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==Voice==
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Hey, in the triva section it mentions something about king boo's voice.
Hey, in the triva section it mentions something about king boo's voice.
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*It'll soon be a full month since this article received full protection.  When will the full protection be lifted?  Again, semi-protection can be considered if you feel that this article still needs to be protected from the newer Mario Wiki members. {{User:M&SG/sig}} 16:48, 5 December 2009 (EST)
*It'll soon be a full month since this article received full protection.  When will the full protection be lifted?  Again, semi-protection can be considered if you feel that this article still needs to be protected from the newer Mario Wiki members. {{User:M&SG/sig}} 16:48, 5 December 2009 (EST)


==Split ''Super Mario Sunshine'' section to {{fake link|King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)}}==
==Split ''Super Mario Sunshine'' section to {{fakelink|King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)}}==
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<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">SPLIT 5-1</span>
In the Japanese language editions of various Mario games, there is a character called キングテレサ ''Kingu Teresa''. There is also a ''Super Mario Sunshine'' exclusive character called ボステレサ ''Bosu Teresa''. Both of these are localized into English as "King Boo", creating an ambiguity. Based on [[Talk:Yo'ster Isle#Merge_Yo.27ster_Island_with_Yoshi.27s_Island|the precedent set at Talk:Yo'ster Isle]], I'm proposing that the information pertaining to ''Bosu Teresa'' be split to a separate article at {{fake link|King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)}}.
 
In the Japanese language editions of various Mario games, there is a character called キングテレサ ''Kingu Teresa''. There is also a ''Super Mario Sunshine'' exclusive character called ボステレサ ''Bosu Teresa''. Both of these are localized into English as "King Boo", creating an ambiguity. Based on [[Talk:Yo'ster Isle#Merge_Yo.27ster_Island_with_Yoshi.27s_Island|the precedent set at Talk:Yo'ster Isle]], I'm proposing that the information pertaining to ''Bosu Teresa'' be split to a separate article at {{fakelink|King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)}}.


'''Proposer''': {{User|Twentytwofiftyseven}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Twentytwofiftyseven}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 16, 2010, 23:59 (GMT)
'''Deadline''': 23:59, 16 April 2010 (GMT)


===Support===
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#{{User|Twentytwofiftyseven}}
#{{User|Twentytwofiftyseven}}
#{{User|KS3}} Kingu Teresa stands for King Boo, while the other one stands for Boss Boo, the official name for King Boo in Super Mario Sunshine.
#{{User|KS3}} Kingu Teresa stands for King Boo, while the other one stands for Boss Boo, the official name for King Boo in Super Mario Sunshine.
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#{{User|Grandy02}} - Same as the [[Wiggler (Super Mario Sunshine)|Wiggler boss]] - the creators named the ''Sunshine'' King Boo differently, so he is most likely intended to be a separate character.
#{{User|Grandy02}} - Same as the [[Wiggler (Super Mario Sunshine)|Wiggler boss]] - the creators named the ''Sunshine'' King Boo differently, so he is most likely intended to be a separate character.


===Oppose===
<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Oppose</div>
#{{User|Commander Code-8}} Why are there always people who think there needs to be a new article just because there's a translation difference?
#{{User|Commander Code-8}} Why are there always people who think there needs to be a new article just because there's a translation difference?


