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== Merge with Magikoopa ==
== Merge with Magikoopa ==


{{Settled TPP}}
===Merge with Magikoopa===
{{Proposal outcome|passed|3-9-2|Merge with Magikoopa Mob}}
{{TPP}}
 
Not long ago, there was a [[mariowiki:Proposals/Archive/63#Have stricter policies for one-off generic species characters|proposal]] that tried to merge specific characters of species that didn't really make an impact. During that proposal Jerry was mentioned. I specifically think that Jerry can easily be merged with Magikoopa and have a sentence in the ''[[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]]'' section. It could easily be like this: '''Of the freed Magikoopas, one of them is named Jerry. He has an idea to present an invigorating and inspiring dance of utter joy and happiness for Bowser.'''
Not long ago, there was a [[mariowiki:Proposals/Archive/63#Have stricter policies for one-off generic species characters|proposal]] that tried to merge specific characters of species that didn't really make an impact. During that proposal Jerry was mentioned. I specifically think that Jerry can easily be merged with Magikoopa and have a sentence in the ''[[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]]'' section. It could easily be like this: '''Of the freed Magikoopas, one of them is named Jerry. He has an idea to present an invigorating and inspiring dance of utter joy and happiness for Bowser.'''


I originally voted to support the proposal mentioned, but I opposed it later on. But because this specific proposal just deals with Jerry, it won't affect much.
I originally voted to support the proposal mentioned, but I opposed it later on. But because this specific proposal just deals with Jerry, it won't affect much.


'''EDIT:''' Based on [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc Von Schmeltwick's]] suggesting for merging Jerry with [[Magikoopa Mob]], I have now added an option to merge with Magikoopa Mob.
'''EDIT:''' Based on [[User:Doc Von Schmeltwick|Doc Von Schmeltwick's]] suggesting for merging Jerry with [[Magikoopa Mob]], I have now added an option to merge with Magikoopa Mob.


'''Proposer''': {{User|Sparks}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Sparks}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT
'''Deadline''': January 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT


===Merge with Magikoopa===
====Merge with Magikoopa====
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} <s>Per proposal.</s> Secondary choice.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Swallow}} Pretty pointless article
#{{User|Swallow}} Pretty pointless article
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Literally the ''only'' thing setting him apart from the ''11'' other Magikoopas he shares a scene with is someone else using a throwaway name for him during an argument. If anything, this could be merged to [[Magikoopa Mob]], since that's the group/attack that he is part of, and ''is'' notable enough for an article.... like how we don't have individual articles for [[Hamma, Bamma, and Flare|Bamma and Flare]], who are the ''only'' members of their respective species in their game.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Literally the ''only'' thing setting him apart from the ''11'' other Magikoopas he shares a scene with is someone else using a throwaway name for him during an argument. If anything, this could be merged to [[Magikoopa Mob]], since that's the group/attack that he is part of, and ''is'' notable enough for an article.... like how we don't have individual articles for [[Hamma, Bamma, and Flare|Bamma and Flare]], who are the ''only'' members of their respective species in their game.
<s>#{{User|Sparks}} Per proposal.</s>
<s>#{{User|Sparks}} Per proposal.</s>


===Merge with Magikoopa Mob===
====Merge with Magikoopa Mob====
#{{User|Sparks}} After hearing Doc von Schmeltwick's suggestion, Magikoopa Mob makes more sense, as Jerry is part of it.
#{{User|Sparks}} After hearing Doc Von Schmeltwick's suggestion, Magikoopa Mob makes more sense, as Jerry is part of it.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Primary choice.
#{{User|Swallow}} Was thinking of this as well actually.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per what I said before. Honestly, we could merge to both, the only issue is where the redirect goes.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Changing vote, per Doc. I suppose it IS stretching the bar on the Minor NPCs policy, a discussion that may need to take place somewhere down the line.
#{{User|Blinker}} Per all
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
#{{User|Mario}} I like this option.
#{{User|TheUndescribableGhost}} Per my previous proposal and this option is the best because Jerry is part of this move.


