Editing Talk:King K. Rool

{{FATALK}}

BUBBLES? From M&LSSS? Playable in King of Swing? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

:Actually, no... They're talking about Bubbles, the star of the [[NES]] game [[Wikipedia:Clu Clu Land|''Clu Clu Land'']]. I can see how that could be confusing... Maybe something should be done about it. --[[User:YellowYoshi398|YellowYoshi398]] 09:44, 27 January 2007 (EST)

oh... I clicked on the link and... wait a minute, Clu Clu Land? Thats just as weird! She's Playable? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

Yeah, DK: King of Swing's gameplay was based off Clu Clu Land's, so its only fitting Bubbles be in I guess. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Trivia = Interesting.  Seeing Bowser as King K. Rool is interesting. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:When K. Rool didn't even exist at that time, and Bowser even looked less like K. Rool in the second one? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:49, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
::It's interesting cause it may be possible inspiration for the K. Rool design. I say keep it. Making connections like that is what Trivia is all about. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

== Long-Lost Brother ==

Well, according to the trophy of King K. Rool in Brawl, Kaptain K. Rool and King K. Rool are two seperate characters-Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother. Should we create a seperate page for Kaptain K. Rool? <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small> 
:within the article it says that its only in the japanese version that they aren't the same person so don't think we need to change anything - [[User:Kamicciolo|Kamicciolo]]

::But is the trophy information of K. Rool changed in the American version of the game? Hmm...I don't think that's something any of us knows... <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
:::Just have to wait and see - [[User:Kamicciolo|Kamicciolo]]
::::I'm assuming this is a mistake, like how Cranky's trophy says his first playable appearance is Barrel Blast. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 19:36, 16 February 2008 (EST)
:::::Sir Grodus: Nintendo, who made Brawl, often chooses to say that it always has been the current [[Donkey Kong}} who has always been Donkey Kong, and he hasn't had ANY playable apperances except in [[Donkey Kong (video game)|Donkey Kong]] (with Nintendo DON'T support) and [[Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast]]. {{unsigned|KingMario}} 1st March, 2008 09:26 (GMT +01)
::::::[[Princess Daisy|Daisy's]] trophy information in SSBM said she appeared in Mario Golf (A game she didn't actually appear in) instead ofMario Tennis. The trophy info were full of false info, and I don't see why it wouldn't be the case with Brawl. I think a trivia note about the Brawl trophy is good enough. {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}
:::::::I don't know about you, but my SSBM lists Daisy's first appearance as Super Mario Land. Maybe they fixed it in the European version though. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 06:51, 1 March 2008 (EST)
::::::::D'oh, I checked the Daisy article and uh, it say something completly different about her trophy in SSBM, I corrected my above post to reflect it. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 07:08, 1 March 2008 (EST)
:::::::::KingMario: Cranky Kong is playable in the GBA version of Donkey Kong Country 3 and is also playable in [[Donkey Konga 3]]; both these games were released years before Barrel Blast. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 21:18, 1 March 2008 (EST)
:Nintendo makes all kinds of mistakes, this is probably just one of them. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 18:02, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

It's really annoying that Nintendo keeps on throwing these huge continunuity loops at us... However, the Smash Bros. games, being crossovers, could easily be said to be un-canonical. I like our theory better.

On the OTHER hand, we have absolutely no evidence for ours the Kaptain/King/Baron=same person thing, do we? - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

:I'm pretty sure the manual of DKC2 stated "He's Back" when talking about Kaptain K. Rool. Now, since this would be his first appearance in the series if he was a brother, I'm pretty sure Rare was showing that it was the same person. This trophy error may come from the fact that, in Japan, they were stated to be brothers, while here they were stated to be the same person. {{User:Lanky kong/sig}}

Nintendo already confirmed that they are one in the same. - [[User:Korporal K. Reep|Korporal K. Reep]]

==K. Lumsy==

I heard that K. Lumsy was K. Rool's brother. {{User: Master Lucario/sig}}

I think that's just a rumor stemming from they're similar names - the only place I've heard them referred to as brothers was on that Mario Series Characters Guide website. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 16:43, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
:Then doesn't that make it official? Also, ''SSBB'' says that Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 17:57, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
::Uh, the Mario series Character guide is completely unofficial. About the Kaptain K. Rool thing, there's a discussion about it just above. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 17:59, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

== Tail... ==

*I know for a fact K. Rool had a tail in DKC and DK64, but in SSBB, his trophy has no tail at all...

