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This conjecturally titled page was created without a proposal, and marginally defies a previous proposal that merged "Bowser Baddies" into the page that is now called [[Bowser's Minions]], and is about Koopa Troopas as they appear in the first two ''Mario & Luigi'' games. The motivation for this split was because of the aviator gear, though there are no "generic" Koopa Troopas in those games to lack said gear - the only other Koopa Troopas in those games are variations ([[Dry Bones]] in both, [[Troopea]]s and allies as well as [[Ankoopa]]s in the former) or specific named characters ([[Kylie Koopa]] in the latter). ''Superstar Saga'', with its extra-goofy, whimsical artstyle, wasn't exactly a model for design consistency with other games. And of course, the remake nixes said gear entirely to portray them as bog-standard-design Troopas (as the other BIS-onward M&L games portrayed nonspecific, nonvariant Troopas) in every sense to better segue into the "Minion Quest" campaign. | This conjecturally titled page was created without a proposal, and marginally defies a previous proposal that merged "Bowser Baddies" into the page that is now called [[Bowser's Minions]], and is about Koopa Troopas as they appear in the first two ''Mario & Luigi'' games. The motivation for this split was because of the aviator gear, though there are no "generic" Koopa Troopas in those games to lack said gear - the only other Koopa Troopas in those games are variations ([[Dry Bones]] in both, [[Troopea]]s and allies as well as [[Ankoopa]]s in the former) or specific named characters ([[Kylie Koopa]] in the latter). ''Superstar Saga'', with its extra-goofy, whimsical artstyle, wasn't exactly a model for design consistency with other games. And of course, the remake nixes said gear entirely to portray them as bog-standard-design Troopas (as the other BIS-onward M&L games portrayed nonspecific, nonvariant Troopas) in every sense to better segue into the "Minion Quest" campaign. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} | ||
'''Deadline''': August 14, 2024 | <br> | ||
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:I thought there was a consistent guideline for what constitutes an article? [[MarioWiki:Conjectural names]] states "if the subject is notable enough" and [[MarioWiki:Naming#Conjectural_names]] states "If the only available indication of a subject's name is a generic term or phrase rather than a clear name, then that description may be used", this page seemed to meet that standard. If it doesn't, figuring out why one article passes while another fails, seems relevant to finding clarity to what the policy guideline actually is. You even made the "green-hatted Goombas living in Rogueport" comparison which I actually found helpful in illustrating what the line is. Without a consistent policy guideline, wouldn't articles would be just determined on if users subjectively like or dislike it? [[User:Boddle|Boddle]] ([[User talk:Boddle|talk]]) 16:43, August 10, 2024 (EDT) | :I thought there was a consistent guideline for what constitutes an article? [[MarioWiki:Conjectural names]] states "if the subject is notable enough" and [[MarioWiki:Naming#Conjectural_names]] states "If the only available indication of a subject's name is a generic term or phrase rather than a clear name, then that description may be used", this page seemed to meet that standard. If it doesn't, figuring out why one article passes while another fails, seems relevant to finding clarity to what the policy guideline actually is. You even made the "green-hatted Goombas living in Rogueport" comparison which I actually found helpful in illustrating what the line is. Without a consistent policy guideline, wouldn't articles would be just determined on if users subjectively like or dislike it? [[User:Boddle|Boddle]] ([[User talk:Boddle|talk]]) 16:43, August 10, 2024 (EDT) | ||
: This subject just plain isn't notable enough. They're just there to provide gameplay tutorials and some yuks and the remake getting rid of their unique designs means even Nintendo doesn't think they're notable either. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:11, August 11, 2024 (EDT) | : This subject just plain isn't notable enough. They're just there to provide gameplay tutorials and some yuks and the remake getting rid of their unique designs means even Nintendo doesn't think they're notable either. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:11, August 11, 2024 (EDT) | ||
::Operating the Koopa Cruiser, transporting the Bros, taking photographs for passports, tutorial on how battle gameplay works, and repelling | ::Operating the Koopa Cruiser, transporting the Bros, taking photographs for passports, tutorial on how battle gameplay works, and repelling Shroon invaders, is more notable than a single purple Toad that gives hints. I don't know why we're still fixating on their designs when that's not the reason for the page and irrelevant to them being described as "crew" and "personnel" of the Cruiser in their games, we go off of [[canon|official depictions]] so the remake isn't the only representation, and even if designs were critical they still have them in Partners in Time. [[User:Boddle|Boddle]] ([[User talk:Boddle|talk]]) 13:42, August 11, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::Why does them being called "crew" or "personnel" make them distinct? They are indeed the crew/personnel of the ship, it's just a description of their role. And said role, as Doc said above, is just the normal Koopa Troopa role of being Bowser's minions. Does the fact that they are serving Bowser on a ship rather than elsewhere give them distinction? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 20:10, August 12, 2024 (EDT) | :::Why does them being called "crew" or "personnel" make them distinct? They are indeed the crew/personnel of the ship, it's just a description of their role. And said role, as Doc said above, is just the normal Koopa Troopa role of being Bowser's minions. Does the fact that they are serving Bowser on a ship rather than elsewhere give them distinction? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 20:10, August 12, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::: Yeah, that's the whole thing we're bringing up. They have literally nothing that makes them distinct from other Koopa Troopas and their only "name" is an incredibly generic title. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:52, August 13, 2024 (EDT) | :::: Yeah, that's the whole thing we're bringing up. They have literally nothing that makes them distinct from other Koopa Troopas and their only "name" is an incredibly generic title. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:52, August 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||