===Do nothing===
====Do nothing====
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} These types of articles are pretty harmless imo, I don't see a need to get rid of them.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} I'm honestly not so sure if this is the right idea. The character IS officially named, and as [[MarioWiki:Minor NPCs]] states, ''"[...] the Super Mario Wiki '''encourages''' making articles on officially named minor NPCs [...]"''.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per Waluigi Time, a named character is a named character.
<del>#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} I'm honestly not so sure if this is the right idea. The character IS officially named, and as [[MarioWiki:Minor NPCs]] states, ''"[...] the Super Mario Wiki '''encourages''' making articles on officially named minor NPCs [...]"''.</del>


===Comments===
====Comments====
How will this (and future proposals) affect the notable members list on Magikoopa's infobox? Will Jerry just link to the Bowser's Inside Story section of the Magikoopa page or will he be removed completely? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:31, December 21, 2023 (EST)
How will this (and future proposals) affect the notable members list on Magikoopa's infobox? Will Jerry just link to the Bowser's Inside Story section of the Magikoopa page or will he be removed completely? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:31, December 21, 2023 (EST)
:Jerry will just link to History#Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story. That's where his information will be moved to if this proposal passes. {{User:Sparks/sig}} December 21, 2023, 18:38 (EDT)
:Jerry will just link to History#Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story. That's where his information will be moved to if this proposal passes. {{User:Sparks/sig}} December 21, 2023, 18:38 (EDT)
::That link would feel pretty pointless to have - if Jerry isn't notable enough for a page, how would he still be a "notable member"? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 19:03, December 21, 2023 (EST)
::That link would feel pretty pointless to have - if Jerry isn't notable enough for a page, how would he still be a "notable member"? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 19:03, December 21, 2023 (EST)
:::I want to compare this to [[Bravado]] and Sydney Rabbidwhacker. Sydney Rabbidwhacker looks exactly like a Bravado, and thus I didn't feel the need to make a page for him. I just mentioned in the Bravado article that he is the leader of the bandits. I can do the same thing for Jerry, and just remove his name from the notable members. {{User:Sparks/sig}} December 21, 2023, 19:16 (EDT)
:::I want to compare this to [[Bravado]] and Sydney Rabbidwhacker. Sydney Rabbidwhacker looks exactly like a Bravado, and thus I didn't feel the need to make a page for him. I just mentioned in the Bravado article that he is the leader of the bandits. I can do the same thing for Jerry, and just remove his name from the notable members. {{User:Sparks/sig}} December 21, 2023, 19:16 (EDT)
::::For what it's worth, the [[Hammer Bro]] article currently has implied characters listed, so I don't think there's any harm in keeping Jerry around. As long as the developers went out of their way to distinguish a character in some way, they may as well be listed (and let's not get hung up too much over notability since that's very subjective). --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:46, December 22, 2023 (EST)
:::::Jerry could simply link to Magikoopa Mob instead. He is specifically part of that group, so it can just mention that he is one of them. I guess we'll just have to see where this proposal goes for now. {{User:Sparks/sig}} December 22, 2023, 11:49 (EDT)
::::::If we choose to merge Jerry's article to the Magikoopa Mob, should we add information on the other Brawl Attack groups' dialogue after freeing them? [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 11:58, December 22, 2023 (EST)
:::::::That would make the most sense. Sure thing. {{User:Sparks/sig}} December 22, 2023, 12:10 (EDT)
@Archivist Toadette: [[mariowiki:Proposals/Archive/63#Have stricter policies for one-off generic species characters|Didn't that discussion just take place?]] {{User:Hewer/sig}} 05:15, December 23, 2023 (EST)
'''For those who don't know why there isn't an option to merge to both:''' It would cause linking issues. Jerry would have to link to one or the other. That's why if there is only one option to merge Jerry to, it would not disrupt much, and therefore won't cause any confusion whatsoever. {{User:Sparks/sig}} December 24, 2023, 14:16 (EDT)

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