Ever since PAON took over the DK series, K. Rool has been without a tail. So, yeah, King of Swing I'm pretty sure was the first time he appeared without a tail. {{User:Lanky kong/sig}}
:I can't even find pictures of K. Rool ''with'' a tail, and the DKC cartoon had him without a tail. Since I can't ever remember seeing his tail, I've often been under the assumption he just never had one. The gallery is also lacking pictures of him being depicted with a tail.--[[Special:Contributions/68.6.234.179|68.6.234.179]] 01:01, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
::He has a very minor tail in the old DKC artworks and sprites, but they were mostly hidden behind his cape. DK64 had a very noticeable tail though. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:34, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

== Main image ==

-The main image is from Jungle Climber, but in Jungle Climber and Mario Super Sluggers his skin was a bit yellower, so wouldn't that mean the current picture is out of date? [[User:Kount K. Rool|Kount K. Rool]] 15:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
:Unless there's a newer official artwork, No, it's not outdated. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 15:48, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
-I actually believe this is an outdated image. There is an image of King K. Rool in his egyptian outfit, which is from the last game he was an actual character in.--[[Kaptain Kremling]]
::1. Why are you responding to an 8-year old comment. 2. the current image is the most representative of King K. Rool that's why we use it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:48, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

== Pharaoh K.Rool ==

He´s now egyptian, that means that kritters should call him "pharaoh" (calling king an egyptian king is actually (or more like "was") an offense for him...

[[User:Drmgin|Drmgin]] 16:27, 9 January 2009 (EST)

I don't have MSS but I strongly doubt it's directly stated that he's egyptian just 'cause he wears clothes like an egyptian. But even if he is, we '''should not under any circumstances''' change the article's name to "Pharoh K. Rool". {{User|Lemmy Koopa Fan}}

== On looking like Bowser==

I don't think this is important enough to go into the article, but in case it comes up, someone asked the Scribes if K. Rool was based on Bowser, and the answer gives was "Probably not, as one overweight lizard tends to look like another," observes DKC's designer. He has a point." ([http://www.rareware.com/extras/scribes/20dec07/index.html Scribes page for December 20th 2007]).

:I think it's interesting enough for Trivia. =) [[User:Culex|Culex]] 15:06, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

::Well I guess I'll expand on the trivia bullet that already talks about this then. --[[User:Turkishcoffee|Turkishcoffee]] 15:09, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

== Split Kaptain K. Rool ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|red|no split 0-13}}
Just recently, I was playing Super Smash Bros. Brawl and began to read the trophy descriptions. When I read King K. Rool's description, I noticed that it said, ''"'''His brother, Kaptain K. Rool''', made an appearance in the game Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest."'' Since Kaptain K. Rool is actually his brother, I propose we split them because they are two different characters with completely different roles. 

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Fawfulfury65}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' November 22, 2010 23:59 GMT