===Comments===
<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Comments</div>
@Commander Code-8: This isn't a translation difference, as the Japanese version is the original and not a translated version, almost all ''Mario'' games are made in Japan. And the team that developed the game (which included Mario's creator Shigeru Miyamoto as the producer who also produced the first King Boo's debut game ''Luigi's Mansion'') named the SMS King Boo differently from the other one, implying that the two kings are intended to be different characters. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 17:54, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
@Commander Code-8: This isn't a translation difference, as the Japanese version is the original and not a translated version, almost all ''Mario'' games are made in Japan. And the team that developed the game (which included Mario's creator Shigeru Miyamoto as the producer who also produced the first King Boo's debut game ''Luigi's Mansion'') named the SMS King Boo differently from the other one, implying that the two kings are intended to be different characters. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 17:54, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
:@Commander Code-8: The King boo in Super Mario Sunshine is supposed to be named Boss Boo, or how about let's split Goby from Cheep Cheep, and merge Blue Toad (toad Brigade) into Blue Toad (NSMBW) and Metal Mario (character) and Metal Mario (form). {{User:KS3/sig}}
:@Commander Code-8: The King boo in Super Mario Sunshine is supposed to be named Boss Boo, or how about let's split Goby from Cheep Cheep, and merge Blue Toad (toad Brigade) into Blue Toad (NSMBW) and Metal Mario (character) and Metal Mario (form). {{User:KS3/sig}}


==King Boo and Bowser==
==King Boo and Bowser==
I was playing Luigi's Mansion on my cousin's gamecube today,and I noticed somthing,King Boo was talking with Mario saying...Okay,it was the french version so I translate it:You  
I was playing Luigi's Mansion on my cousin's gamecube today,and I noticed somthing,King Boo was talking with Mario saying...Okay,it was the french version so I translate it:You have cosed me troubles in the past.What past?Is this line  in the USA version too?{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
have cosed me troubles in the past.What past?Is this line  in the USA version too?{{User:Mr bones/sig}}


I bet he was refering to all the boos that were defeated by mario {{unsigned|Kaialone}}
I bet he was refering to all the boos that were defeated by mario {{unsigned|Kaialone}}
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In comparing to what I said above, the same website said that the peppers Mario used on the incarnation of King Boo in Sunshine turned his eyes red (possibly a Boo version of bloodshot eyes) and the water Mario used on King Boo turned his tounge blue, thus, the face of the Luigi's Mansion incarnation of King Boo! [[User:Shadow Master|Shadow Master]] 13:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
In comparing to what I said above, the same website said that the peppers Mario used on the incarnation of King Boo in Sunshine turned his eyes red (possibly a Boo version of bloodshot eyes) and the water Mario used on King Boo turned his tounge blue, thus, the face of the Luigi's Mansion incarnation of King Boo! [[User:Shadow Master|Shadow Master]] 13:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
:The "King Boo" character from Super Mario Sunshine is not the same character (that's why he's covered in [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|a seperate article]]); besides having a different design, he bears a completely different name in the Japanese version and shows no other similarities either besides being a Boo with a crown. It doesn't matter what fan-made websites say, there is no official connection between the two. Just clearing this up.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 14:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
:The "King Boo" character from Super Mario Sunshine is not the same character (that's why he's covered in [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|a seperate article]]); besides having a different design, he bears a completely different name in the Japanese version and shows no other similarities either besides being a Boo with a crown. It doesn't matter what fan-made websites say, there is no official connection between the two. Just clearing this up.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 14:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
I have a theory, I’ve been looking at Madame Clairvoya’s line of reviving Bowser, and I thought about something. Consider this, there are other definitions of the word revive. What if it’s not bring back to life revive, it’s bring back to full strength revive? Maybe King Boo was helping Bowser recover from his injuries after the fall he had in Paper Mario, and in Luigi’s Mansion, he leaves him alone to rest( Because it was night obviously) and avenge his own pack. That would make sense, unless maybe King Boo somehow put Bowser’s soul back into his body and he became mortal again. That is my thought. {{unsigned|Supermariolover}}


== Three king boos ==
== Three king boos ==
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I have another piece of evidence that can/could support this, by the way im talking about the rooftop battle in the first game not dark moon.(Note: theres no final rooftop battle in dark moon just in case you don't know). - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
I have another piece of evidence that can/could support this, by the way im talking about the rooftop battle in the first game not dark moon.(Note: theres no final rooftop battle in dark moon just in case you don't know). - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
:Even if your basing all your information in the first game, we don't know for sure if the Bowser Suit is some concrete advanced piece of technology or an illusion.
:{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 23:34, 9 April 2013 (EDT)
Well, then i guess we can class it as another ghost? It does appear in the Ghost Portificationizer. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
:It's not a ghost either. It seems to me that it's an object that Luigi somehow sucks up, like how he can get gemstones and stuff.
