Editing Talk:Ice Block

<blockquote>In ''[[Super Mario World]]'', they can be picked up and will also disappear after a short time.</blockquote> Actually they're called [[Grab Block]]s in ''SMW'' (see page 22 of the [http://www.replacementdocs.com/e107_files/downloads/Super_Mario_World_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf manual]). I also don't think they have anything to do with the actual Ice Blocks from ''SMB3'', ''Yoshi's Island'', and the other games mentioned in the article. So I suggest to remove the ''SMW'' info, unless those blocks are referred to as Ice Blocks anywhere. Opinions? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 17:31, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

== Grab Blocks ==

Given their Japanese name indicating they're frozen (ブルブルブロック, ''shivering/freezing block''), and the fact that it acts almost identically to the iced blocks from ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' except they're no longer slippery, do they really belong as a separate article? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:15, 9 October 2014 (EDT)

== Ice Block vs. Ice Chunk ==
Should we split out the Ice Chunks from NSMBU; more specifically, the ones from Piranha Plants on Ice? My thought is just that because Ice Chunks are affected by gravity whereas Ice Blocks aren't, maybe they're being considered different objects. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 02:31, April 23, 2020 (EDT)

== Split Ice Chunk from this article ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0|split}}
I'm specifically referring to the large blocks in [[Piranha Plants on Ice]] from ''[[New Super Mario Bros. U]]''.

Unlike Ice Blocks, which usually function as simple platforms, Ice Chunks are much larger and have different properties, which is enough to warrant a split.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' June 28, 2020, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
#{{User|DarkNight}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Duckfan77}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Alex95}} - Per proposal.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
How about the sliding ones from SM64? The prioritization of this article is screwy to begin with, but this seems an odd choice to split first IMO. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:55, June 14, 2020 (EDT)
:This is probably supposed to be a miscellaneous object instead of a block, but I'm not sure if they're the same thing in both games given the different function and appearance - in ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'', the ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' one is named 「氷カベ」 (''Kōri Kabe'', "Ice Wall") on page 150, whereas the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' one (the one called Ice Chunk) is named 「氷のかたまり」 (''Kōri no Katamari'', "Ice Bundle", incidentally named after the metal crate that can also crush the player) on page 215. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:06, June 14, 2020 (EDT)
::Changed accordingly. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 14:25, June 14, 2020 (EDT)

Are they actually called Ice Chunks? I'm not seeing anything other than "Ice" or "Ice Block". {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:37, June 19, 2020 (EDT)
:Yes, in the NSMBU Prima guide (pages 74 and 75). {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:38, June 19, 2020 (EDT)
::Should be added when the page is split, then. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:40, June 19, 2020 (EDT)

== separate the ice block(yoshi wolly world) from the normal ice block ==

Why are they both in the same article?
They have a behavior that differs greatly from each other since while the normal block of the franchise is an obstacle and part of the environment, that of Yoshi Wolly World seems to be a conscious entity that tends to follow movement patterns and they also have a giant variant, I think they should separate, [https://youtu.be/HZ4A1ns2nGQ?t=51 Here is an example of his movement] [[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]])
:Oh hi! I wrote that section. The block appears earlier in the game in [[Duplicitous Delve]] in a non-icy, non-rolling version. The ice blocks you mention should be on the page of that block but that block doesn't have a page. The [[Snifberg the Unfeeling's Castle]] ones has to go somewhere on the wiki and I wasn't feeling like making a new page, so they wound up here. If the page for "block with teeth and button eyes" (That's not its name but I do need a descriptor) starts existing, feel free to move it over there. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 13:49, February 2, 2025 (EST)

== Split {{fake link|Ice Block(Enemy/obstacle)}} from this page ==

{{settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|4-1-0|Make Ice Block(Enemy) Page}}
In Yoshis Wolly World There is an enemy an enemy that works very differently than the normal ice block take a look [https://youtu.be/HZ4A1ns2nGQ?t=50 the small sized variant] [https://youtu.be/HZ4A1ns2nGQ?t=183 the medium sized variant][https://youtu.be/HZ4A1ns2nGQ?t=127 the giant variant], As you can see, it is different enough to separate it. 