===Split===

===Keep Merged===
#{{User|Its-a-me Yoshi!}}-  It is never mentioned outside of brawl and Diddys Kong quest says its an alter ego.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Not necessary by any means, considering that Kaptain K. Rool is just King K. Rool's alter-ego.  This also applies to Baron K. Roolenstein.  Though it is pretty strange that Dr. Mario has a separate article.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - The ''Brawl'' trophy has been accepted as a mistake for years (see this page's top section, from 2008). So, until we're given a more substantial reason to split the characters, we should continue to trust that the ''DKC2'' manual at least knew what it was talking about (Kaptain K. Rool's complete description reads "The leader of the pack is back, and this time he's packing a blunderbuss! Ouch!"). Plus, splitting them will confuse tonnes of fans who just thought it was a costume change (like Baron K. Roolenstein); at least Dr. Mario has his own series and acts different from the plumber...
#{{User|Grandy02}} The Kaptain is only portrayed as separate character in Japan. I'd support if the DKC games were developed in Japan, but they were created by British developer Rare, who portrayed Kaptain and Baron as alter-egos. The trophy information was simply translated from Japanese without paying attention to the English DKC materials. If Kaptain or Baron should ever appear together with King K. Rool as his relatives, they would be worth their own articles, of course, but not just because of the trophy description.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Per all, this is an alter-ego that only appeared in one game and there isn't enough different stuff to talk about on it.
#{{User|Edofenrir}} - Per Grandy02.
#{{User|Mario304}} - Keep merged because King K. Rool and Kaptain K Rool are the same character in U.S. and Europe, but they are separate in Japan. Also, Per all.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per all.
#{{User|Mechayoshi}} Just asking for stub articles. per all.
#{{User|MarioManiac}} Per all.
#{{User|Garlic Stapler}} No difference, just an alias.
#{{User|JF}} They're the same person.
#{{User|Mpeng}} We would just get another stub.

===Comments===
That would just make a stub with little info to put in it.....{{User:Mechayoshi/sig}}

@Its-a-me Yoshi!: Yes, but Brawl came after DKC2, so it is the most recent source. An official Nintendo game can't lie. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:The trophy descriptions can have mistakes at times, though. Baby Mario's trophy description is an example. And that's not the only one. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
::The question is whether this would be considered a joke or not. {{User|Marioguy1}}
:::What would be considered a joke? This proposal? I don't see why it would be: it's a valid question - one that's been asked many times before on this matter. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 04:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I guess I didn't notice the sections above :p. You can't really prove that it could have been a mistake, and Brawl is an official source. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:While Brawl is indeed an official source, I personally think that when deciding how a character not from the ''Smash Bros.'' series should be dealt with, information stemming directly from that character's series should take a higher priority than ''Smash Bros.'' trophy information if they contradict each other. Just my view on this, though.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 15:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

@MrConcreteDonkey: No, there's actually a lot to talk about if he's a whole different character. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:Rare didn't portray him as a different character, though, the Japanese localisation team did. --{{User|Grandy02}}

While Nintendo game are an official source the writing of King K. Rool's brother appearing as a boss in that Donkey Kong game is a mistake it seems as you fight King K. Rool in all three Diddy Kong games. it's just another of those little minor things the editors forgot to edit from the game. {{User|Garlic Stapler}}
:@Walkazo: I forgot I put that here >_> Anyways, what I meant was do we consider the brawl description a mistake or not? I don't think ~any proposals are joke proposals. {{User|Marioguy1}}

If we keep them merged, should we merge ALL the transformations of Mario and Wario to their respective users? Fire Mario IS in fact Mario, and Bouncy Wario IS in fact Wario, right? {{User|Arend}}

The Smash Bros. universe is not only non-canon to the Mario series, but there is no other known source (Japanese or otherwise) which states they are separate characters. Until we get another source on the matter, this should strictly be treated as the typical Trophy mistake. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 14:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I would support this proposal. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}

== Unfeature Template. ==

<s>The unfeature template isn't a joke, I really did nominate it to be unfeatured. Go to the comments section to get the link to the new proposal. Help, how can I get it to go to the new nomination page? {{User|Koopa K}}</s>

Never mind, It has the correct link now. {{User|Koopa K}}

== K ==

the K in king K rool, what does it means? {{unsigned|82.168.159.4}}
:I don't think it means anything other than it adds a silly pun to King K. Rool's name.
:{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:36, 9 May 2013 (EDT)
:the K probaly stands for kritter--[[User:Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock|Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock]] ([[User talk:Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock|talk]]) 21:20, 2 September 2013 (EDT)
hey it might mean king kremling rool a theory so do not go that is stupid remember it is just a theory a game theory sorry watched  a little to much game theory-[[rickmaster]]

