Editing Talk:Kingfin

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I have the game,and I toss a shell at Kingfin's  body,tail,and fins and it did damage so the "x"s on him are just for making him look better. [[User:Luigi-Tron 3000]]
::Well, I think you can only damage his head. {{User:Goomb-omb/sig}}

Every single part of kingfin`s body is vulnerable to damage, but i haven`t heard of any special weak points. [[User:MarioMaster720]] 27.11.2009

==Bonefin?==
The prima official game guide calls him Bonefin. {{User:GalacticPetey/sig}}
:: I always believed that Kingfin's minions were called Bonefins, as if you look, they have a skeletal spine connecting the head and propeller, and Kingfin was simply a 'King Bonefin'. [[User:Invisibool]]

==Glowing Eyes==
I've played this level multiple times as Mario, and seen screenshots, and knew Kingfin had the 'Flashlight Beam Eyes' effect. However, when I played as Luigi, not once did Kingfin's eyes light up. Does anyone else notice this? [[User:Invisibool]] 

When you play as Luigi, the eyes do not shine their lights. However, once a glitch occured when I played as ''Mario'' and the lights did not shine. Anyone know about this? Probably irrelevant, but I ''was'' messing with Luigi on the Observatory by jumping on him and shooting him before going to Bonefin Galalxy. :D EDIT: Luigi actually ''does'' have something to do with it. I messed w/ him again and the glitch worked. I left the level and reentered without bothering Luigi, and Kingfin's eyes shined their lights. Messed around again and glitch worked. But after that, no matter how many Star Bits or homing ground-pounds I did to Luigi, it didn't work. Can anyone investigate further? If there is a 100% chance of it working, we should add it to the Super Mario Galaxy/Glitches page. If it is a glitch, I suggest the title, "Kingfin's Broken Eyes".[[User:8BrickMario]]

:I have the game, I'll investigate.[[File:YoshiMP8art.png|30px]] [[User:YoshiPickle|Yoshi]] [[User talk:YoshiPickle|Pickle]] [[File:MP8 Yoshi Icon.png|40px]] 12:52, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

Thanks!!!! {{User:8BrickMario}}

Also, does anyone think it should be added when the beat in the boss music for this guy and Bouldergeist is added? (I.e, when near Kingfin, and when Bouldergeist's rock armor ha been knocked off?) Maybe it should also be noted that the Fishbone torpedoes in this game have a similar explosion animation the Kingfin when destroyed. {{User:8BrickMario}}

:Sure. All info can be added. The more the better! By the way, if you jump on Luigi and fight Kingfin, the beams aren't there, but if you fight him without bugging Luigi, the beams will be there and bugging Luigi won't make them disappear until you quit the file and start it again.[[File:YoshiMP8art.png|30px]] [[User:YoshiPickle|Yoshi]] [[User talk:YoshiPickle|Pickle]] [[File:MP8 Yoshi Icon.png|40px]] 17:55, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

Great! It'll be added to the glitches page. 

Just to clarify, how many times does the glitch work before having to restart? Thanks for all of your help in investigating the glitch!{{User:8BrickMario}}

== Question ==

Is Kingfin robotic?  One of my friends thinks it's robotic and another thinks it's not.  Is there an answer or is this fact unknown?

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:He's likely not a robot, considering he's just a large skeleton. His eyes light up like lights, but then again, so do regular Fishbones'. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 22:07, 12 March 2014 (EDT)

== Cartilage vs. Bones ==

The statement: "a colossal skeletal shark, although in actuality, sharks are cartilaginous and do not have bones."
The significance: Real-life sharks do not have bones, yet Kingfin purportedly has bones. (In support: Japanese name of "King Bone".)
My point: Real-life sharks still have a cartilaginous skeleton, so a shark can still be skeletal without the need for bones. Therefore, pointing this out is insignificant because whether Kingfin is made from bone or cartilage, it's still a skeletal shark.

