Editing Talk:Koopa Bros.

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== Picture ==
We need a picture from the manga-Pal101

Good luck finding one, its as obscure as can be. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

[http://ask-thecoolestofcool.tumblr.com/post/170988509306/after-that-previous-ask-i-thought-id-share Here] are scans from Super Mario-Kun Volume 1 featuring a group known as "Mutant Ninja Sentai Nokonoko (Koopa Troopa) Man," whom everyone is saying are the Koopa Bros., the former being a more obvious spoof of TMNT than the latter (the scans originally posted in a blog that 
I own myself). The members are known as "Red Noko," "Blue Noko," "Yellow Noko," and "Green Noko", the same four-colored Troopas shown in SMW. This begs the question as to whether this group would truly be considered the "Koopa Bros.?" The manga-ka probably just wanted to do a TMNT joke without realizing that Paper Mario would do the same thing years later. - [[User: EnnCarbohydrate|EnnCarbohydrate]] 18:40, 2 August 2018 (MST)
:Maybe we could still point out the striking resemblance in their article, just get rid of mention that it is them. Still, keep the description and images from the Super Mario-Kun that's actually them, and just move it further down the article past the release of that Paper Mario volume. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 21:46, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

::Changes have been made in the History section. I've also added the scan from the first volume for a show of comparison. - [[User: EnnCarbohydrate|EnnCarbohydrate]] 20:00, 2 August 2018 (MST)

== Merge ==

I think [[Red Ninjakoopa]], [[Black Ninjakoopa]], [[Yellow Ninjakoopa]] and [[Green Ninjakoopa]] should be merged here. The characters have, more or less, identical personalities and, aside from color and Red's position of leadership, no real differentiating attributes. Additionally, most information on the pages are almost the same, and I'm aware that Black, Green and Yellow appear alone briefly, but that doesn't really seem like enough. Vote on the poll, which will be open for at least a week, with three days added in case of a tie, to decide what to do. If the merge is successful, a "Members" section of the page could be made for each Koopa Bro., listing anything notable.

=== Merge ===
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=== Keep Separate ===
#{{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 19:33, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
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=== Comments ===

Well, Red deserves an article. The others can be merged.

So guys, whats your reason for wanting them to be kept seperate? -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

I personally think Red is the oly one who deserves an article, because he has a different personality then the other 3. {{User:Max2/sig}}

They are all named characters and thus should have their own article. Would you like to see [[Mario]] and [[Luigi]] be merged with [[Mario Bros.]]? {{User:Plumber/Pignature}}

Mario Bros. is a game, though. And they're both highly developed characters anyway, whereas the Koopa Bros. are exceptionally generic, having the same personalities and even their tattles are almost the same, with only minor differences; all four of their pages would pretty much have the same information as well. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

I thought it was agreed that every minor character (especially one named) have their own article. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 16:30, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

What about Super Paper Mario Minor NPCs? That article seemed like a good idea, considering virtually ''every'' NPC in that game had a name; and the bulk of them don't really do anything. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Well, most NPCs in the other Paper Mario Games did stuff. hey were almost always parts of troubles or the main plot. {{User:Max2/sig}}

Wow, I totally forgot about this; anyways, its been a week and the majority supports merge. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

I'm going to merge the articles tonight, as merge won six to four. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Plumber: Mario and Luigi each deserve their own page. The Ninjakoopas don't because they're such minor characters, and as such don't because all of their pages basically have the same info, each a small amount, and should all be in one existing article. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:15, 4 August 2007 (EDT)


What about the Axem Rangers?  They all have their own pages.  Why can't these too?  They're the same thing, but turtle-tastic. D: [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 19:26, 15 January 2008 (EST)
:Well, unlike the Koopa Bros., The individual Axem Rangers have different statistics (Defense, health, attack... ect) in Battle. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 19:34, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Dazuro: The poll was made months ago, and they're all merged {{User:Mr. Guy/sig}}

== What? ==

Um... where did the Koopa Bros. appear outside of this video-game? -[[User:Dodoman]]

Super Mario-kun. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]
:That is? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:14, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

Manga, Japan only. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Do you have any images? -[[User:Dodoman|Dodo]]

== Unnamed blue koopa? ==

In the Black Ninjakoopa section, it says he was absent in the original artwork and was replaced by an unnamed blue koopa. I think it would be more rational to say that he was simply miscolored blue in the artwork instead. What do you think? ~[[User:DarkZero|DarkZero]] [[Image:DarkZero Sig.gif]] 17:07, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

That is likely...[[User:Crystal lucario|Crystal lucario]] 17:39, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Trophy ==

I think I once saw a Koopa Bro as a Smash Bros Trophy. Has anyone seene it? If you did can you upload a picture of it and write it's description? [[User: Mecha-Boss Unit]]

== Yellow Ninjakoopa ==

How is he last in command? The green Ninjakoopa is the one at the bottom when the Ninjakoopas are stacked.  {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 21:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== shapeshifters ==

How are the Koopa Bros shapeshifters? {{User:Nicke8/sig}}

== Claim that Bob-ombs were replaced ==

Article states that the black bob-ombs fought in the Fortress were replacements supplied by Bowser; does it say this anywhere in game? {{unsigned|86.7.223.84}}

== First appearence ==

So the infobox says the first appearence is in the Super Mario Kun nine years before ''Paper Mario'', yet this article mainly covers their ''Paper Mario'' appearence. I feel like their first appearence in the infobox should be changed to ''Paper Mario'' for two reasons:

*Manga appearences normally aren't noted in infoboxes or appearence lists (besides in History)
*I seriously doubt the Koopa Bros. in ''Paper Mario'' are even the same set of characters as the ones in the Super Mario Kun, since like I said it was nine years before and the article is about their ''Paper Mario'' appearence.