:{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:55, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
Yes well, Luigi doesnt actually suck it up, it just appears with King Boo in the Ghost Portificationizer, so i guess we just call it a "Bowser Suit" then, no robots, illusions or Ghosts, just a suit. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
:If the spirit of bowser was sealed with king boo than Dark moon explains how he appears in late games. Bowser escaped the portrait with king boo after egadd sold it in a garage sale.-pants98


==Update: Three King Boos==
==Update: Three King Boos==
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how do i know that the Luigi's mansion King Boo is different... King Boo was sold at a car boot sale in his portrait form. he only reveals how he got out in dark moon. he would explain earlier (e.g. Super Mario 64ds) if he was the same guy. and he looks very different to the other appearances, so... [[Special:Contributions/109.145.43.142|109.145.43.142]] 14:24, 9 April 2013 (EDT)
how do i know that the Luigi's mansion King Boo is different... King Boo was sold at a car boot sale in his portrait form. he only reveals how he got out in dark moon. he would explain earlier (e.g. Super Mario 64ds) if he was the same guy. and he looks very different to the other appearances, so... [[Special:Contributions/109.145.43.142|109.145.43.142]] 14:24, 9 April 2013 (EDT)
:I don't think it's proof. It's more a hunch than solid proof that we have more than two King Boos. We do know that King Boo from Super Mario Sunshine is different, but with a bit of creativity, we can say that King Boo from Luigi's Mansion is the same as King Boo in the spinoffs. I can say that the whole time, King Boo is being an actor. In Luigi's Mansion, he's wearing costume and make-up. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 23:32, 9 April 2013 (EDT)
HUZZAH!! Sorry about that, but i have the solution, there are actually 2 King Boos, theres 2 because it isnt clear if the one in sunshine is actually him. <b>Let me Explain (Note: I am talking about 1 King Boo here and not the 1 in sunshine)</b> "ahem", In the spin off games King Boo's crown is missing the gem he wore in his debut and latest appearance, Luigis Mansion 2, the first crown was sold by Luigi at the end of the game, other wise how did he get the house without selling it. So King Boo got a new crown, but with no gem, at some point before Luigis Mansion 2, King Boo acquires a new gem as he states before the final battle. Though if you watch the cutscenes carefully the gem is floating above the crown, and after beating him is no longer attached to the crown. Thus the King boo we have seen in Luigis Mansion, The sspin off games and Luigis Mansion 2 have all been the same King Boo, He was just missing a power enhancing gem from the first game up ntil recently. Also hes appearance is only diffrent when he has said gems as in the first and latest game he kept the menacing appearance from the first game. While in the spin offs he looked like a large Boo wearing a crown. So to sum it up there are 2 King Boos not 3. Questions? - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
:I'd like to leave it as this: the King Boo from Luigi's Mansion games and the spinoffs are the same King Boo.
:{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:56, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
Sort of what i was getting at, but yeah ok. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
== King Boo's Other Appearance ==
Hey I noticed that King Boo also appeared in [[Mario Kart Arcade GP 2]]. Should that be added to this? [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 01:23, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
:Yes, it should. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
== Personality update with TV Troops as material source ==
I don't want to step on any toes, of course, but I was wondering if we should update His Royal Scariness with new information for his personality section. Apparently, his actions in Dark Moon have classified him as a complete monster on TV Tropes. Just saying. It would be best if we reached a majority agreement. Here's the link for details. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/SuperMarioBrosBowserAndHisBaddies--[[User:Ladies-Man1|Ladies-Man1]] ([[User talk:Ladies-Man1|talk]]) 21:56, 11 March 2015 (EDT)
:That is a spectacularly terrible idea. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 22:44, 11 March 2015 (EDT)
::Why? What did I do wrong? I'm not saying we should add the snarky attitude, just add some relevant information here and there.--[[User:Ladies-Man1|Ladies-Man1]] ([[User talk:Ladies-Man1|talk]]) 23:42, 11 March 2015 (EDT)
:::TVTropes isn't the best place to gain information about your character's personality in the first place. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:44, 11 March 2015 (EDT)
::::How so? Their info is usually quite accurate. It was just a suggestion.--[[User:Ladies-Man1|Ladies-Man1]] ([[User talk:Ladies-Man1|talk]]) 23:46, 11 March 2015 (EDT)
:Alright guys stop dissing people, he's just suggesting. Basically, TVTropes is merely interperatting an opinion on the character, its not a fact or an confirmation, and we don't acknowledge what a general audience says per character, only mentioning ratings on games. You didn't do anything wrong <small> unless you count that username >.< </small>[[File:Toad-brigade model CTTT.png|35px|]][[User:toadbrigade5|<font color=red><big>'''Toad'''</big></font>]][[User talk:toadbrigade5| <small>and his</small><font color=grey> '''brigade!'''</font>]][[File:Toadette model CTTT.png|35px]] 01:02, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
::I'm not exactly dissing him, I'm just criticizing his idea. We already sorta do this with our personality sections, but in a more formal manner than what TVTropes does. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 01:14, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
It's a bad idea because:
1:The quality control on TV Tropes is nonexistent. Anybody can write in their insane fan theory or hatred for a specific character and present it as if that's what everyone think.
