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[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Koopas|I have drafted a demo of a slightly altered way this page could be displayed.]] Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is it better, is it worse, should I make further changes? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:13, September 9, 2024 (EDT) | [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Koopas|I have drafted a demo of a slightly altered way this page could be displayed.]] Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is it better, is it worse, should I make further changes? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:13, September 9, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:Sure, thoughts. The infobox images are a big improvement. Having the page be called "Koopa (species)" is confusing enough as it is, and having a singular Koopa Troopa as the infobox image is even worse. The infobox instead showing a variety of Koopas is a good change. I also like the galleries, even if they don't strike me as particularly necessary. The "debut" text on the galleries seems a bit excessive, though, and makes the page look unnecessarily busy. And for the main Koopa types, the debut info can easily be incorporated into the paragraph without needing to take up a whole line. Otherwise, looks fine to me. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 11:25, September 9, 2024 (EDT) | :Sure, thoughts. The infobox images are a big improvement. Having the page be called "Koopa (species)" is confusing enough as it is, and having a singular Koopa Troopa as the infobox image is even worse. The infobox instead showing a variety of Koopas is a good change. I also like the galleries, even if they don't strike me as particularly necessary. The "debut" text on the galleries seems a bit excessive, though, and makes the page look unnecessarily busy. And for the main Koopa types, the debut info can easily be incorporated into the paragraph without needing to take up a whole line. Otherwise, looks fine to me. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 11:25, September 9, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:Looks great to me as well! As for my criticisms, using Pom Pom as a representation for Boom Booms in the infobox collage could be misleading considering the images link to the species pages. I'd either use artwork of [[:File:SM3DL - Pom_Pom and Boom Boom Artwork.png|Boom Boom and Pom Pom together from ''Super Mario 3D Land'']], or just Boom Boom by himself. It's virtually impossible to not use a specific character for Bowser's species in the collage, but maybe [[:File:BowserMP8.png|Bowser's artwork from ''Mario Party 8'']] could work since it was also used for [[ | :Looks great to me as well! As for my criticisms, using Pom Pom as a representation for Boom Booms in the infobox collage could be misleading considering the images link to the species pages. I'd either use artwork of [[:File:SM3DL - Pom_Pom and Boom Boom Artwork.png|Boom Boom and Pom Pom together from ''Super Mario 3D Land'']], or just Boom Boom by himself. It's virtually impossible to not use a specific character for Bowser's species in the collage, but maybe [[:File:BowserMP8.png|Bowser's artwork from ''Mario Party 8'']] could work since it was also used for [[fake Bowser]]s in ''Super Mario Run''. Kamek is visually indistinguishable from standard Magikoopas, so he's fine as a representation of them. I get why you'd want to use distinctive individuals for diversity's sake, but the for the purposes of linking to the species pages, using more generic members would be less confusing. I'd also make the galleries collapsible, similar to some of the galleries on the [[Bowser's Minions]] page. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 12:22, September 9, 2024 (EDT) | ||
::The main idea I had with the infobox thing was how Wikipedia has collages for biological clade articles, and I was trying to have as little cases of reused artwork as possible (some of those others you brought up were used later on the page, for example). The "debut" text was primarily to keep them in "creation" order, so to speak, as I find it flows better from a design standpoint that way (and helps group similar ones together, wherein I usually list them by "encounter" order or internal listing order - such as the tattle log) than the alphabetical order. As for how that's formatted, I find it more convenient for it to be in its own section (due to being the basis for the order) rather than needing searched for in the prose. The gallery also helps better illustrate what is there and is much easier to update; when making that I found plenty that were outright not listed, plenty that were listed but have since been moved or merged elsewhere, etc, showing how little the "list" structure gets updated, which is especially problematic with those multi-column lists that have to be entirely reformatted every time something is added to keep them from becoming lopsided. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:40, September 9, 2024 (EDT) | ::The main idea I had with the infobox thing was how Wikipedia has collages for biological clade articles, and I was trying to have as little cases of reused artwork as possible (some of those others you brought up were used later on the page, for example). The "debut" text was primarily to keep them in "creation" order, so to speak, as I find it flows better from a design standpoint that way (and helps group similar ones together, wherein I usually list them by "encounter" order or internal listing order - such as the tattle log) than the alphabetical order. As for how that's formatted, I find it more convenient for it to be in its own section (due to being the basis for the order) rather than needing searched for in the prose. The gallery also helps better illustrate what is there and is much easier to update; when making that I found plenty that were outright not listed, plenty that were listed but have since been moved or merged elsewhere, etc, showing how little the "list" structure gets updated, which is especially problematic with those multi-column lists that have to be entirely reformatted every time something is added to keep them from becoming lopsided. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:40, September 9, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::I get that, but I would still prefer having infobox images that are both less potentially misleading to the exact subject being linked to and aren't reused elsewhere on the page. As an alternative for Boom Booms, I'd suggest the [[:File:SSBU_Boom_Boom_Spirit.png|render of Boom Boom in ''Super Mario 3D World'' used for ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 13:58, September 9, 2024 (EDT) | :::I get that, but I would still prefer having infobox images that are both less potentially misleading to the exact subject being linked to and aren't reused elsewhere on the page. As an alternative for Boom Booms, I'd suggest the [[:File:SSBU_Boom_Boom_Spirit.png|render of Boom Boom in ''Super Mario 3D World'' used for ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 13:58, September 9, 2024 (EDT) |