If one must adamantly stick to including extra information, I think a better phrasing would be: "a colossal skeletal shark, although he appears to consist of bone rather than cartilage like real sharks." This is because the above statement implies that a cartilaginous shark would not have bones and therefore cannot be skeletal, even though they can. Again, I think it is unnecessary information since, for example, we don't mention every anatomical inaccuracy in the series, like [[Mushroom]]s lacking {{wp|Lamella (mycology)|gills/lamellae}}, because after all it is a fictional character so there is room for creative liberty. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 01:55, January 17, 2021 (EST)
:I think it veers on speculation territory to discussion the composition of this character because in the Mario series, what looks like sharks may as well have bones. It's the same series where plants have bones after all, and Mario's skeleton in some games can depict his nose as skeletal too (like Smash Bros.). {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 01:57, January 17, 2021 (EST)
:I do agree that the wording of the phrase was a bit off and that your rewording suggestion is better. However, I completely disagree that the information is irrelevant to the point that it warrants deletion. Just because we don't compare and contrast ''everything'' with their real life counterparts doesn't mean we ''never'' should. Many things in the ''Mario'' universe clearly aren't meant to resemble real life (real life mushrooms and flowers don't have eyes, obviously), but I don't see a problem with mentioning, for instance, that real life dolphins do not [[Stuffy the 64th|breathe underwater and gasp like a fish outside of it]]. There's nothing inherently wrong with bringing this stuff up; it's not like were implying that the game developers are uneducated peasants who know nothing about biology. We all know it's artistic license. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 02:32, January 17, 2021 (EST)
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 I have the game,and I toss a shell at Kingfin's  body,tail,and fins and it did damage so the "x"s on him are just for making him look better. [[User:Luigi-Tron 3000]]
 ::Well, I think you can only damage his head. {{User:Goomb-omb/sig}}
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 If one must adamantly stick to including extra information, I think a better phrasing would be: "a colossal skeletal shark, although he appears to consist of bone rather than cartilage like real sharks." This is because the above statement implies that a cartilaginous shark would not have bones and therefore cannot be skeletal, even though they can. Again, I think it is unnecessary information since, for example, we don't mention every anatomical inaccuracy in the series, like [[Mushroom]]s lacking {{wp|Lamella (mycology)|gills/lamellae}}, because after all it is a fictional character so there is room for creative liberty. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 01:55, January 17, 2021 (EST)
 :I think it veers on speculation territory to discussion the composition of this character because in the Mario series, what looks like sharks may as well have bones. It's the same series where plants have bones after all, and Mario's skeleton in some games can depict his nose as skeletal too (like Smash Bros.). {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 01:57, January 17, 2021 (EST)
-:I do agree that the wording of the phrase was a bit off and that your rewording suggestion is better. However, I completely disagree that the information is irrelevant to the point that it warrants deletion. Just because we don't compare and contrast ''everything'' with their real life counterparts doesn't mean we ''never'' should. Many things in the ''Mario'' universe clearly aren't meant to resemble real life (real life mushrooms and flowers obviously don't have eyes, and Bone Piranha Plants are an anatomical anomaly even from an in-universe standpoint), but I don't see a problem with mentioning, for instance, that real life dolphins do not [[Stuffy the 64th|breathe underwater and gasp like a fish outside of it]]. There's nothing inherently wrong with bringing this stuff up; it's not like were implying that the game developers are uneducated peasants who know nothing about biology. We all know it's artistic license. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 02:32, January 17, 2021 (EST)
+:I do agree that the wording of the phrase was a bit off and that your rewording suggestion is better. However, I completely disagree that the information is irrelevant to the point that it warrants deletion. Just because we don't compare and contrast ''everything'' with their real life counterparts doesn't mean we ''never'' should. Many things in the ''Mario'' universe clearly aren't meant to resemble real life (real life mushrooms and flowers don't have eyes, obviously), but I don't see a problem with mentioning, for instance, that real life dolphins do not [[Stuffy the 64th|breathe underwater and gasp like a fish outside of it]]. There's nothing inherently wrong with bringing this stuff up; it's not like were implying that the game developers are uneducated peasants who know nothing about biology. We all know it's artistic license. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 02:32, January 17, 2021 (EST)
-::This stems, I think, from my original revision. My grievance with the original note was that the sentence (to me at least) implied that: (1) bone and skeleton are synonymous or are at least reflective of the same thing and (2) Kingfin's design is inaccurate because sharks lack bones, and therefore lack skeletons. This bothered me because there is already a cultural conflation between skeleton and bone, and it is a misrepresentation of shark anatomy to imply that they lack skeletons. Simply rephrasing the note or moving it to trivia to make it more clear that that "Kingfin seems to have a bony skeleton when real sharks have cartilaginous ones" would be fine. This does not necessarily make my opinion on the subject more important than other users, but my college degree is in zoologic studies. Its not really superfluous to me - it feels important for people to understand that sharks have skeletons. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 12:04, January 17, 2021 (EST)
-:::I agree with Nintendo101 here. Though it's also true that it's very blurry territory overall, deciding which physiological traits should be contrasted with the real-life counterparts because, let's face it, nothing we cover here in the ''Mario'' series is exactly equivalent with the real world...because we deleted those kinds of articles long ago lol. Or else we'd be delving into territory like "Stuffy the 64th isn't a dolphin unless explicitly stated to be one" and that's just too nitpicky to be useful at that point. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 19:15, January 17, 2021 (EST)
-==Cheep Cheep?==
-How are they a Cheep Cheep? They're a shark, for one, no name in any language suggests a connection to cheep/puku/pao/plip/whatever, and their closest connection is that they're a notable member of <tt>SkeletalFishGuard</tt> which is ''comparable'' to fish bones which are undead cheep cheeps. I don't really see a strong connection here. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 19:39, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
-:Where exactly is that stated? {{User:Swallow/sig}} 19:47, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
-::The page has the Cheep Cheep category on it. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 20:00, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
-:::That must be a remnant before Skeletal Fish Guard was split from Fish Bone. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:26, April 16, 2022 (EDT)