Editing Talk:Hotel Mario

== Poor voice acting and bizarre format? ==

Is that not an opinion? [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 16:29, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Critic opinion.{{User:SpikeKnifeNeedleSword/sig}} 16:35, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Well ,it is. But it's the general consencus.
[[User:Gofer|Gofer]]
:Not really. Why, then, is it used in Youtube Poop, then? [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 13:58, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure that's exactly why it's used in YouTube Poop.{{unsigned|Hammerthingys42}}

Regardless, critic opinions should be properly referenced with reference tags. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:24, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Ooh 4 fingers! {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}

==Wikipedia?==
This article looks exactly like the one on Wikipedia. [[Image:Luigidance.gif]][[User:Luigifan123|Luigifan123]][[Image:Luigi parade.png]]
:That's called a Wikidump. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:46, 25 February 2009 (EST)
Oh, thanks for telling me. [[Image:Luigidance.gif]][[User:Luigifan123|Luigifan123]][[Image:Luigi parade.png]]

==Credits==
Are the credits really necessary?

{{User:Ralphfan/sig|Waste of space, in my opinion.}}

==Sorry to bring up this tired debate but...==

[http://cdii.blogspot.com/2008/07/marc-graue-voice-over-of-mario-in-hotel.html Mark Graue acknowledge the existence of Youtube Poops, albeit indirectly:]

"''I think it’s very cool ( and flattering ) that something that was recorded in 1993 has found new life on [YouTube videos that are using Mario & Luigi’s voice for their comedic video collages].''"

So yeah, thoughts?--[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 18:07, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

:This is very interesting. Not only should Marc have his own aticle me thinks, but maybe a reference of Youtube Poops somewhere in the wiki would be nice. Anyone agree? http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
::I agree with Jorge. {{User:Master Lucario/sig}}
:::I agree as well. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 17:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

::::Yes, also i must agree {{user|Castle Toad}}

==[[SMB2]] reference==
On the cover, does mario appear as he does in SMB2 on the cover? Should someone add that as a refenece?(Position) ~Goombob [[File:NewMicroGoomba.png]] 10:31, 12 July 2013 (EDT)

==YouTube?==
Should we add that this game is popular on YouTube and as Internet Memes? [[User:YouDontKnowSponge|YouDontKnowSponge]] ([[User talk:YouDontKnowSponge|talk]]) 15:28, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
:The tag in the trivia section '''explicitly''' states that we don't allow this ''stuff''. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 15:43, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
::Sorry to burst your bubble but we do not cover it's extensive popularity over the internet. Per Baby Luigi. {{User|Pwwnd123}}

== So... ==

I have a few concerns over our coverage of this game, namely images, names, and gameplay details. I found that most of our info seems to come from [http://web.archive.org/web/20100805234943/http://www.goodtimeretrocafe.com/cdi/hmario.html this], a humor site, which may have exaggerated or made things up for comedic effect. Some examples of things I've noticed:

* ''All'' of the enemy sprites are '''directly taken from this site (complete with colorful borders)''', which I'm pretty sure is plagiarism, and the images are poor quality anyway, and should probably be replaced for that alone.
* Some of the names seem a bit suspicious, and while it's likely someone here has the game and went over the manual, based on our other info being taken from this page (including the past assumption of [[Pat the Bat|Pats]] being [[Swooper]]s, and the (apparently conjectural) name [[Evil Coin]]), I'd say we should back up the names with a citation at least.
* Some of the gameplay info sounds dubious as well, such as this quote from the [[Mechakoopa]] article:
::When roughly 3/4 of the stage's [[Time Limit|time]] runs out, they simultaneously break down and become immobile piles of junk. This can be an obstacle if one is in front of a door, requiring at least six jumps to be pushed aside. They can be defeated with a [[fireball]].
:Which is essentially a rewording of this line from the article I linked:
::Then a strange thing happens: after about 3/4 of the clock runs out, every Mechakoopa in the stage will break down into junk. This is all well and good until you find a junkpile right in front of the last door you need to shut, and have to hop on it 6 times to get it to move slightly right before the last 10 seconds run out. Better again to just waste them for good with a fireball.
:While the "six jumps" thing ''could'' be true, based on the general tone of the page, it seems a lot like hyberbole or exaggeration (similar to saying "You did that like 15 times already").

tl;dr, it seems our only source for ''Hotel Mario'' info is a now-dead review site, we should probably fix that. [[User:Binarystep|Binarystep]] ([[User talk:Binarystep|talk]]) 02:54, 25 March 2015 (EDT)
:Fair points all around..
:1) From a while back, I noticed some screenshots were already obviously taken from this very review, so I went ahead and uploaded the rest to help ensure all the game's enemies got decent coverage here. I wouldn't really call it plagiarism since I made sure all those images are credited to the original site. It's true that the quality isn't the best, so of course anyone's free to re-upload them with higher quality shots or sprites.
:2) I can vouch that the rest of the names on the wiki page are indeed accurate - you can read a (slightly imperfect) transcription [http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/manuals/hm.txt here]. Oddly enough, my copy of the manual doesn't have an entry for Monty Mole in English, but it has it listed in the other languages.
:3) I think I added that around the time I uploaded the other screenshots since I was mildly digging for additional obscure gameplay details. I'm certain I remember cross-referencing with a video source to make sure it was correct, but I don't 100% recall if the numbers are exact. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 03:56, 25 March 2015 (EDT)

