Editing Talk:King K. Rool

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BUBBLES? From M&LSSS? Playable in King of Swing? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

:Actually, no... They're talking about Bubbles, the star of the [[NES]] game [[Wikipedia:Clu Clu Land|''Clu Clu Land'']]. I can see how that could be confusing... Maybe something should be done about it. --[[User:YellowYoshi398|YellowYoshi398]] 09:44, 27 January 2007 (EST)

oh... I clicked on the link and... wait a minute, Clu Clu Land? Thats just as weird! She's Playable? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

Yeah, DK: King of Swing's gameplay was based off Clu Clu Land's, so its only fitting Bubbles be in I guess. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Trivia = Interesting.  Seeing Bowser as King K. Rool is interesting. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:When K. Rool didn't even exist at that time, and Bowser even looked less like K. Rool in the second one? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:49, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
::It's interesting cause it may be possible inspiration for the K. Rool design. I say keep it. Making connections like that is what Trivia is all about. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

== Long-Lost Brother ==

Well, according to the trophy of King K. Rool in Brawl, Kaptain K. Rool and King K. Rool are two seperate characters-Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother. Should we create a seperate page for Kaptain K. Rool? http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small> http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
:within the article it says that its only in the japanese version that they aren't the same person so don't think we need to change anything - [[User:Kamicciolo|Kamicciolo]]

::But is the trophy information of K. Rool changed in the American version of the game? Hmm...I don't think that's something any of us knows... http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
:::Just have to wait and see - [[User:Kamicciolo|Kamicciolo]]
::::I'm assuming this is a mistake, like how Cranky's trophy says his first playable appearance is Barrel Blast. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 19:36, 16 February 2008 (EST)
:::::Sir Grodus: Nintendo, who made Brawl, often chooses to say that it always has been the current [[Donkey Kong}} who has always been Donkey Kong, and he hasn't had ANY playable apperances except in [[Donkey Kong (video game)|Donkey Kong]] (with Nintendo DON'T support) and [[Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast]]. {{unsigned|KingMario}} 1st March, 2008 09:26 (GMT +01)
::::::[[Princess Daisy|Daisy's]] trophy information in SSBM said she appeared in Mario Golf (A game she didn't actually appear in) instead ofMario Tennis. The trophy info were full of false info, and I don't see why it wouldn't be the case with Brawl. I think a trivia note about the Brawl trophy is good enough. {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}
:::::::I don't know about you, but my SSBM lists Daisy's first appearance as Super Mario Land. Maybe they fixed it in the European version though. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 06:51, 1 March 2008 (EST)
::::::::D'oh, I checked the Daisy article and uh, it say something completly different about her trophy in SSBM, I corrected my above post to reflect it. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 07:08, 1 March 2008 (EST)
:::::::::KingMario: Cranky Kong is playable in the GBA version of Donkey Kong Country 3 and is also playable in [[Donkey Konga 3]]; both these games were released years before Barrel Blast. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 21:18, 1 March 2008 (EST)
:Nintendo makes all kinds of mistakes, this is probably just one of them. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 18:02, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

It's really annoying that Nintendo keeps on throwing these huge continunuity loops at us... However, the Smash Bros. games, being crossovers, could easily be said to be un-canonical. I like our theory better.

On the OTHER hand, we have absolutely no evidence for ours the Kaptain/King/Baron=same person thing, do we? - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

:I'm pretty sure the manual of DKC2 stated "He's Back" when talking about Kaptain K. Rool. Now, since this would be his first appearance in the series if he was a brother, I'm pretty sure Rare was showing that it was the same person. This trophy error may come from the fact that, in Japan, they were stated to be brothers, while here they were stated to be the same person. {{User:Lanky kong/sig}}

==K. Lumsy==

I heard that K. Lumsy was K. Rool's brother. {{User: Master Lucario/sig}}

I think that's just a rumor stemming from they're similar names - the only place I've heard them referred to as brothers was on that Mario Series Characters Guide website. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 16:43, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
:Then doesn't that make it official? Also, ''SSBB'' says that Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 17:57, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
::Uh, the Mario series Character guide is completely unofficial. About the Kaptain K. Rool thing, there's a discussion about it just above. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 17:59, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

== Tail... ==

*I know for a fact K. Rool had a tail in DKC and DK64, but in SSBB, his trophy has no tail at all...