Now I will explain why I think it is an enemy: 
1. It has eyes and a mouth, and although these are made of buttons and wool, that is how most of the enemies in the game are
2. When they fall from a considerable height, they shake from the impact, unlike when the same thing happens with other blocks that function as obstacles
3. Although they are not mentioned in the Theater Scapbook, they are not the only enemy with these characteristics, see the [[Shell Patch]] for the Wii U version or also [[Big Frame Boo]]
4. We have similar enemies like [[Tox Box]], which although it also has eyes and a mouth does not directly show that it is alive at any time
5. Lastly, its movement pattern shows that it knows what it is doing, following certain routes or moving in a specific place.

Well those were my reasons why I think he is an enemy, however if you still don't believe it you can still vote for Ice Block(Obstacle)

'''Proposer''': {{User|Sorbetti}}<br>
'''Deadline''': <s>March 22, 2025, 23:59 GMT</s> Extended to March 29, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Create Ice Block(Enemy) Page(Support)===
#{{User|Sorbetti}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} To be honest, the state of the ''YWW'' section as a whole leaves a lot to be desired; it's half discussing actual, literal ice blocks in the level terrain, and half describing these faced block enemies that sometimes roll around [[Tox Box]] style, sometimes shift around, and sometimes aren't even ice as the comments pointed out, and does a pretty poor job of describing both of them... While still somehow taking up '''8 whole paragraphs''' (9 if we count one that is a single sentence!) This is long overdue for a split-and-trim.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} They're clearly distinct from regular ice blocks, which should warrant them an article, and since they're pretty much [[Tox Box]]-like and Tox Boxes are considered enemies, I would consider them enemies as well.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.

<s>#{{User|Arend}} Secondary option. To be fair, similar things such as [[Tox Box]]es are also considered enemies despite their faces also being static.</s>

===Create Ice Block(Obstacle) Page(Support)===
#{{User|Arend}} Aside from the fact that we have no official name of this thing (yet), I think we might as well create an article of these, as well as their non-icy, sliding cousins from the [[Duplicitous Delve]] level. I'm picking this as my primary option because the faces on both the ice blocks and the sliding blocks seem way too static to imply they're live creatures (really, only their button eyes shake a little when they land or bump into something), and the [[Scrapbook Theater]] makes no mention on any of the blocks, either.
===Keep Merged(Oposse)===

===Comments===
This is going to be my last proposal page until the other 3 are finished and implemented.--[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 14:35, March 8, 2025 (EST)