The man who created him said that the K means nothing K rool uses it to make him seem important_ [[Korporal K. Reep]]

== should i ==
in the mario super sluggers section it says he is the strongest right handed batter he is also the strongest unlockable batter. should i put that down?--[[User:Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock|Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock]] ([[User talk:Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock|talk]]) 21:20, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

== Game name error ==

While looking at List of appearances by date section, it showed "Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest" where it should be Diddy's Kong Quest. Could someone change this please? 
I would change it but i am afraid of messing up the link area. [[Special:Contributions/173.187.35.18|173.187.35.18]] 08:13, 14 November 2017 (EST)
:I corrected it. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 08:15, 14 November 2017 (EST)
==Past==
K. Rool initially was pirate before being king. Everything is evidenced.

{{quote|K. Rool proves he's pirate and not a sailor with yet another wrecked ship.|''Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest'' Player's Guide, page 20}}

<gallery>
DKC2DQ Gangplank Galleon Render.png
Kremkoin DKC2.png
K. Rool's Log Book.png
Gloomy Galleon ship ruins.png
K. Rool's bed.png
K. Rool's carpet.png
K. Rool (crystal caves).png
</gallery>
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 15:38, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

:As I mentioned in my edit summary, all of this evidence references K. Rool being a pirate captain (which we already know, thanks to his Kaptain persona in ''Diddy's Kong Quest''), but nothing explicitly confirms that he was a pirate before becoming king. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 19:14, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

== King Krusha K. Rool battle? ==
Ok so as we know, the oldest unimplemented proposal on the wiki is creating boss level articles on DK bosses. One that I havent seen an article for is the battle against K. Rool in the boxing match ring. There's no specific name for the area in the game, so i guess that is why it's not been split yet. There is an [http://www.dkwiki.com/King_Krusha_K._Rool associated article] on DK Wiki that has more info than what mario wiki has. this is why i ask how we should go about splitting k rool's page. King Krusha K. Rool is the name of his boxing alias, but as we know, we should keep the aliases integrated with K. Rool's main page. If all else fails, should we conjecturally name the article "Boxing Ring (Donkey Kong 64)"? I have the dk64 guide so i'll try and see what names it gives in the guide... [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 12:42, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
:I mean... we kinda have an article on the place where you fight K. Rool [[King Kruiser II|here]]... Maybe this could be the place where we talk in details about the fight against him? --[[User:Metalex123|Metalex123]] ([[User talk:Metalex123|talk]]) 13:15, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
::I dunno, it's more about his personal vehicle. Slightly forum talk but how on earth does he fit a whole boxing arena inside the King Kruiser II? [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 13:18, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
:::I merged that info to [[King K. Rool#Donkey Kong 64]] a few months ago. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:52, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
::::Yeah but how about: King Kruiser II covers the vehicle, the Boxing Ring covers the boss battle, and K Rool's DK64 section summarizes his in-game role? [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 14:11, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
:::::The DK64 [[Nintendo Power]] guide generically refers to it as "boxing arena", while Prima doesn't give a specific title. The [http://web.archive.org/web/20000304171035/http://www.nintendo.com/n64/donkeykong64/dkisles.html Nintendo.com Banana guide] doesn't even give a name. Personally I'd settle this by summarizing the battle on [[King K. Rool]]'s page and the [[King Kruiser II]] articles alike, though done differently based on the subject, and then create boxing arena as the stage title. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 11:07, August 11, 2019 (EDT)
:Ok, so I decided to remove the talk header because i think a valid kong-clusion is that we should refer to its generic name--{{fake link|boxing arena}}--and make a page from there covering all aspects of the boss battle. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 14:56, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
In the game files the stage is actually known as boxing arena {{User:Korporal K. Reep/sig}}