2:TV Tropes can't be used as a source for factual statement. Like, I can't even write "TV Trope's standard for sourcing are pitiful" because that would imply TV Tropes has standards for factual accuracy and proper sourcing. It literally doesn't.
3:TV Tropes is an user-contributed site. They're making statements based on the content of the gaem, just as we are. What sort of ''unprecedented insight'' would warrant citing it, and in what way couldn't it be accomplished by a mariowiki editor with a copy of the game? --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 13:47, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
I think my username fits one of my desires very nicely. Regardless, I just think that we can study the information TV Tropes has on King Boo before deciding whether or not it can be used in a formal manner here.--[[User:Ladies-Man1|Ladies-Man1]] ([[User talk:Ladies-Man1|talk]]) 17:41, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
:This can still be useful if anyone ever decides to use it. Trust me. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/SuperMarioBrosBowserAndHisBaddies --[[User:Ladies-Man1|Ladies-Man1]] ([[User talk:Ladies-Man1|talk]]) 22:18, 31 March 2015 (EDT)
==Full Name in ''Luigi's Mansion''==
In ''Luigi's Mansion'' when was used the full name "Bowser and King Boo, the Dastardly Duo"? In the game, Re Boo does not have a description in the Game Boy Horror. --[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 13:59, 1 April 2018 (EDT)
==Separate character==
Okay, there's been some dispute over the "King Boo is a separate character from LM King Boo" addition as of late. Should it be kept? I'm personally against it, but if anyone sees a reason to keep, then I'm fine. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 21:13, October 24, 2019 (EDT)
:(I'm just gonna copy-paste my response on the IP talk page)
:Aside from the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' appearance, all the King Boos have been the same character. There has never been more than one, his appearance in ''Dark Moon'' was because of the Dark Moon and the design carried over into ''Luigi's Mansion 3''. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:15, October 24, 2019 (EDT)
:"They're designed differently" alone usually isn't remotely enough to be considered an actual separate character (character designs evolve and shift between games, imagine that!) and alternate designs as playable characters isn't TOO much of a leap from alternate forms a la [[Metal Mario]] and such. Plus most of this is seemingly based on conflating the ''Luigi's Mansion'' continuity with that of appearances in other games, and [[MarioWiki:Good writing#Reading between the lines|we're well acquainted with what happens when you try to force continuity where none might actually exist]]. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 22:18, October 24, 2019 (EDT)
::As I've said before, the LM design and "generic" design are ''officially confirmed'' to be the same character in Smash. So not only is it fanoning to say they're different, it's defying official word. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:44, October 24, 2019 (EDT)
:::If it were an issue of bad localisation work, then that would have definitely been rectified by now. If they were meant to be separate individuals, they would have different Japanese names in ''Mario Kart Tour'', which they don't. (They're both still King Teresa.) [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 23:55, October 24, 2019 (EDT)
::::Yeah, it's probably best to keep them the same, as been stated it's really no different than alternate forms like witch Rosalina. I just wish we could use the LM design for the main Artwork, especially since Tour seemingly gave him a "standardized" render for this design; ie, not one that's just promotional art for a Luigi's Mansion game. [[User:OrbicularCicada|OrbicularCicada]]([[User talk:OrbicularCicada|talk]]) 24:18, October 25, 2019 (EDT)
::::: Multiple games state the non-LM design is still the same King Boo from Luigi's Mansion. His design only changes to make him fit in better with the lighter-hearted Mario games. Also, it's possible that since his Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon crown enhances his abilities, that it also changes his appearance, as well. Same with his crown in the first and third Luigi's Mansion games. --[[User:PyroGothNerd|PyroGothNerd]] ([[User talk:PyroGothNerd|talk]]) 20:51, October 28, 2019 (EDT)
