Editing Talk:Johnson (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)

I know he haves a name and all... but don't 'ya thinks he's perhap a bit too minor to have an article? All he do is get mentioned by [[Lord Crump]] at the beggining of PM: TTYD. He doesn't have any characteristic that separate him from the average X-Naut , no plot involvement and you don't fight him in battle. All the above also applies to [[Johnson (Koopa)]]. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 18:10, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:I agree. He doesn't even say ANYTHING. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
::Yeah, he's so minor that he was [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=List_of_Implied_Characters&diff=prev&oldid=327005 even added to The List of Implied Characters]at one point. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 18:27, 14 February 2008 (EST)

:::But he's not implied. He has an official name and all so he deserves his own article, for now. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>

:::: While he's one of the genric X-Nauts, we don't ''really'' get to see him. [[Ashley and Red|Red]] is much more important, distinct and revalant to the game he appeared in. But he doesn't have his own article. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 20:14, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:::::I say move to List of Implied. Johnson is never actually singled out from the several-hundred X-Nauts surrounding Lord Crump in the Prologue. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 02:20, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

::::::Not everything officially named should have an article. Some are just too minor. I support a merge.{{User:Knife/sig}} 03:16, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
:For both [[Johnson (Koopa)|Johnsons]]? {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}

::The Koopa Johnson is not implied, since we can directly tell who he is. The X-Naut Johnson is implied because even though we know he looks like an ordinary X-Naut, we can never really tell which X-Naut he is. He is never separated from the other enemy X-Nauts. The only implied characters that stay as articles are ones that have high story/sub-story significance, like King Croacus (sp?) or the Chestnut King. {{User:Knife/sig}} 18:50, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Well the true. [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Ambidextria]]

I don't support a merge.  He is an officially named character.  Plus this is simply a cool article. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:The majority here supported a merge though. Isn't this the way talk page discussions are solved? Just like proposals are? {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 00:12, 20 January 2009 (EST)
::Per St00by. Nobody even commented right now, so we should have a thorough discussion about why or why not we should merge. {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}

If no one objects to the action, it can be done.  But I obviously object.  You can however call a vote and after a week, depending on the results, actions can be taken.  But there has to be an actual vote, not just discussion points. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:Then maybe we should have a poll. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 00:19, 20 January 2009 (EST)

This is supossed to be the Ultimite Mario Database so we need all Mario Information Minor or not and that includes Johnson. [[User:Mario freak]]

== Merge to Implied Characters ==
{{TPP}}
Sure he has a name, but that could have been any X-Naut there. I don't think this Johnson should have his own article. The reason the Koopa Johnson should have an article is because he was ACTUALLY seen as opposed to this Johnson who looked identical to the tons of other X-Nauts there.

'''Proposer''':{{User|Tails777}}<br>
'''Deadline''': September 19, 2011, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Tails777}} Per my proposal

===Oppose===
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} according to the articles he was given a name and appeared when lord crump called for johnson therefore he should stay
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per GS15 because that stays!
===Comments===
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-I know he haves a name and all... but don't 'ya thinks he's perhap a bit too minor to have an article? All he do is get mentioned by [[Lord Crump]] at the beggining of PM: TTYD. He doesn't have any characteristic that separate him from the average X-Naut , no plot involvement and you don't fight him in battle. All the above also applies to [[Johnson (Super Paper Mario)|Johnson (Koopa)]]. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 18:10, 14 February 2008 (EST)
+I know he haves a name and all... but don't 'ya thinks he's perhap a bit too minor to have an article? All he do is get mentioned by [[Lord Crump]] at the beggining of PM: TTYD. He doesn't have any characteristic that separate him from the average X-Naut , no plot involvement and you don't fight him in battle. All the above also applies to [[Johnson (Koopa)]]. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 18:10, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 :I agree. He doesn't even say ANYTHING. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
 ::Yeah, he's so minor that he was [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=List_of_Implied_Characters&diff=prev&oldid=327005 even added to The List of Implied Characters]at one point. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 18:27, 14 February 2008 (EST)
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 == Merge to Implied Characters ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|green|merge 10-7}}
 Sure he has a name, but that could have been any X-Naut there. I don't think this Johnson should have his own article. The reason the Koopa Johnson should have an article is because he was ACTUALLY seen as opposed to this Johnson who looked identical to the tons of other X-Nauts there.
 '''Proposer''':{{User|Tails777}}<br>
-'''Deadline''': <s>September 19, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> September 26, 2011, 23:59 GMT
+'''Deadline''': September 19, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 ===Support===
 #{{User|Tails777}} Per my proposal
-#{{User|Knife}} Per my reasons given above.
-#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all, including the pro-merge comments above the TPP.
-#{{User|Lindsay151}} Per all!
-#{{User|YoshiGo99}} Per all.
-#{{User|Bop1996}} Per all the reasons given above for merging.
-#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per the comment below by whoever wrote it - sorry for not remembering right after I read it.
-#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} Per all
-#{{User|Baconator}} Per all.
-#{{User|Nintendo64Fan}} Per all. This needs to get done!
 ===Oppose===
 #{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} according to the articles he was given a name and appeared when lord crump called for johnson therefore he should stay
-#{{User|Zero777}} Using the logic as 9-Volt's mom, he wasn't actually implied, he made an appearance.
+#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per GS15 because that stays!
-#{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} Per all.
-#{{User|Toad85}} I can't think of anything better to say, so just per Zero and GS15.
-#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} Per all.
-#{{User|Magikrazy51}} Per Mr. Shoe the Fifteenth.
-#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Though Johnson does not differ in appearance from the other X-Nauts, the fact that he has a name and is addressed indicates that he is present in the crowd, even if we can't recognize him. Therefore, he does not fit the definition of an implied character. That said, I don't think his article should have a picture of him present because nothing physically distinguishes him from other X-Nauts, as has been noted.
 ===Comments===
-Again, he could have called any X-Naut there Johnson. Plus "Johnson" never stepped up to Lord Crump. And on top of that, a couple question marks appeared over the crowd of X-Nauts, not just one. {{User|Tails777}}
-Shouldn't there be an extension on this? {{User:Tails777/sig}}
-@Mario4Ever: I don't mean to be rude in anyway when I say this (just proving a point) But which of the X-Nauts there was Johnson. Sure he has a name but we don't know which one of the tons of X-Nauts was Johnson. I understand your point of how he doesn't differ from the other X-Nauts but my point is since we don't know which in particular X-Naut is Johnson, therefore I don't think he should have his own article. {{User|Tails777}}
-:''The List of Implied Characters is a list of characters that have not physically appeared in any form of media up to this point in time.'' There's a difference between not being distinguishable from other X-Nauts and not physically appearing.  As long as he physically appears (and he does, since Crump's not talking to himself), he's not implied. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}