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| ==Create Pages for Deku Baba and Rupee== | | ==Create Pages for Deku Baba and Rupee== |
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| Okay, I know this is Zelda stuff, but it appears in a mario game, and is not a minor cameo, they are ITEMS and obstacles. Under Mariowiki guidlines the things says crossovers get full coverage. I believe the Mario Kart 8 dlc is by FAR a cross over, and therefor these pages should be created. And that they're important. But Mario Wiki guidlines first. | | Okay, I know this is Zelda stuff, but it appears in a mario game, and is not a minor cameo, they are ITEMS and obstacles. Under Mariowiki guidlines the things says crossovers get full coverage. I believe the Mario Kart 8 dlc is by FAR a cross over, and therefor these pages should be created. And that they're important. But Mario Wiki guidlines first. |
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| :::::I Thought Keese was too minor. It doesn't effect gameplay. Also Hylian Gaurd, which acts like Toads, where left out for same reason.[[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 19:43, 15 November 2014 (EST) | | :::::I Thought Keese was too minor. It doesn't effect gameplay. Also Hylian Gaurd, which acts like Toads, where left out for same reason.[[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 19:43, 15 November 2014 (EST) |
| ::::::I can confirm by playing both Wario's Gold Mine and Hyrule Circuit that despite getting in your way in Wii, they couldn't even touch you because they fly too high; the same would go for the Keese as well. So they are reskins but that anyways do nothing to affect the racers. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}} | | ::::::I can confirm by playing both Wario's Gold Mine and Hyrule Circuit that despite getting in your way in Wii, they couldn't even touch you because they fly too high; the same would go for the Keese as well. So they are reskins but that anyways do nothing to affect the racers. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}} |
| :::::::Actually, both on Wario's Gold Mine and Hyrule Circuit can you run into them.--[[User:Weebbby|Weebbby]] ([[User talk:Weebbby|talk]]) 17:14, 11 April 2015 (EDT)
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| == Create pages for the Zelda elements, take II ==
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|9-2|create articles}}
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| Most ''Legend of Zelda''-specific elements appearing on this course fall in the same register as [[Link]] and other non-''Mario'' subjects we have pages for: they appear in a ''Mario'' game and serve a clear-cut gameplay function. Them being virtually identical gameplay-wise to other concepts from the same title, like Piranha Plants, Swoops, and Coins, doesn't pose as a setback; a [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/55#Merge Game Boy Donkey Kong enemy variations / Split Wario World enemy variations|passed proposal]] already endorses their separation on the basis of distinct appearances and names. Need I also remind of [[Raving Piranha Plant]]s?
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| To address a prominent counterpoint brought about in the previous discussion, I don't think these elements are comparable to what the wiki outlines as guest appearances. ''[[NBA Street V3]]'', ''[[SSX on Tour]]'' and ''[[Punch Out!!]]'' are non-''Mario'' games featuring ''Mario'' characters, and we only cover these games to the extent of said ''Mario'' content; the Hyrule Circuit situation is a complete turnaround of that, where a full-on ''Mario'' game features non-''Mario'' concepts. The argument that the game needs to have at least "4 more exclusively Link cups" to be considered a crossover and make its Zelda concepts worth covering is arbitrary and irrelevant: Hyrule Circuit being covered here already pushes back on that notion.
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| With all of the above said, the proposal's primary aim is to allow creation of articles for [[Deku Baba]], [[Keese]], and [[Rupee]]. The proposal was set up here to directly reappraise the points in the above discussion, but if it passes, similar subjects from the [[Animal Crossing]] course such as [[Snowboy]] and Bell will also be affected by it.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Koopa con Carne}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': August 5, 2021, 23:59 GMT
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| ====Support====
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| #{{User|Koopa con Carne}} per proposal.
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| #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Appears in a Mario game, has a unique appearance and a unique name. Yeah they behave identically to things in the base game but it wouldn't be the first time we had separate articles for subjects that behaved the same but were clearly different.
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| #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Rupees, Keese, and Deku Babas are all named interactive elements in a ''Mario''-labeled and -centric game. What more could we ask for? This has always bothered me.
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| #{{User|Hewer}} Per all. This is inconsistent with our other crossover coverage and why it wasn't already this way is confusing to me.
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| #{{User|Tails777}} I agree with this completely. Per proposal!
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| #{{User|Ray Trace}} Per all. I say enemies that appear in Mario titles are more relevant to Mario than Smash characters and items generally are, so they do deserve a page. We also have an article on [[Malboro]] from Mario Hoops and [[Behemoth]] from Mario Sports Mix anyway.
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| #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Even if they are reskins, they still make an appearance in a Mario crossover and therefore warrant articles of their own. Per all.
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| #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
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| ====Oppose====
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| #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} I still stand by my oppose years ago. Due to their relationship being wholly dependent on the courses they're on as well as being glorified reskins that don't offer differences from their source assets, I see little utility in splitting articles that'll result in duplicate content, redundant with at least two pages (e.g. Deku Baba, on top of not even being a Mario character, won't have anything more than duplicate content from Piranha Plant and Hyrule Circuit). I also don't support a separate article for the likes of Raving Piranha Plant and Bouncing Note (as well as examples that Ray Trace provided) for similar reasons. If these assets do appear in later Mario games (and not ''Smash Bros.'' but I mean ''Mario'' games as discussions revolving Smash Bros. coverage is recently quite contentious here), then an article should be made. If this proposal passes, we'll get a lot of useless tiny articles like Bell (I mean a short statement: "Coins are replaced by Bells." is completely fine, why make an article on Bells that just reiterates that), Fruit, Snowboy, and so on, which have zero relevance to the Mario games. I don't think we're required to cover every single interactable in a guest series course just by being distinct.
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| #{{User|Keyblade Master}} I'm not sure if there is any other Mario-related media these things appear in, but in this case they are basically just reskins to adapt to this course being based off Zelda.
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| @Bazooka Mario: The problem with that is we do already give individual course obstacles their own pages, so opposing more on the basis of "I don't want these specifically" is inconsistent and doesn't really hold up unless you plan on creating a proposal to get rid of all of them later. Also, why should a subject have to appear in multiple games before getting an article? And saying that they have "zero relevance to the Mario games" is completely false when the only reason we're considering making these articles is because they ''do'' appear in a Mario game. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 20:23, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Hence I noted in my oppose, I don't support Bouncing Note or Raving Piranha Plants having their own pages, and have opposed them years ago. And if they do appear in multiple games, then that means you can actually have an article that notes more appearances, so the content wouldn't be entirely redundant. "Bell appears in Mario Kart 8 as a coin item, subsequently appears in a follow-up Animal Crossing course also as a coin item." It's only barely justifiable but still is useful to encompass several appearances like that. But self-contained in exactly one course where one line of text "this replaces coins" suffices? Not really. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:44, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
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| I'm torn on this one. While splitting these things based on the fact that they are interactive items and species in a legit ''Mario'' game (as opposed to ''Smash'' or something) is sound logic, the fact that they are reskins of regular ''Mario'' elements that appear in the game exclusive to a crossover stage makes me a bit reluctant to throw my hat in the ring. For the record, merging reskins even outside of crossovers isn't unprecedented. See, for instance, the post-[[Special Zone]] enemy reskins in ''SMW'' such as Mask Koopas and Pidgit Bills. Should we split those too? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:35, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Pidgit Bills make a cameo in Super Princess Peach's endings, I think they at least ought to. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:50, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
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