Ever since PAON took over the DK series, K. Rool has been without a tail. So, yeah, King of Swing I'm pretty sure was the first time he appeared without a tail. {{User:Lanky kong/sig}}

== Main image ==

-The main image is from Jungle Climber, but in Jungle Climber and Mario Super Sluggers his skin was a bit yellower, so wouldn't that mean the current picture is out of date? [[User:Kount K. Rool|Kount K. Rool]] 15:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
:Unless there's a newer official artwork, No, it's not outdated. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 15:48, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

== Pharaoh K.Rool ==

He´s now egyptian, that means that kritters should call him "pharaoh" (calling king an egyptian king is actually (or more like "was") an offense for him...

[[User:Drmgin|Drmgin]] 16:27, 9 January 2009 (EST)

I don't have MSS but I strongly doubt it's directly stated that he's egyptian just 'cause he wears clothes like an egyptian. But even if he is, we '''should not under any circumstances''' change the article's name to "Pharoh K. Rool". {{User|Lemmy Koopa Fan}}

== On looking like Bowser==

I don't think this is important enough to go into the article, but in case it comes up, someone asked the Scribes if K. Rool was based on Bowser, and the answer gives was "Probably not, as one overweight lizard tends to look like another," observes DKC's designer. He has a point." ([http://www.rareware.com/extras/scribes/20dec07/index.html Scribes page for December 20th 2007]).

:I think it's interesting enough for Trivia. =) [[User:Culex|Culex]] 15:06, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

::Well I guess I'll expand on the trivia bullet that already talks about this then. --[[User:Turkishcoffee|Turkishcoffee]] 15:09, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

== Split Kaptain K. Rool ==
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Just recently, I was playing Super Smash Bros. Brawl and began to read the trophy descriptions. When I read King K. Rool's description, I noticed that it said, ''"'''His brother, Kaptain K. Rool''', made an appearance in the game Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest."'' Since Kaptain K. Rool is actually his brother, I propose we split them because they are two different characters with completely different roles. 

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Fawfulfury65}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' November 22, 2010 23:59 GMT

===Split===
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per myself

===Keep Merged===
#{{User|Its-a-me Yoshi!}}-  It is never mentioned outside of brawl and Diddys Kong quest says its an alter ego.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Not necessary by any means, considering that Kaptain K. Rool is just King K. Rool's alter-ego.  This also applies to Baron K. Roolenstein.  Though it is pretty strange that Dr. Mario has a separate article.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - The ''Brawl'' trophy has been accepted as a mistake for years (see this page's top section, from 2008). So, until we're given a more substantial reason to split the characters, we should continue to trust that the ''DKC2'' manual at least knew what it was talking about (Kaptain K. Rool's complete description reads "The leader of the pack is back, and this time he's packing a blunderbuss! Ouch!"). Plus, splitting them will confuse tonnes of fans who just thought it was a costume change (like Baron K. Roolenstein); at least Dr. Mario has his own series and acts different from the plumber...
#{{User|Grandy02}} The Kaptain is only portrayed as separate character in Japan. I'd support if the DKC games were developed in Japan, but they were created by British developer Rare, who portrayed Kaptain and Baron as alter-egos. The trophy information was simply translated from Japanese without paying attention to the English DKC materials. If Kaptain or Baron should ever appear together with King K. Rool as his relatives, they would be worth their own articles, of course, but not just because of the trophy description.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Per all, this is an alter-ego that only appeared in one game and there isn't enough different stuff to talk about on it.
#{{User|Edofenrir}} - Per Grandy02.
#{{User|Mario304}} - Keep merged because King K. Rool and Kaptain K Rool are the same character in U.S. and Europe, but they are separate in Japan. Also, Per all.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per all.
#{{User|Mechayoshi}} Just asking for stub articles. per all.
#{{User|MarioManiac}} Per all.

===Comments===
That would just make a stub with little info to put in it.....{{User:Mechayoshi/sig}}

@Its-a-me Yoshi!: Yes, but Brawl came after DKC2, so it is the most recent source. An official Nintendo game can't lie. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:The trophy descriptions can have mistakes at times, though. Baby Mario's trophy description is an example. And that's not the only one. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
::The question is whether this would be considered a joke or not. {{User|Marioguy1}}
:::What would be considered a joke? This proposal? I don't see why it would be: it's a valid question - one that's been asked many times before on this matter. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 04:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I guess I didn't notice the sections above :p. You can't really prove that it could have been a mistake, and Brawl is an official source. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:While Brawl is indeed an official source, I personally think that when deciding how a character not from the ''Smash Bros.'' series should be dealt with, information stemming directly from that character's series should take a higher priority than ''Smash Bros.'' trophy information if they contradict each other. Just my view on this, though.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 15:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

@MrConcreteDonkey: No, there's actually a lot to talk about if he's a whole different character. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:Rare didn't portray him as a different character, though, the Japanese localisation team did. --{{User|Grandy02}}