Editing Talk:Kong

Should [[Manky Kong]]s be counted as a sub-species of kongs? Also what about other simians such as Minkeys, Ninjapes and the unamed White Monkeys of ''[[Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat]]''? -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

I've decided to just stick the [[Manky Kong]]s in the species category unless someone wants to oppose this. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Well it depends if they have Kong in their name, then I consider them Kongs. Remember that not all monkeys/apes/orangutans are Kongs. (and personally I think Lanky Kong is a Kong)--[[User:Knife|Knife]] 23:53, 3 December 2006 (EST)

Still can't decide whether the Manky Kongs should be counted as a sub-species though. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

:I would consider Manky Kongs a sub-species. However, I would not consider any enemy without the "Kong" surname a sub-species. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
[[File:DKP Character Select E3 2001.png|thumb|right|Mystery Kong.]]
==New Kong==

I've recently discovered that in [[Diddy Kong Pilot]] a new Kong was going to appear. Virtually nothing is known about this guy, not even his name. Do you think he should be mentioned in the article? -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

:If the source is reliable then yes. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

I have this picture of him, one of the few Diddy Kong pilot pics. I could find. Hes between Cranky and Donkey.

Hmm... he looks like a hillbilly. Anyway, we should have a Beta Elements page just like on Mariowiki.--[[User:Knife|Knife, the guy who just asks questions, but does nothing on the wiki]] 23:22, 12 December 2006 (EST)

His name is Bumpkin kong from what I've heard and yes we should put him in the article.

Plus theres also that other Kong, the one with the hat seen on the [[Donkey Kong Beta Elements]] page. I though Bumpkin Kong was just a fan name like [[Glower]] or [[Flapper]]. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

How about H. Billy Kong?--{{User:Aipom/sig}}--

It doesn't matter what you name him because its going to the beta elements page. Just describe a hillbilly-lookin kong. {{User:Knife/sig1|Knife|spam here|Image:Fire_sheild.PNG|Red}}

:Wait a second... It doesn't seem like this character belongs in Beta Elements. He isn't exactly a Beta Element, just a character from a game that was never released. If Diddy Kong Pilot ''was'' released, I'll bet this guy would've still been in. --[[User:YellowYoshi398|YellowYoshi398]] 11:34, 3 February 2007 (EST)

It technically was released: [[Banjo-Pilot]]. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

:Oh, yeeeaaahh.... Sorry, I'm not that Donkey Kong adept. Anyway, based on what I've gathered, I did, however, make a Banjo-Pilot section for [[Donkey Kong Beta Elements]]. --[[User:YellowYoshi398|YellowYoshi398]] 22:26, 4 February 2007 (EST)

==Baby Kong==

Should we even have him on the list if there is no article on him? I mean, all the Kongs have links except for him, and he sort of sticks out. He shouldn't be on the Kong list that goes on the bottom of the article if he doesn't have a link, so should I just delete him? I don't even remember him from being in any games.

Frum [[User:Lanky kong |LANKY KONG!]]

He wasn't in any games, he was from the cartoon. Besides, removing a red link because its an eye sore is prohibited or something. Having it there will encourage ''someone'' to make an article one day. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

== species or family? ==

Is kong a species of ape in mushroom world, or is it just the name for Donkey Kong's family of apes? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
:Uh... Both? - {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}
 
Really? I'd find it a little weird if some family's last name was "human". {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 09:41, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Since all the simians are kongs (that I know of), it is a species.[[User:Zjschertz|Zjschertz]] 21:40, 4 May 2010 (EDT)

I think kongs are a species of simian that can have the traits of any known type. Also, [[Ukiki|Ukikis]] are simian, but they're not kongs [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] ([[User talk:MarioLover54|talk]]) 13:51, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

== [[Mini Donkey Kong]] ==
Should this character be added? He isn't really a monkey, but he is based off of Donkey Kong. [[User:A Link to the Present|A Link to the Present]] 15:51, 7 February 2011 (EST)
:This article lists the members of the Kong species. Mini Donkey Kong is a toy, AKA not part of it, thus he doesn't belong here. --[[User:Reversinator|Reversinator]] 17:41, 12 February 2011 (EST)

== Family Relationships ==

So a good chunk of the Kongs have been confirmed as family (i.e. DK and Funky are brothers, Diddy is DK's nephew and Funky's son, Kiddy and Chunky are brothers and Dixie's cousin, etc.) So should we add a Kong Family Tree of sorts? {{Unsigned|173.80.148.140}}
:Where is it confirmed that Donkey Kong is related to Funky? i'm pretty sure they have been confirmed as just being friends. {{User|Marshal Dan Troop}}
::I dunno, I heard it somewhere. If it's not confirmed then just don't add it- but it is definitely confirmed that Cranky and Wrinkly are married, DK is their son/grandson, Diddy is DK's nephew, Dixie and Tiny are sisters, Kiddy and Chunky are Dixie and Tiny's cousins, etc. So... {{Unsigned|173.80.148.140}}
:Nvm, the [[Kong Family]] covers that :) {{unsigned|173.80.148.140}}