== European Release ==

This game was also released in Europe at 1994.But the Article doesn't mention the European Release
{{unsigned|ブリシツ}}
:Can you add it? {{User:Roy Koopa/sig}} 20:09, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

== Licensing ==

So, is Hotel Mario actually licensed by Nintendo? {{User|DeriLoko2}}
:Yes. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:26, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

== About The whole "lotsa spaghetti" thing... ==

I don't think that should be in the article. I mean, isn't it a minor detail? [[User:Thefamman|Thefamman]] ([[User talk:Thefamman|talk]]) 08:36, 1 September 2017 (EDT)

There is the meme factor here. [[User:ThePRoGaMErGD|ThePRoGaMErGD]] ([[User talk:ThePRoGaMErGD|talk]]) 13:14, October 13, 2019 (EDT)

== Just for reference... ==

After some research, I learnt a bit more about the backgrounds of Hotel Mario.

One story said that Nintendo gave Philips rights to make 1 Mario game and 3 Zelda games for the CD-i. However, due to the failure of the CD-i, Nintendo left the project, but forgot to remove their rights. Hotel Mario and the 3 Zelda games were eventually released, since Philips still had the rights to make said games.

Another story said that Philips and Nintendo continued working together, and med the games. Nintendo kept protecting the games, since they initially sold well.

I don't know if either of these stories are true, but it's nice to know.
{{unsigned|TanooKid12}}

== every toaster, toasts toast ==

can we make a page on bowsers sourpus bread
:Such a page [[Bowser's Sourpuss Bread|already exists]]. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 13:24, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
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 == Poor voice acting and bizarre format? ==
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 So yeah, thoughts?--[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 18:07, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
-:This is very interesting. Not only should Marc have his own aticle me thinks, but maybe a reference of Youtube Poops somewhere in the wiki would be nice. Anyone agree? <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
+:This is very interesting. Not only should Marc have his own aticle me thinks, but maybe a reference of Youtube Poops somewhere in the wiki would be nice. Anyone agree? http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
 ::I agree with Jorge. {{User:Master Lucario/sig}}
 :::I agree as well. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 17:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
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 * ''All'' of the enemy sprites are '''directly taken from this site (complete with colorful borders)''', which I'm pretty sure is plagiarism, and the images are poor quality anyway, and should probably be replaced for that alone.
-* Some of the names seem a bit suspicious, and while it's likely someone here has the game and went over the manual, based on our other info being taken from this page (including the past assumption of [[Pat the Bat|Pats]] being [[Swooper]]s, and the (apparently conjectural) name [[Penny (enemy)|Evil Coin]]), I'd say we should back up the names with a citation at least.
+* Some of the names seem a bit suspicious, and while it's likely someone here has the game and went over the manual, based on our other info being taken from this page (including the past assumption of [[Pat the Bat|Pats]] being [[Swooper]]s, and the (apparently conjectural) name [[Evil Coin]]), I'd say we should back up the names with a citation at least.
 * Some of the gameplay info sounds dubious as well, such as this quote from the [[Mechakoopa]] article:
 ::When roughly 3/4 of the stage's [[Time Limit|time]] runs out, they simultaneously break down and become immobile piles of junk. This can be an obstacle if one is in front of a door, requiring at least six jumps to be pushed aside. They can be defeated with a [[fireball]].
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 == every toaster, toasts toast ==
-can we make a page on bowsers sourpus bread {{unsigned|Protoman64}}
+can we make a page on bowsers sourpus bread
 :Such a page [[Bowser's Sourpuss Bread|already exists]]. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 13:24, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
-==North American release date==
-The release date was changed from April to June due to the influence of a [https://tcrf.net/index.php?title=Hotel_Mario&curid=20871&diff=809092&oldid=806773 tcrf edit]. While I don't doubt the June release date for Europe which could be seen in this [https://archive.org/details/cdi-uk-06/page/n55/mode/2up British CDi magazine issue from June 1994], I think the North American release date needs to be re-investigated. The [https://archive.org/details/ElectronicEntertainment04Apr1994/page/n69/mode/2up April issue of Electronic Entertainment] and the [https://archive.org/details/Electronic-Games-1994-05/page/n69/mode/2up May issue of Electronic Games] may suggest the April 5 date could be correct. The first issue of the American version of CD-i magazine came out in September when the game had already been released. Can anyone find other sources so we can get a definitive date? Were there differences between the UK and US releases such as different holiday greetings?--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 14:05, February 16, 2021 (EST)
-== Shigeru Miyamoto hated the game? ==
-So... Did Shigeru Miyamoto hated the game or has no involvements with the game's development?--[[Special:Contributions/98.36.190.110|98.36.190.110]] 00:40, May 15, 2021 (EDT)
-:Aside from licensing, Nintendo had no hand in the game development. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 00:53, May 15, 2021 (EDT)