:Keep in mind everybody though that smash has gotten things wrong such as claiming that Kaptain K Rool is King K Rool’s brother so I would say it’s still a possibility that they are re not the same character  {{User|35.136.185.103}}
==The infobox should use Luigi's Mansion artwork==
Luigi's Mansion may be a spin-off from the main Mario games, but it is still King Boo's debut as well as the series in which he is a true core character, part of the main cast. It's not a main series but it's HIS main series, if you know what I mean. If anything the generic crown Boo design should be considered the spin-off material for him because of this. Yeah, it's more commonly used, but I think it's important to take the context of each appearance into account rather than just the raw numerical value. Even in the future, if he gets new artwork for Mario Party 42 or Mario Kart ∞ that uses the generic design, the most recent art of him from the Luigi's Mansion series should take priority over it.
{{Unsigned|178.155.205.151}}
:Seconded. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 08:49, November 3, 2019 (EST)
I think it would look much cooler too [[User:Mario Sakuraba|Mario Sakuraba]] ([[User talk:Mario Sakuraba|talk]]) 10:56, November 3, 2019 (EST)
:The standard for infobox artwork is to use the character's most frequent appearance. It does not matter what the debut appearance is, whichever is the most detailed. If for some reason someone argued to use Daisy's N64 design because her dress had a cool petal design and her lack of crown made her stand out from Peach? No, we use the most standard appearance. If his ''Luigi's Mansion'' design becomes the new standard in future games, then it could change. But that is the standard on the Wiki. Same reason we try to avoid using "sports outfits" for characters, or, say, Rosalina's added star detailing from ''Super Smash Bros.'' They may be more interesting, but they aren't the standard appearance of that character. Now, whether there is a platform elsewhere for you to take this up with the policy-makers on the Wiki or not, I'm not sure. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 15:25, November 3, 2019 (EST)
::Daisy's N64 design hasn't been used in 20 years. King Boo's later LM design was used 3 days ago. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:26, November 3, 2019 (EST)
:::Well, it's also the same reason we don't use Rosalina's render from ''Smash Bros.'' The design there is not as representative as her standard design. Or, as another example, Archivist Toadette's design instead of Toadette's standard design. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 18:03, November 3, 2019 (EST)
I disagree, the most standard character design should always be used as it is the best representation of that character. While the Luigi's Mansion series is King Boo's debut and indisputably his largest role in the Mario franchise, the design used in those games is nowhere near the standard representation of King Boo. The Luigi's Mansion design of King Boo has only physically appeared in 5 games, while at the time of writing this, his "generic" design is used for physical appearances in 20 games. To add to this, one of the games where King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design appears is Mario Kart Tour, where not only does it co-exist with his "generic" design, but is also specifically referred to as a variant design. As for considering the "generic" design "spin-off material", keep in mind that he appeared with this design in Super Mario 64 DS, and the platformers are generally considered the main series when it comes to the Mario franchise. If, going forward, King Boo dropped his "generic" design and started using his Luigi's Mansion design in other games, it would be a different situation, but that's not the case.
tl;dr Although King Boo's largest role in the franchise is definitely within the Luigi's Mansion games, he does not appear using that character design nearly often enough for it to be used as a representation of the character as a whole.