== King Koopa ==

Was there an episode in SMBSS where it also occured, or am i just misremembering? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:19, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

== Split Kaptain K. Rool, Baron K. Roolenstein and King Krusha K. Rool ==

{{TPP}}
Across the wiki, characters have their forms or alter-egos split from the main character (e.g. [[Leo Luster]] from [[Bluster Kong]], [[Dr. Mario]] from [[Mario]], and basically every form Mario takes from a powerup). However, it seems that this isn't the case for K. Rool and his three "forms". Now, it may just seem like they are just their specific games version of the character and nothing less. But both K. Rool and his Krusha K. Rool form both appear in ''Donkey Kong 64''. And Kaptain and Krusha both make cameo appearances in K. Rool's attacks in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''. I'd definitely say these versions of K. Rool have enough going on for them to be worthy of an article.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Starluxe}}<br>'''Deadline''': November 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Starluxe}} Per proposal
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal.
<s>{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} I don't agree with the power-up comparison but I do agree with the proposal's intent</s>

===Oppose===
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} Why are we splitting costumes?
#{{User|Hewer}} Per points brought up in the comments. Also, I wouldn't say K. Rool's aliases actually appear in his Smash moves; he references them by putting on a pirate hat, [[propellerpack]], or boxing glove, but he's still just King K. Rool. If anything I could see it being a point against splitting them since it shows that they aren't that distinct from normal K. Rool (unlike Dr. Mario who's an entirely separate character in the Smash games).
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} I think it's fine as is.
#{{User|Technetium}} Per Waluigi Time in the comments.
#{{User|MarioComix}} Even if we do split out Kaptain K. Rool and Baron K. Roolenstein, to be in line with something like [[Giant Bowser]] or [[Meowser]], etc., how much of that page would be redundant with what remains on King K. Rool's page? Either both K. Rool's ''DKC2'' section and Kaptain K. Rool would be about the same, or we would be removing K. Rool's ''DKC2'' info and putting it into Kaptain K. Rool, which at that point is just extra hassle for no real benefit. For example, someone wanting to read about K. Rool's ''DKC2'' info from K. Rool's own page would have to navigate to a separate page just to do so. Even considering the "gameplay abilities" of Kaptain / Baron forms, Kaptain K. Rool's abilities are essentially just K. Rool's abilities in ''DKC2'', and Baron's for ''DKC3'', so I think it works best to keep it on the same page.
#{{User|Windy}} Per Hewer.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Splitting would cause too much redundancy for what amounts to King K. Rool playing dress-up. He doesn't have any distinct personality changes like Rookie or Mr. L, and he doesn't acquire any power-ups like Meowser; he is literally just putting a costume on. This would be akin to splitting all of [[King Koopa's alter egos]] from each other.

===Comments===
The power-ups are split because Mario is not the ''only'' one who can take these forms: several of them are also used by Luigi, Peach, the Toads, Daisy, Rosalina, etc. Sure, there are some power-ups that only Mario can use due to the fact that they appear in games where Mario is the only playable character (and the same goes for Yoshi and Wario with their transformations). But the point is, these are being treated as transformations with their own unique abilities, benefits and weaknesses ''first'', NOT as the character ''assuming'' those transformations. So I wouldn't put these on the same caliber as K. Rool's alter egos, which are more in line with King Koopa's many, ''many'' alter egos in ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]''<br>If we ''did'' treat these power-ups as separate character alter egos the same way as Leo Luster and Dr. Mario, we would have various articles on ''everyone else'' assuming those power-up forms (Cat Peach, Fire Rosalina, Kitsune Luigi, Drill Daisy, Metal Wario, etc.), and that might feel redundant. And at that point, we may actually need to do the same with Dr. Mario, because of all the Dr. alter egos from all the characters in ''[[Dr. Mario World]]'' (which includes things like Dr. Dolphin and Dr. Goomba Tower), adding to the redundancy. Really, the one exception I can think of from the top of my head is [[Meowser]], not only because of the more unique name, but mostly because this one is treated as a ''boss character'' instead of a mere transformation that everyone can assume. And that could ''maybe'' be a condition to split the K. Rool alter egos? {{User:Arend/sig}} 07:22, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

