Editing Talk:Human

Seeing as there is a category for Toads and Koopas, should there also be a category for humans? [[User:Almighty Rajah|Almighty Rajah]] 21:56, 21 August 2006 (EDT)
:I think that's fair game. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 23:22, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

Whoa! is Il Piantissimo a HUMAN? (He's a pianta!) [[User:Super Mario 256|Super Mario 256]] 21:07, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

He looks Human, the Pianta portions of his body just look like costumes parts, a bucket helmet, oven mitt hands, etc. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sr Grodus]]

Dang that guy looks like the running dude from Zelda.. maybe there the same people..... showoff.
[[User:Pal101]]o

== Evolution ==

Is it ok to remove that line about humans evolving from apes? It is not mentioned in any Mario game, thus is irrelevent here, and it may offend people of certian religions. [[User:Waluigi Fan|Waluigi Fan]] 00:24, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

-Evolution's a major part of the live-action film, so I guess that's why it's mentioned. [[User:DrFurball|DrFurball]] 01:23, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

==Mario party 8==
In Mario Party 8 the humans are Miis! [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]]

==Notable Humans==
Do we really need this list? It includes almost all the humans that are in the [[Template:Human|template]] anyway. We could limit it to the really notable humans; but who is notable enough? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 15:03, 20 February 2008 (EST)
:Other species pages have the same lists. Maybe we could remove the "notable", but the list should stay. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:22, 20 February 2008 (EST)
::With all the humans that are in the template? Seems redundant to me... (Yeah, other species also have those lists, but they usually don't have such a template..?) {{User:Time Q/sig}} 15:26, 20 February 2008 (EST)

== Picture ==

I've noticed that we're using a picture of Mario to represent humans. I guess that's okay, but since some species articles show more than one, maybe we should do that. For example, we could use a picture of Mario and Luigi, like [[:Image:Mario luigi jump.jpg]]. Or maybe there's a different picture of a few humans, like Mario, Luigi, and Princess Peach, which we could use. Anyone else think that's a good idea? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 13:31, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

:I think either could work. I don't think there are any rules about whether or not species articles should have multiple members of that species in their picture; for instance, [[Goomba]]'s image just shows one Goomba. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}}
::Like Yellow said, we sometimes have a generic member of the species.  In the case of humans, generic humans can be found in the DiC animated cartoon series.  I believe the comic Super Mario Adventures has a panel featuring Mario, Luigi, and the Salesman (can't remember his name), all of whom are humans.  Whatever we do, we gotta make sure that we mention the source of the picture so that it doesn't seem like this is how all generic humans look in the Marioverse. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:22, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
:::Okay, so should it say something like "Mario, a human in the Marioverse"? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 14:55, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
::Oh, looks like someone found a better picture. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 15:03, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that was me. :) I forgot to mention it here. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:10, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

== Il Piantisimo ==

Or whatever his name is... he's actually a human.  His face was revealed through hacking.  It was a modified version of a Hylian from the Legend of Zelda series (Hylians are the Hyrule equivilent of humans) {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:20, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

== Why a redirect? ==

The article was replaced by a redirect to the category Humans because it only included a list of humans. I actually think that nothing was wrong with it, as [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Human&oldid=737846 the article] also stated what humans are and didn't just list them. Plus, many articles link to it. Any opinions? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 13:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. Humans are a species, and the article actually described them in detail. I don't see why it was redirected to the template. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
::I reverted the last edit. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Princess Peach ==

I've always viewed her as a Toad who just happens to look Human for some weird reason. --[[User:MithrandirOlorin|MithrandirOlorin]] 08:53, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

== Cleanup ==

The notable humans section is useless, it literally lists every human in the series. Permission to clean it up? --[[File:MPDS Yoshi Sprite.png|30px]] '''[[User:SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:orange>Super</span>]][[User talk:SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:orange>Yoshi</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:orange>Bros</span>]]''' [[File:MPDS Yoshi Sprite.png|30px]] 21:24, 9 February 2013 (EST)

:A lot, if not all of that list is covered by {{tem|Human}}. So if the entire list is on that template, then I see the list as redundant.

:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 21:32, 9 February 2013 (EST)

::So, should I clean it up and leave only notable characters then? (Mario, Luigi, Peach, and the likes of them) --[[File:MPDS Yoshi Sprite.png|30px]] '''[[User:SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:orange>Super</span>]][[User talk:SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:orange>Yoshi</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:orange>Bros</span>]]''' [[File:MPDS Yoshi Sprite.png|30px]] 21:33, 9 February 2013 (EST)

Sure.

{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 21:36, 9 February 2013 (EST)

I'll point out that deciding which humans are notable and which humans aren't can be a very subjective process, especially if it's only being handled by one user. [[User:GreenDisaster|GreenDisaster]] ([[User talk:GreenDisaster|talk]]) 21:50, 9 February 2013 (EST)

:I'd prefer to get rid of the list entirely, TBH.

:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 21:52, 9 February 2013 (EST)

::It's honestly what I prefer too, but perhaps a proposal would best decide what to do. [[User:GreenDisaster|GreenDisaster]] ([[User talk:GreenDisaster|talk]]) 21:53, 9 February 2013 (EST)

How's the list now? --[[File:MPDS Yoshi Sprite.png|30px]] '''[[User:SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:orange>Super</span>]][[User talk:SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:orange>Yoshi</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:orange>Bros</span>]]''' [[File:MPDS Yoshi Sprite.png|30px]] 21:56, 9 February 2013 (EST)

It's better. GreenDisaster: did you want to make the proposal, or should I do it?