What do you guys think? I'm going to bed now but will catch up on this in the morning. [[User:Mario Sakuraba|Mario Sakuraba]] ([[User talk:Mario Sakuraba|talk]]) 21:34, November 13, 2019 (EST)
:There was a discussion about this somewhere, I forget where, and it was determined that the SMK ones from before were an unrelated, more direct parody of the TMNT. I'm surprised that hasn't been changed back yet. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:38, November 13, 2019 (EST)
:To be clear, we do count other media neutrally (part of why the ''Mario'' series article was inclusively renamed to the ''Mario'' franchise), but unless there's an interview statement saying that the Koopa Bros. were taken from ''Super Mario Kun'', agreed with Doc. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:00, November 14, 2019 (EST)

== Nash T.? ==
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I remember playing the game several times and have never come across this. source? I've seen tattles for their Toad disguises, enemy tattles, and the bulletin board where Nash T. is mentioned. but no where do I remember Nash T. being said to be the Koopa Bros. not even in the letter they send to mario. now i'm not saying they're not, I'm just asking for a source, as that should probably be mentioned where it's stated in the article.[[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 03:10, July 11, 2020 (EDT)
:When Merlon approaches the disguised "Nash T."s, he strikes them with lightning, revealing their forms as the Koopa Bros. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 03:22, July 11, 2020 (EDT)
::That's not what he's asking? What he's saying is that this is claiming that "Nash T." is the name of the disguised one, when no actual link between that name and the Koopa Bros. seems to exist. This has bothered me too. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:39, July 11, 2020 (EDT)
:::If you speak to a nearby Toad right after Merlon exposes the Koopa Bros, he says the name "Nash T." when referring to them. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
::::I've never seen this in any of my many playthroughs of the game. Can I get a quote? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:57, September 15, 2020 (EDT)
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 == Nash T.? ==
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 I remember playing the game several times and have never come across this. source? I've seen tattles for their Toad disguises, enemy tattles, and the bulletin board where Nash T. is mentioned. but no where do I remember Nash T. being said to be the Koopa Bros. not even in the letter they send to mario. now i'm not saying they're not, I'm just asking for a source, as that should probably be mentioned where it's stated in the article.[[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 03:10, July 11, 2020 (EDT)
 :When Merlon approaches the disguised "Nash T."s, he strikes them with lightning, revealing their forms as the Koopa Bros. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 03:22, July 11, 2020 (EDT)
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 :::If you speak to a nearby Toad right after Merlon exposes the Koopa Bros, he says the name "Nash T." when referring to them. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
 ::::I've never seen this in any of my many playthroughs of the game. Can I get a quote? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:57, September 15, 2020 (EDT)
-:::::It goes something like this:
-{{quote|So those Toads were actually the Koopa Bros. "Nash T.", I should have known|Toad near the center of the area|before starting chapter 1}}{{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
-::::::Hm, strange. I always talk to everybody. I ''do'' kinda wonder what the deal with the sign is, then...maybe some clues in the JP script? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 05:06, September 15, 2020 (EDT)
-::::::I searched on this playthrough, and I couldn't find the line in-game, though I did see it in a text dump. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:56, October 6, 2021 (EDT)
-:::::::I definitely saw it myself in the game, it's only available for a very short timeframe though. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 21:07, October 6, 2021 (EDT)
-Later in the game while you're going through Flower Fields if you check the back of the sign in Toad Town it says "Mr. Nash T. and his gang rule the streets... Nobody is safe from us. NOBODY!!!!" [[User:I&#39;manumber1|I&#39;manumber1]] ([[User talk:I&#39;manumber1|talk]]) 22:35, February 17, 2022 (EST)
-:I'm aware of that, and it is the only time I've seen the name in-game myself, but literally nothing about that statement points to it being in reference to the Koopa Bros, which is why I was surprised the name redirected here rather than the implied character list. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:09, February 18, 2022 (EST)
-For future reference, [https://youtu.be/QZ5UiBRLiHw?t=1592 here] is footage of the line in-game. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:02, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
-== Unmerge ==
-Should I undo the merge? Because it looks like Sir Grodus wasn't supposed to merge them. [[User:I&#39;manumber1|I&#39;manumber1]] ([[User talk:I&#39;manumber1|talk]]) 18:33, October 6, 2021 (EDT)
-:If it's the individual members you're talking about, then I think these should stay merged since the articles would just be repetative. It looks like it was decided from a proposal, so another is required. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 21:19, October 6, 2021 (EDT)