The enemy/obstacle aspect can be slightly sidestepped if a more unique name is used, as it's generally better for conjecturally-named articles to avoid identifiers where possible. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:40, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:He is referred to as "Ice Block" only, that's why he is fused with Ice Block.--[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 14:43, March 8, 2025 (EST)
::I would like to know his internal name, with that we would have a clearer idea--[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 14:47, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:::I'm not familiar enough with the format used in ''Woolly World''. Last I checked, it looked too utilitarian to be usable. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:50, March 8, 2025 (EST)
::Question: ''WHERE'' does the "Ice Block" name come from? as I mentioned [[Talk:Yoshi's Woolly World#Create The Ice Block(Enemy) Page|on the YWW talk]], this obstacle is not featured in [[Scrapbook Theater]], so it cannot come from there. Also, as Salmencer mentioned in [[#separate the ice block(yoshi wolly world) from the normal ice block|the section above]], there [https://youtu.be/2KG6dnjc6D8?t=323 does exist a non-icy, non-rolling version] of this block in the colors blue, [https://youtu.be/2KG6dnjc6D8?t=383 and later red], in [[Duplicitous Delve]]; wouldn't the ice block be a variant of these ones that are better covered in such a page like that, or at the very least mention it is a rolling variant of these red-or-blue sliding blocks? {{User:Arend/sig}} 15:40, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:::These blocks should also have their own articles, however, although they are similar, you only have to see the examples I showed you to know that these are made of ice, and yes, they should be variants. The name is mentioned, I think, in the Japanese guide of the game, but I can't find it.--[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 15:48, March 8, 2025 (EST)
::::If you ask me, the blue and red variants function more as platforms than enemies, however the ice ones are used as enemies following the same pattern as tox boxes, and for everything explained above--[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 15:53, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:::::Lastly, though perhaps not very important, those Delve Duplicios blocks do not have the shaking that the 5-8 Ice Blocks have.--[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 15:59, March 8, 2025 (EST)
::::At least there's a lead; if someone can track down that guide (and confirm it's officially licensed), and confirm the name of the ice blocks, then we should be golden. Also yeah, I know they're different-looking, I've did some research on the ice blocks when we discussed this matter on the YWW page; I've been asking since Salmencer suggested this in the section above. Besides, the [[Cascading Stone]] similarly has a sliding variant known as Sliding Stone in ''[[Yoshi's Island DS]]'', which is covered on the same page as well (although in that case, the stone blocks appear identical). Also, the fact that their static faces are still identical corroborates to my statement that the ice blocks are obstacles (and so are the sliding blocks; there are points where Yoshi could get squashed inbetween two of them (and yes, their eye buttons DO shake in the exact same manner as the ice blocks' eyes when they collide (which, again, does NOT indicate they're alive: it's just the impact from the ice blocks landing and rolling); look closely at the footage of the video I linked)). {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:02, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:::::You got the wrong shaking, both blocks move their eyes, the blue and red ones when they hit something, and the ice ones when they move, however the shaking I am referring to is this [https://youtu.be/HZ4A1ns2nGQ?t=22 one][[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 16:11, March 8, 2025 (EST)
::::::The ice blocks still appear to only move their eyes when they land after rolling (although less so when landing on their sides). Aside from that, the ''only'' movement I can see is the lighting on their eyes changing as they roll, but that's not an indication they're alive either, that's just light being realistic. {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:29, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:::::::look closely, is when they fall from very high places[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 16:37, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:::::::I think both are alive, only one has the characteristics of a platform/obstacle, while the ice one acts and attacks like an enemy.<br>I wish I could see the Japanese Guide--[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 16:31, March 8, 2025 (EST)
::::::::Let's agree to disagree for now. After all, this proposal isn't about determining whether the ice blocks are obstacles or enemies.<br>As for guides, when I look for a particular guide, I try to search of it on Archive.org, whether someone has uploaded it (that's how I found [https://archive.org/details/yoshiislandshogakukan this Shogakukan guide for ''Yoshi's Island'']); but [https://archive.org/search?query=yoshi+woolly+world I got no dice for Woolly World], unfortunately. {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:40, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:::::::::Just wanted to say that this isn't "''the''" Shogakukan guide, but it does seem be <s>co-</s>written <s>by Kadokawa and</s> Shogakukan with Nintendo supervision. Interesting! [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:04, March 8, 2025 (EST)
::::::::::I already found this find interesting due to some alternate names used for [[Froggy|Prince Froggy]] and [[Cheep Cheep|Piscatory Pete]], and even cleaner artwork (including a never-before-seen one from [[Fat Guy]]). It even has some tips displayed in comic panels, in which [https://ia600302.us.archive.org/20/items/yoshiislandshogakukan/110-111.jpg the brown Yoshi is displayed as actually brown], rather than orange like the manual. {{User:Arend/sig}} 19:38, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:::::::::::Not only that, but it also contains [[Bowling Goonie#Internal names|Debu Ahō Mushi]] and the [[Ball and chain (windup)#Names in other languages|Tekkyū]]/[[Spiked weight#Names in other languages|Makiage]] divide. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 05:51, March 9, 2025 (EDT)
:::::::::This is the [https://gonintendo.com/archives/252297-poochy-and-yoshi-s-woolly-world-official-japanese-guide-details Guide], If you don't find him to be an enemy, you can still vote in the option below for Ice Block(Osbtacle) as long as you give a sustainable argument--[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 16:56, March 8, 2025 (EST)
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	<blockquote>In ''[[Super Mario World]]'', they can be picked up and will also disappear after a short time.</blockquote> Actually they're called [[Grab Block]]s in ''SMW'' (see page 22 of the [http://www.replacementdocs.com/e107_files/downloads/Super_Mario_World_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf manual]). I also don't think they have anything to do with the actual Ice Blocks from ''SMB3'', ''Yoshi's Island'', and the other games mentioned in the article. So I suggest to remove the ''SMW'' info, unless those blocks are referred to as Ice Blocks anywhere. Opinions? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 17:31, 28 May 2008 (EDT)		<blockquote>In ''[[Super Mario World]]'', they can be picked up and will also disappear after a short time.</blockquote> Actually they're called [[Grab Block]]s in ''SMW'' (see page 22 of the [http://www.replacementdocs.com/e107_files/downloads/Super_Mario_World_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf manual]). I also don't think they have anything to do with the actual Ice Blocks from ''SMB3'', ''Yoshi's Island'', and the other games mentioned in the article. So I suggest to remove the ''SMW'' info, unless those blocks are referred to as Ice Blocks anywhere. Opinions? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 17:31, 28 May 2008 (EDT)