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| Why isn't King Kaliente considered a Goomba if he's an Octogoomba? - [[User:Billtn|Bill-tendo]] 23:48, 13 March 2012 (EDT) | | Why isn't King Kaliente considered a Goomba if he's an Octogoomba? - [[User:Billtn|Bill-tendo]] 23:48, 13 March 2012 (EDT) |
| :Where are they called Octogoomba's {{User|Raven Effect}}
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| ::Octo-''goomba'', I guess? Or was it Oct''oombas''? {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 23:53, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
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| :::I think it's Octoombas but I was asking whats the source that calls them Octoombas cause if they are octoombas than yes they should be put in the Goomba category as well {{User|Raven Effect}}
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| Kaliente's head resembles an Octoomba, but I don't know if that's enough to merit him as an Octoomba. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:02, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
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| :If it than he's one weird space Goomba...perhaps we should ask someone with the Prima guide {{User|Raven Effect}}
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| ::The Prima guide isn't exactly a reliable source. :P {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:18, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
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| :::I understand that but it's kind of the only official source unless there's a trading card for this guy...also you can't get it wrong when all the info is new {{User|Raven Effect}}
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| ::::It's likely that he has a trading card, since he's one of the important bosses. Also, the category of Super Mario Galaxy trading cards includes him for some reason. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:25, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
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| ::::::Well than we should ask someone with the trading cards if he's an octoomba (also fun fact the trading cards are what confirmed octoombas as goombas) {{User|Raven Effect}}
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| Just to confirm he has a trading card, here's the [http://www.mariowiki.com/images/4/4e/KalienteTradingCard.PNG link] to the picture. It's just a picture, though. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:28, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
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| :So we need to either get his trading card or the Prima guide {{User|Raven Effect}}
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| :Okay, then. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:30, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
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| ::prima calls it an octopus --ptr
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| :Technically, Octoomba and Octogoomba are the same thing, and mostly, I call them Octogoombas. - [[User:Billtn|Bill-tendo]] 20:37, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
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| == Splitting the Kalientes? ==
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| I'm not quite sure what the point is. They're both named the same character, and it's heavily suggested that they are the same character just making a return. The black version doesn't exhibit any particularly new strategies or abilities in the boss fight. And, if this were to pass, what of other recurring boss characters, like [[Knot-Wing the Koopa]] and the other ''Woolly World'' bosses, or even mid-bosses like [[Jr. Troopa]] and all? [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 22:24, March 21, 2019 (EDT)
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| :Look [[Mariowiki:Proposals|here]] for the arguments regarding it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:29, March 21, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::I think another proposal should be made. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:36, April 7, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::And i supported the split. (And i agree that it made an inconsistency, now that it failed to get split). --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:35, May 10, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::I asked to Toadette the Achiever what to do with it now that the inconsistency has been caused, but did not get a response yet. I'm patient though. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:31, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::Personally, I do not support the split. [[User:Obsessive Mario Fan|Obsessive Mario Fan]] ([[User talk:Obsessive Mario Fan|talk]]) 11:45, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::::They're the exact same character, so no. Just because they appear again with a different tactic doesn't mean they get split. Otherwise, we'd have two [[Petey Piranha]] articles. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:49, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::::Also, out of curiosity, do they, and Gobblegut have separate models? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:31, June 13, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::::::Almost positive it's the same model with different textures. Granted, the Piranhas ''might'' do the same thing, as the petals are potentially just a texture themselves. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:39, June 13, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::::::I don't know about the game, but I looked on the noclip website and the King Kalientes are the same model (with same color) and the Dino Piranhas are the same thing in both games. However, this is not true for the two Gobbleguts. I use noclip since I am not the actual games since, even though I have them, I know nothing about looking into them. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 21:00, June 13, 2019 (EDT)
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| Well since the second time is titled "King Kaliente's Spicy RETURN", it seems very likely that it is the same character [[User:Mario Sakuraba|Mario Sakuraba]] ([[User talk:Mario Sakuraba|talk]]) 20:08, June 13, 2019 (EDT)
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| :Exactly. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 20:36, June 13, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::What are the name of the models? Also, the scorched one has a separate entry in the encyclopedia. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:33, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::In Hisstocrat Returns, there is a different Hisstocrat. Despite the name, it is a separate entity, and it is confirmed on [[Boss Blitz]] that Hisstocrat and the queen Hisstocrat are different. What about Shadow Mario being split from Bowser Jr.? Same scenario, no? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 06:42, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::I'd ask to LinkTheLefty later about the internal filename. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:51, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
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| All right, I think I finally know enough to weigh in on this discussion: I'd say both Kalientes are one and the same. The color differences appear to be aesthetic, and it's really the '''battlefield''' that changes. On the other hand, since the Gobbleguts have slightly differing attack patterns and have a nearly identical battlefield, it's hard to say whether they should be separate or not. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 15:21, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
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| :There's also the matter of the mission name referring to King Kaliente making a 2nd appearance. In response to the "Hisstocrat Returns" situation, well, the Japanese naming makes a distinction (Hisstocrat vs. Hisstocrat (pink)) whereas the Japanese mission names use "Otaking" regardless. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 16:04, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
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