I see where this proposal is coming from, but it reminds me of certain WarioWare characters who change jobs, outfits, and names between games, like [[Joe|Gelato Joe / Pizza Joe / Manager Joe / Editor Joe / Joe]] and [[Ken|Ken the Reporter / Anchorman Ken / Ken the VJ / Reporter Ken / Ken]], and I don't support splitting those. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 09:01, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

@Support: These are literally costumes for King K. Rool and nothing else. Shall we split the Fire/Tanooki etc... ones as well? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:03, October 30, 2024 (EDT)
:To be fair, one of the proposal's arguments is that "the [[Fire Mario|Fire]]/[[Tanooki Mario|Tanooki]] etc... ones" are split already. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 09:10, October 30, 2024 (EDT)
::Besides, there's a good reason why "the Fire/Tanooki etc... ones" are split (as well as why they aren't split further beyond Fire Mario/Tanooki Mario), as I've explained at the top of the comments section. {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:50, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

Issue: In ''Donkey Kong Land 3'', he has the appearance of Baron K. Roolenstein, but is consistently just called "K. Rool" even in the cast roll. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 09:55, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

I'm not sure about this one. Compared to Leo Luster, or even Mr. L or Rookie, there's not really any tangible difference that I'm aware of that would make these worth splitting. There's no personality changes or relevance to the story (for the first two, K. Rool even stays in costume for the entire game). They're just K. Rool playing dress-up basically, which puts them more in line with Bowser's alter-egos from the ''Super Show''. Dr. Mario is a poor comparison due to the sheer volume of appearances and playable status, and the power-ups don't work as an argument at all. Those aren't character alter-egos/costumes, they're specific transformations with gameplay functions. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:34, October 30, 2024 (EDT)
: Go ahead and oppose. The comments for opposing is that there's no reason to split. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 06:52, October 31, 2024 (EDT)
::It's Waluigi Time's choice if he wants to cast a vote on the proposal or not, don't tell other users to vote just because their comment infers one side. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 08:57, October 31, 2024 (EDT)
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 :As I mentioned in my edit summary, all of this evidence references K. Rool being a pirate captain (which we already know, thanks to his Kaptain persona in ''Diddy's Kong Quest''), but nothing explicitly confirms that he was a pirate before becoming king. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 19:14, August 1, 2019 (EDT)
-::K. Rool's creator [[Steve Mayles]] approved the idea of [https://x.com/WinkySteve/status/1854815401735045299 his backstory] where he was Kackle's pirate pupil along with [[Kloak]] and [[Skeleton Kremling|pirate Kritters]] before they die. --[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 21:53, 11 December 2024 (EDT)
 == King Krusha K. Rool battle? ==
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 == Split Kaptain K. Rool, Baron K. Roolenstein and King Krusha K. Rool ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{proposal outcome|canceled}}
 Across the wiki, characters have their forms or alter-egos split from the main character (e.g. [[Leo Luster]] from [[Bluster Kong]], [[Dr. Mario]] from [[Mario]], and basically every form Mario takes from a powerup). However, it seems that this isn't the case for K. Rool and his three "forms". Now, it may just seem like they are just their specific games version of the character and nothing less. But both K. Rool and his Krusha K. Rool form both appear in ''Donkey Kong 64''. And Kaptain and Krusha both make cameo appearances in K. Rool's attacks in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''. I'd definitely say these versions of K. Rool have enough going on for them to be worthy of an article.
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 #{{User|Windy}} Per Hewer.
 #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Splitting would cause too much redundancy for what amounts to King K. Rool playing dress-up. He doesn't have any distinct personality changes like Rookie or Mr. L, and he doesn't acquire any power-ups like Meowser; he is literally just putting a costume on. This would be akin to splitting all of [[King Koopa's alter egos]] from each other.
