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==Merge with [[Frost Piranha]]== | ==Merge with [[Frost Piranha]]== | ||
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Basically, see the above discussions. They are both ice-breathing Piranha Plants with the same name in Japanese, and with Mario Portal coming out last summer, in English as well. (There were other names on this article for 3 other languages but I had removed them since they were unsourced, and for all we know this creature was never named in-game.) With SSBU only listing "Frost Piranha" in its bio, while certifying other previously-tenuous splits such as [[Petea Piranha]] from [[Petey Piranha]], that should give us a good idea that they are the same thing. Yes, Smash did fail to mention things such as [[Tane Pakkun]], but the things it excluded are one-offs from obscure +20-year-old games that rarely garner attention; this creature was featured in [[Fuzzy Clifftop|a level]] in a mainline Mario game (and in the YoL remake in [[Broozers and Barrels|another level]] as one of the only two enemies in said level), so it would be pretty weird for Smash to leave it out. | Basically, see the above discussions. They are both ice-breathing Piranha Plants with the same name in Japanese, and with Mario Portal coming out last summer, in English as well. (There were other names on this article for 3 other languages but I had removed them since they were unsourced, and for all we know this creature was never named in-game.) With SSBU only listing "Frost Piranha" in its bio, while certifying other previously-tenuous splits such as [[Petea Piranha]] from [[Petey Piranha]], that should give us a good idea that they are the same thing. Yes, Smash did fail to mention things such as [[Tane Pakkun]], but the things it excluded are one-offs from obscure +20-year-old games that rarely garner attention; this creature was featured in [[Fuzzy Clifftop|a level]] in a mainline Mario game (and in the YoL remake in [[Broozers and Barrels|another level]] as one of the only two enemies in said level), so it would be pretty weird for Smash to leave it out. | ||
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::::::::From a personal standpoint, I'd actually support the idea of splitting the ''Partners in Time'' versions of the Fire Flower and Ice Flower; neither transform the user into the corresponding form, the Fire Flower is even named the Bros. Flower (something that is retained across all languages) and while both offer similar abilities, the Ice Flower ability lowers stats rather than freezing the target. However, that's just me and I don't see such an idea gaining much support. Beyond that, however, the Ice Flowers of ''Galaxy'' and ''New Super Mario Bros.'' titles both transform Mario into Ice Mario, with the Ice Mario of ''Galaxy'' having it's own article anyway. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | ::::::::From a personal standpoint, I'd actually support the idea of splitting the ''Partners in Time'' versions of the Fire Flower and Ice Flower; neither transform the user into the corresponding form, the Fire Flower is even named the Bros. Flower (something that is retained across all languages) and while both offer similar abilities, the Ice Flower ability lowers stats rather than freezing the target. However, that's just me and I don't see such an idea gaining much support. Beyond that, however, the Ice Flowers of ''Galaxy'' and ''New Super Mario Bros.'' titles both transform Mario into Ice Mario, with the Ice Mario of ''Galaxy'' having it's own article anyway. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | ||
:::::::::The two Ice Marios is a bit of a different beast and might be its own can of worms, for the differences between Galaxy Ice Mario and NSMB Ice Mario are more substantial than those between Paper Mario Frost Piranha and NSMBU Frost Piranha (at least, to me); for one, while the only visual differences between the two Frost Piranhas is essentially the head color (although older PM titles had the stem and tongue colored differently too), NSMB's Ice Mario is essentially a Fire Mario palette swap, while Galaxy's Ice Mario is ''entirely'' made of ice. Moreover, while both Frost Piranhas and the NSMB Ice Mario have ice attacks, Galaxy's Ice Mario's powers are more passive comparatively, creating an ice platform on liquids by walking or jumping on them, allowing for easier traversal. What doesn't really make things better here is that unlike the Frost Piranha Plants (where one type exclusively appeared in the first three Paper Mario games, which took creative liberty on appearances and attacks compared to the mainline games), both types of Ice Mario debuted in (more recent and streamlined) mainline titles as well and have appeared in recent spinoff titles, creating even more confusion on whether or not they're supposed to be the same thing compared to the Frost Piranhas, I feel. {{User:Arend/sig}} 11:54, May 8, 2023 (EDT) | :::::::::The two Ice Marios is a bit of a different beast and might be its own can of worms, for the differences between Galaxy Ice Mario and NSMB Ice Mario are more substantial than those between Paper Mario Frost Piranha and NSMBU Frost Piranha (at least, to me); for one, while the only visual differences between the two Frost Piranhas is essentially the head color (although older PM titles had the stem and tongue colored differently too), NSMB's Ice Mario is essentially a Fire Mario palette swap, while Galaxy's Ice Mario is ''entirely'' made of ice. Moreover, while both Frost Piranhas and the NSMB Ice Mario have ice attacks, Galaxy's Ice Mario's powers are more passive comparatively, creating an ice platform on liquids by walking or jumping on them, allowing for easier traversal. What doesn't really make things better here is that unlike the Frost Piranha Plants (where one type exclusively appeared in the first three Paper Mario games, which took creative liberty on appearances and attacks compared to the mainline games), both types of Ice Mario debuted in (more recent and streamlined) mainline titles as well and have appeared in recent spinoff titles, creating even more confusion on whether or not they're supposed to be the same thing compared to the Frost Piranhas, I feel. {{User:Arend/sig}} 11:54, May 8, 2023 (EDT) | ||
