkazo said. Despite this, one could argue that we also have colored Yoshis that are given separate articles, but they have different, distinct roles in Yoshi's Story mainly. Walkazo's Koopalings sounds like a strawman because we don't even know what specific species they are, and since they are apparently siblings, it's assumed that they're the same species anyway, so it's more clear-cut here. Anyway, if you're considering splitting the Koopa colors, you might as well split the [[Snifit]] and [[Birdo (species)|Birdo]](!) colors too. Minor behavior differences tied to color variants aren't limited to Koopa Troopas, you know?