--{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:42, November 3, 2019 (EST)
== Split ==
Can we split the pages into:
[[King Boo (Mario series)]]<br>
[[King Boo (Luigi's Mansion series)]]<br>
[[King Boo (Super Mario 64 DS)]]
That sounds more appropriate. Thanks. [[User:Bowser201|Bowser]][[User talk:Bowser201|201]] 11:08, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
:That's likely not going to happen due to the points established in the heavy amount of prior discussion on this matter&mdash;among them the fact that King Boo in LM is not necessarily a wholly different character from King Boo in the main series and spinoffs, making "appropriateness" a questionable criteria. You can read this talk page and the [[Big Boo]] [[Talk:Big Boo|talk page]] (along with the [[Talk:King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|other King Boo article's talk page]]) and see for yourself. This sort of thing isn't done without a proposal, which ideally shouldn't go forward without thorough discussion first regardless. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 11:20, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
::Lord G, while they may be the same character, they may be different universe-like. Also, this was only for admins. Stay out of this please. [[User:Bowser201|Bowser]][[User talk:Bowser201|201]] 11:29, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
:::You can't demand someone "stay out" of something. Around here, "admin" means "can block people and delete pages." The only "continuity" this franchise has is when it ''wants'' to, so splitting entities for wholly arbitrary reasons is not the way to go. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:35, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
::::Was going to say something similar but Doc beat me to it. Things like this have always been community decisions, not admin decisions. Anyway, there's nothing suggesting that these are different iterations of King Boo and they shouldn't have separate articles. I kind of get (but don't support) the rationale behind splitting King Boo in the Luigi's Mansion series, but I'm honestly stumped on why you think King Boo in 64 DS is a separate character altogether. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:38, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
::And exactly '''''why''''' shouldn't I, or any other editor, have a say in this, especially considering you literally need a proposal to establish consensus for this kind of change and admins aren't just going to force something through without discussing it anyway? By posting on this talk page, you open it to discussion and thus possible dissent, because that's how consensus on a wiki works. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 11:37, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
:::Admin note: Everyone has a say in this. You can't tell people to stay out of something, and you also gave no implication that this was meant for a particular people.
:::Also admin note: No, I don't think this split is a good idea, for reasons above. It's not like [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|''Super Mario Sunshine''{{'}}s King Boo]], which is a different character. All three of these examples are the same character with no form between them. There ''may'' be a case for ''Luigi's Mansion''{{'}}s King Boo, but it'd be a shaky one, so I don't know. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:50, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
:::But isn't SM64DS' King Boo different? [[User:Bowser201|Bowser]][[User talk:Bowser201|201]] 12:12, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
::That was a case of a misnomer in the English versions, as indicated by the discussion I tried to point you towards - also the article itself. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 12:29, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
:::Okay. [[User:Bowser201|Bowser]][[User talk:Bowser201|201]] 12:51, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
I would say that King Boo is intended to be the same entity, as indicated by the consistency of the Japanese name between appearances. <s>But then Doc has me questioning about what constitutes a "character" now.</s> [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 14:55, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
== King Boo's Voice Clips Stock Sound ==
So it's been thought that King Boo has been voiced by Toru Asakawa for quite a long while now, but it's apparently been discovered that his voice is just an edited stock sound from Sound Ideas - Series 4000 Hollywood Sound Effects Library? Here's a link the to source: https://soundideas.sourceaudio.com/#!details?id=7627435
And Here's a video that speeds up the full clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGBjtw2wdPs, It's definitely King Boo.