{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 21:58, 9 February 2013 (EST)

:I'm a bit rusty. You can go ahead and make it. [[User:GreenDisaster|GreenDisaster]] ([[User talk:GreenDisaster|talk]]) 22:00, 9 February 2013 (EST)

== Proposal: removing "Notable Members" section on article ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|green|remove 13-0}}
I think the section "Notable Members" should be removed because, as discussed above, user's opinions of which members are notable can vary, and there is already a brief list of Notable Members in the infobox. 

'''Proposer:''' {{User|YoshiKong}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' February 24, 2013, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|YoshiKong}} Per proposal and the comments in the above section.
#{{User|ThePremiumYoshi}} - Per proposal.
#{{User|GreenDisaster}} Per.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Turboo}} - Per proposal.
#{{User|BowserJunior}} Per all.
#{{User|Prince Ludwig}} We would've agreed even without the TPP. Per YoshiKong.
#{{User|Aokage}} Per all.
#{{User|Freakworld}} Per all.
#{{User|King Pikante}} I don't see why we should have a list of notable humans section. It's just useless and users would bicker all the time who was and wasnt important. They are all important, and it would cause confusion to the reader. All of the humans are notable. There is just too many opinions on who is notable and who isn't. Section is useless. Period.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per YoshiKong. The six-entry infobox list is enough for the whole page.
#{{User|Tails777}} Per all
#{{user|NewSMBU}} – Per KP.

====Oppose====

====Comments====

==Kongs==
Aren't [[Kong|Kongs]] a related species?[[User:Rpg gamer|RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!!]] ([[User talk:Rpg gamer|talk]]) 11:55, 26 March 2013 (EDT)

== Lacking ==

I feel this page is sonewhat lacking in content if compared to other species pages like Toad. What about their games appearances ? I would update it myself, but I never played them. [[Special:Contributions/191.128.187.29|191.128.187.29]] 22:35, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

== Notable members ==

We could add that list, but it'd probably take an insane amount of time [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] ([[User talk:MarioLover54|talk]]) 09:53, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

:I'm pretty sure we don't actually need that, though. Also, ''please stop necroing old discussions''. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 09:58, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

== Delete page ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|15-0|delete}}
This page is not dissimilar to [[Talk:Elephant#Delete this page|Elephant]], [[Talk:Dragon#Banish this article to the fiery depths|Dragon]], [[Talk:Giraffe#Delete this page|Giraffe]], [[Goat]] before [[Special:Diff/2504660|its clean-up]], and other pages that have been put down for being too generic to hold any valuable information beyond "here's a list of mario characters who are an elephant/dragon/cat". The lead section of "Human" mostly subsists on information about [[Metro Kingdom]] denizens and a couple other scant, unrelated and generic appearances of humans in the Mario universe. For instance, the page notes a particular depiction of skeletal human remains in ''Donkey Kong 64'' where they serve as nothing more than portending stage props which do not play a functional role in the gameplay. ''No subject can get any more generic than that''. We might as well write about the impaled skulls in the jungle stages of ''Donkey Kong Country 2''.

Moving on, we have the "Species" section. While admittedly informative and a bit more coherent in its presentation of Mario-franchise humans, it merely expands on a generic categorization of certain Mario characters. It's like if we made a page for rodents where we just state comparisons between [[Little Mouser]]s, [[Scaredy Rat]]s, [[Neek]]s etc. I feel like the sourced information can find its way on related pages such as [[Mario]], and statements such as how humans in ''Mario'' sports games follow a more anime-ish design compared to [[New Donker]]s (who aren't even confirmed to be actual ''Homo sapiens'') can be removed entirely since the connection between the two subjects stretches far too wide.

Other than the aforementioned, as well as a redundant infobox listing which is already covered by a navigation template, I don't see how this page has anything going for it and how we can reasonably expand on the subject of humans in the ''Mario'' franchise without repeating the mistakes presented here. I propose that this curious survivor of the Great Generic Subject Purge of 2017-2018 join the pile in the mass grave. What is your voice in this?

'''Proposer''': {{User|Koopa con Carne}}<br>
'''Deadline''': March 3, 2021, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} per proposal.
#{{User|Ray Trace}} I'd repurpose any remaining information into Category:Humans but yeah I overall agree with the premise of this TPP.
#{{User|Keyblade Master}} Yeah the page seems to be a bit of a mess. <s>Hope you don't mind me correcting the deadline date too.</s>
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} With how short this page currently is, and how it's been under "construction" with little progress for 1.5 years, I think that just shows there's not really much, if anything, to say about humans that's unique to the Mario franchise.
#{{User|RHG1951}} Per proposal. Like what Ray Trace said, any valid information should be transferred elsewhere.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{user|Mario jc}} Per all.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Never realized how generic this article was until you laid forth your arguments. Per all.
#{{user|TheDarkStar}} - per all
#{{user|2257}} - per all
#{{User|Duckfan77}} Per all.
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Yes, destroy the humans.
#{{User|Doomhiker}} This page is pointless. There's no information exclusive to the human species that could only be put on this page beyond just listing any notable human characters, and that's the work for categories.
#{{User|1JUST1}} - Per all. This page is just saying that Metro Kingdom's inhabitants are humans, along with two or three other people, and that is basically it.

====Oppose====

====Comments====

== Why does this page now redirect to the Category:Humans?  ==

Why does this page now redirect to the Category:Humans? That's all I need to know. [[Special:Contributions/107.146.244.150|107.146.244.150]] 15:14, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
:See the proposal above. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 15:18, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

I have now. [[Special:Contributions/107.146.244.150|107.146.244.150]] 15:37, June 6, 2021 (EDT)