== Related species ==
Okay, who removed the grunt and the ukiki from related species? Those belong there, they're primates! [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]]
:Both being primates does not a relation make. If that was true, we'd be listing every single human character in the whole Mario series as related. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 07:55, August 1, 2019 (EDT)
:Not characters, just the species!  Also, it scientifically does. [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]]

I meant simians! [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] ([[User talk:MarioLover54|talk]]) 13:49, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

They're both simians, is that better? [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] ([[User talk:MarioLover54|talk]]) 13:50, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

Hello? [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] ([[User talk:MarioLover54|talk]]) 14:55, August 2, 2019 (EDT)
:>_> >_> >_> The "related species" parameter is for species who were created ''specifically'' to be related, not ones who ''happen'' to be of a similar real-life species. Stop being so impatient. Ukiki is borderline due to an unused boss from SMW2, but Grunt has nothing to do with this. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:57, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

:Even then, a single enemy wouldn't be sufficient for a connection in my honest opinion. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 09:48, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

Alright, but I at least think the grunts from one of the Wario games deserve a mention, those do happen to be gorillas! [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] ([[User talk:MarioLover54|talk]]) 09:55, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

:That's literally the same logic wearing a different hat. "They're gorillas" alone is not enough. Period. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 09:56, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

== Television Show and other spin-off media ==

I think the various Kongs from the TV show (as well as comics or novels) should be put in their own separate category on the page instead of treated interchangeably with the ones who appear in-game. They're from a totally separate continuity that has no bearing on the (admittedly tenuous) DK game lore. As unlikely as it is that Nintendo or one of their partner studios includes Lanky Kong or Swanky Kong in a new Donkey Kong game, it's still infinitely more likely than the absolute 0% chance of anything from the tv show ever being referenced in any game. The Super Mario Bros. Super Show versions of characters are usually clearly separated from the game ones on Mario series articles, the same should be done on Donkey Kong articles. -- [[User:Lurdiak|Lurdiak]] 13:18, July 11, 2022 (EST)
:Per [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]], all licensed media is treated as being on equal footing since Nintendo has never really cared to establish a consistent canon, so we wouldn't separate certain media. I'm not aware of this being done with the Super Show, can you point to some examples? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:25, July 13, 2022 (EDT)

== Latest appearance ==

Discuss by preventing edit war. Only Donkey and Diddy have usually been used in "Mario" games. Also Dixie, Cranky and Funky have appeared in Tropical Freeze. On the other hand, any other Kongs haven't had ''any'' physical appearance in the last decade. The duration of disappearance is longer than the duration of existence. Chunky Kong has not been used in Paon era and Mario games at all. [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]]) 12:57, July 18, 2022 (EDT)
:We don't really go out of our way to note characters currently being absent for stretches of time, so I don't see a reason for it to be done here (especially on the Kong group article rather than individual character articles). --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:19, July 18, 2022 (EDT)
It is true that they have not been in a game in 15 years. To says simply, they haven't been in a game since the early days of the [[Wii]], earlier than [[Super Mario Galaxy]]. In other words, no physical appearance in 3DS or Wii U platforms at all. Also [[Lanky Kong]]'s voice actor (Kentaro Tone; May 29, 1982) was 25 years old at the time, but is 40 at now. [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]]) 16:58, July 18, 2022 (EDT)

== SPLIT IT ==

I think that the Kong family should get their own separate article. It should say how Diddy is DK's son in some ocasions and how they are also cousins and uncle and nephew. It should also have Candy Kong, just cuz once she was referred to as DK's kissing cousin. It should also have Grandpa Kong... just cuz it should. It should have DK Jr. as DK and Cranky's son at the same time cuz it is unknown who the original Donkey Kong is. (Getting off-subject now) And Crazy Kong is probably a different character than Cranky. (Getting "on-subject" now) So what do you think? I think it should be split. {{User|Weegie baby}} 09:35, October 15, 2024
:Could've sworn there was a proposal about it, but it seems it was merged over a [[Talk:Kong Family#Merge maybe?|discussion]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:12, October 15, 2024 (EDT)
:In the early Rare games, "Kong" was essentially interchangeable with "member of the Kong family" rather than being treated as a "species," though that seems to have since become a bit inconsistent. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:24, October 15, 2024 (EDT)
::Well since it won't be split, the Kong family section should at least have a structure similar to [[Mario and Luigi's family|Mario and Luigi's]]. And shouldn't there be a template for the Kong family? And for Peach and Daisy's, and Bowser and Bowser Jr.'s? {{User|Weegie baby}} 10:27, October 16, 2024