Soooo.. I guess he never had an official voice actor. Pretty surreal. I guess his "portrayal" and Toru Asakawa's pages should be updated. -[[User:OrbicularCicada|OrbicularCicada]] ([[User talk:OrbicularCicada|talk]])
:That's interesting... Now, that laugh isn't in ''every'' game, but I myself am not too sure what Toru Asakawa's portrayal is meant to be (just the laugh? King Boo's other voice effects?). [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 20:48, April 3, 2021 (EDT)
::I think the newer laugh that shows up in more recent games is just his old one but even more sped up, it seems it would be that way from this: (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/soundeffects/images/9/9b/Sound_Ideas%2C_CARTOON%2C_LAUGHTER_-_LOW%2C_THROATY_LAUGH%2C_HUMAN_01_%28King_Boo_Variant_2%29.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20210327033459)
::So I guess its basically in every game he's in! Even weirder. But yes true, unless his other voice clips are just heavily edited versions of the laugh, they could be voiced by Toru. -[[User:OrbicularCicada|OrbicularCicada]] ([[User talk:OrbicularCicada|talk]])
== King boo is an atomic boo ==
Do you it might be possible if king boo is a Big Boo because he's bigger than other boos and was even referred as Big Boo in super mario 64 ds, in the game he's just a Big Boo with a crown. [[Special:Contributions/185.69.145.70|185.69.145.70]] 09:52, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
:The Super Mario 64 DS thing was most likely a mistranslation, and he's not specifically referred to as a "Big Boo" outside of that. Also if you post a discussion in a talk page, please do not go ahead with these changes until you get feedback. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 10:13, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
== King boo is an atomic boo 2.0 ==
Okay, maybe the super mario 64 thing wasn't obvious enough but looks at how big he is! Plus in an early artwork in Luigi's mansion, king boo was going to be just an normal Large boo, also in super princess peach, he's first seen as a Giant Boo with when he has no crown,
I'm tellin' ya it's pretty obvious he's One [[Special:Contributions/109.153.57.192|109.153.57.192]] 13:24, August 5, 2024 (EDT)
:King Boo has never been shown to split up into lots of smaller Boos as far as I'm aware. He's a Boo with a crown - in other words, he's special and not just an average Boo. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 13:26, August 5, 2024 (EDT)
::The Atomic Boo from ''Thousand-Year Door'' ''is'' supposed to be a Big Boo, considering the original Japanese name of Big Boo is "Atomic Teresa" - and that just so happens to be Atomic Boo's Japanese name as well. Considering ''The Thousand-Year Door'' is the ONLY game a Big Boo is confirmed to be made up of several smaller Boos (since that never happened in ''Super Mario World'' at all), this is kind of a weird argument to make, since this isn't supposed to be a common Atomic Boo trait at all (see ''Super Paper Mario'')... and kind of implies that [[Boolossus]] would be an "Atomic Boo" instead? Given that King Boo is big, it does make sense to think that King Boo is a Big Boo... and since Atomic Boo is pretty much an alternate translation for the same enemy as Big Boo, that does technically mean King Boo is an Atomic Boo? I just don't know why the IP insists that King Boo is specifically an Atomic Boo instead of just a Big Boo, since the latter name is a much more common term for the same enemy; not to mention that the game a Big Boo first was named Atomic Boo came ''after'' King Boo's debut appearance, and a certain other King Boo we'll talk about later, to boot.<br>A much ''better'' argument against this is right in the first Luigi's Mansion game, in which King Boo is not quite big at all. [[:File:King Boo Bowser Fight2.png|Here]], for instance, he's shown to be about the same size as a regular-sized Boo. King Boo only became big ever since ''Mario Kart: Double Dash'', and internal data for a prototype release alludes that this was initially supposed to be [[Big Boo (character)|the King Boo from ''Super Mario Sunshine'']] (explaining the different appearance compared to LM!King Boo, and the similar crown to that of SMS!King Boo), who happens to be much larger than the King Boo from ''Luigi's Mansion''. {{User:Arend/sig}} 14:32, August 5, 2024 (EDT)
:::Actually, King Boo's size is wildly inconsistent across games. You have appearances like ''[[:File:King Boo golf cameo.jpg|Mario Golf: World Tour]]'' where he's massively larger than regular characters. But you also have games like ''[[:File:M&L Paper Jam King Boo.png|Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'' or ''[[:File:MPS Horror Land King Boo.png|Mario Party Superstars]]'' where he's definitely a bit taller than Mario or Luigi. And finally, we have appearances like in ''[[:File:MKDD Thanks For Playing.png|Mario Kart: Double Dash!!]]'', ''[[:File:MSS Baby Luigi against Yoshi.png|Mario Superstar Baseball]]'', ''[[:File:Red Yoshi and King Boo in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.jpg|Mario Kart 8 Deluxe]]'' where he's seen to hardly be taller than the likes of Wario or Yoshi. The only thing consistent about King Boo's size is that he's often portrayed as larger than a regular Boo. But where do we draw the line between a bigger Boo, and a Big Boo? [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 19:56, August 5, 2024 (EDT)

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