-#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all.
-#{{User|Dainn}} Per all.
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 : Go ahead and oppose. The comments for opposing is that there's no reason to split. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 06:52, October 31, 2024 (EDT)
 ::It's Waluigi Time's choice if he wants to cast a vote on the proposal or not, don't tell other users to vote just because their comment infers one side. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 08:57, October 31, 2024 (EDT)
-==Different in Japan?==
-[[https://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:List_of_rumors_and_urban_legends#King._K._Rool_entry_might_warrant_a_overhaul So, from what Glowsquid]] found out, King K. Rool is depicted as three separate guys in Japan in a SDK2 manga and the “Uhoho Donkey-kun,” manga. This means we might have to reconsider the "mistranlation" as it seems it was done on purpose despite Rare Twitter saying that King K. Rool and Kaptain K. Rool are the same guy. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 16:18, January 13, 2025 (EST)
-:I don't have any information besides what you've said here, but from experience with other licensed manga it's that these are written by authors independent of the parent company (Nintendo) and tend to take creative liberties, for example the ''Legend of Zelda'' manga or of course the various ''Pokemon'' manga that have been released, so it's not necessarily indicative of Nintendo Japan's stance on the character, whether it be back then or now. It could warrant a mention on the page that they are depicted as individuals in said manga, or it could even warrant splitting off Kaptain and Baron as forms of K. Rool (as suggested by a failed proposal) and then mention on those pages that he's depicted as an individual in those manga. But of course, we need the full story, after all, maybe K. Rool found a magic artifact that split him into 3 individuals in those manga? [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 01:09, January 14, 2025 (EST)
-:I'd have supported the split. Even if they're just "disguises" ultimately, if notable personas like Dr. Mario (who sometimes is treated as his own character) are taken as different forms worthy of different articles, I see no reason why K. Rool can't have them, too. Plus, there's already a precedent via DKC2's "pirate" versions of DKC baddies (e.g. Klomp/Kritter, Kruncha/Krusha...). If "dresses differently and goes under another name" is different enough for regular enemies, why isn't it special enough for the big baddie? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:55, January 17, 2025 (EST)
-::DKL3 remains an issue. He's dressed the same as in DKC3, but isn't given any name beyond "K. Rool." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:38, January 17, 2025 (EST)
-:::But he's not 'King' K. Rool there, right? Looks like a few DKC3 lines also shorten K. Roolenstein to K. Rool, notably the [[List of Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! quotes#Banana Queen|Banana Queen]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:56, January 17, 2025 (EST)
-::::But in those cases, it could be taken as characters referring to him by his real name despite the "persona name" he's using. For the enemies, I would say keeping the variants split is in line with the way the Wiki splits variants such as [[Tail Bullet Bill]]s, 1-off enemies very similar to the original enemy. About the point of "K. Rool can't have [a different article] too", I would say it's also worth considering ease-of-use for a reader. Let's say they want to find info on "K. Rool from ''DKC2''", they can more easily navigate to King K. Rool's page and find it there, rather than have to be redirected to yet another link about "Kaptain K. Rool" which merely describes K. Rool's abilities in ''DKC2'' and the two times he appeared as a separate entity in a 3rd-party manga. It's almost like if we treated [[Petey Piranha]] as a species across the whole series despite the only times being in the [[Mario Hoops 3-on-3|two]] [[Mario Sports Mix|games]] Square Enix developed. Additionally, K. Rool's [[List of King K. Rool profiles and statistics|Japanese bio]] for ''DK64'' notably describes him as the Kongs' enemy "as always", so there's intent there for the personas to be the same as K. Rool even in Japan. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 01:11, January 18, 2025 (EST)
-:::::On the navigation point: ''maybe'' "K. Rool" can work as a disambig in the split scenario, rather than keep it as a redirect for King K. Rool. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 06:54, January 18, 2025 (EST)