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==Queen Bee vs. Honey Queen== | ==Queen Bee vs. Honey Queen== | ||
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This wiki seems to be inconsistent on how we name Her Royal Highness. In most articles related Mario Kart 7, she's called Honey Queen, yet the name of the article itself is Queen Bee, along with Super Mario Galaxy-related stuff calling her that. We need to settle on something. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Magikrazy51}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Magikrazy51}}<br> | ||
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#{{User|MeritC}} You're forgetting that via another existing main proposal, I believe, we're supposed to use the '''first''' English name revealed for characters for the most part unless there's a valid reason. In this case, since the name "Queen Bee" was revealed first since ''Super Mario Galaxy'', I place in my vote that this article's name stays this way. Plus, the name "Honey Queen" is already used as a redirect to this article, anyway. | #{{User|MeritC}} You're forgetting that via another existing main proposal, I believe, we're supposed to use the '''first''' English name revealed for characters for the most part unless there's a valid reason. In this case, since the name "Queen Bee" was revealed first since ''Super Mario Galaxy'', I place in my vote that this article's name stays this way. Plus, the name "Honey Queen" is already used as a redirect to this article, anyway. | ||
#{{User|Pokémon Trainer Red}} Per MeritC | #{{User|Pokémon Trainer Red}} Per MeritC | ||
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per MeritC (the proposal in question can be found [[MarioWiki:Proposals/ | #{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per MeritC (the proposal in question can be found [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_7#Multiple_Canon_Names|here]]). | ||
#{{User|Bop1996}} This name is consistent with policy, the other isn't. | #{{User|Bop1996}} This name is consistent with policy, the other isn't. | ||
#{{User|Raven Effect}} Per Policy | #{{User|Raven Effect}} Per Policy | ||
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#{{User|Toad85}} Queen Bee is her original name, thus the article should be called "Queen Bee." It's not that hard. | #{{User|Toad85}} Queen Bee is her original name, thus the article should be called "Queen Bee." It's not that hard. | ||
#{{User|MarioComix}} Per MeritC, and as well, since Queen Bee is her more famous name, and also it's been used in more games thus far. | #{{User|MarioComix}} Per MeritC, and as well, since Queen Bee is her more famous name, and also it's been used in more games thus far. | ||
====Honey Queen==== | ====Honey Queen==== | ||
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#{{User|Arend}} See my reasons below. | #{{User|Arend}} See my reasons below. | ||
#{{User|DKPetey99}} A few characters go by aliases, so we should keep this. And if Nintendo stated her as Queen Bee '''and''' Honey Queen, but Honey Queen recently, that's her name. | #{{User|DKPetey99}} A few characters go by aliases, so we should keep this. And if Nintendo stated her as Queen Bee '''and''' Honey Queen, but Honey Queen recently, that's her name. | ||
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:::I believe one of the bees says something like "All new bees are required to visit the Queen Bee" or something like that. {{User:Bop1996/sig}} | :::I believe one of the bees says something like "All new bees are required to visit the Queen Bee" or something like that. {{User:Bop1996/sig}} | ||
::::The exact quote is, "New Bees must greet Her Highness, Queen Bee!" with Queen Bee in red text. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] 21:13, 5 December 2011 (EST) | ::::The exact quote is, "New Bees must greet Her Highness, Queen Bee!" with Queen Bee in red text. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] 21:13, 5 December 2011 (EST) | ||
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@MeritC Is Princess Peach called Princess Toadstool and is Bowser called King Koopa. I would say Queen Bee because Honey Queen was only a Spin-Off name. If she appears in another Mainstream game of appears in more Spin-offs under that name, it should be changed. {{User|New Super Yoshi}} | @MeritC Is Princess Peach called Princess Toadstool and is Bowser called King Koopa. I would say Queen Bee because Honey Queen was only a Spin-Off name. If she appears in another Mainstream game of appears in more Spin-offs under that name, it should be changed. {{User|New Super Yoshi}} | ||
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In my opinion, the Mario Kart is not just a spin-off series. Well... Maybe it is just a spin-off, but there is something different about Mario Kart. Mario Kart is the most influential spin-off of them all. Characters or locations that (first) appeared in Mario Kart seem to return in other Mario games (and also in the main series. A few examples: Toadette made a cameo appearance in Super Mario Galaxy and the look of King Boo introduced in Mario Kart: Double Dash!! is used in all games ever since, including Super Mario 64 DS). Other spin-off games rarely are a big influence on the Mario series. Characters or locations who first appeared those spin-off games mostly do not appear out of they're series. Those spin-off feel separate from the Mario main series, while Mario Kart builds bridges with the main series. Items, locations (or location design) and characters that appear in the main games also appear in Mario Kart. What the Main Series builds is never broken down in Mario Kart, unlike other spin-offs. But your right the babies and Dry Bowser (and Metal Mario). Even in Mario Kart things are possible that aren't in the Main Games. But to sum it all up, what I mean to say is, just because it's Mario Kart doesn't mean it's invalid information. Mario Kart is one of the most reliable Mario series, because unlike most spin-offs, it plays in the same universe as the main series. This doesn't mean that I think the other spin-offs are less important, but I do notice that the Mario Kart series has way more influence on the other Mario games than any other spin-off. | In my opinion, the Mario Kart is not just a spin-off series. Well... Maybe it is just a spin-off, but there is something different about Mario Kart. Mario Kart is the most influential spin-off of them all. Characters or locations that (first) appeared in Mario Kart seem to return in other Mario games (and also in the main series. A few examples: Toadette made a cameo appearance in Super Mario Galaxy and the look of King Boo introduced in Mario Kart: Double Dash!! is used in all games ever since, including Super Mario 64 DS). Other spin-off games rarely are a big influence on the Mario series. Characters or locations who first appeared those spin-off games mostly do not appear out of they're series. Those spin-off feel separate from the Mario main series, while Mario Kart builds bridges with the main series. Items, locations (or location design) and characters that appear in the main games also appear in Mario Kart. What the Main Series builds is never broken down in Mario Kart, unlike other spin-offs. But your right the babies and Dry Bowser (and Metal Mario). Even in Mario Kart things are possible that aren't in the Main Games. But to sum it all up, what I mean to say is, just because it's Mario Kart doesn't mean it's invalid information. Mario Kart is one of the most reliable Mario series, because unlike most spin-offs, it plays in the same universe as the main series. This doesn't mean that I think the other spin-offs are less important, but I do notice that the Mario Kart series has way more influence on the other Mario games than any other spin-off. | ||
Let's move back to the main subject, the name of the article. I still think we should move the article to Honey Queen. I just don't see any reason why we should not. There are no rules that prevent the article from moving. Honey Queen is the most recent name, and Honey Queen made her first non-minor appearance with this name. That's why we should move. {{User|Arend}} | Let's move back to the main subject, the name of the article. I still think we should move the article to Honey Queen. I just don't see any reason why we should not. There are no rules that prevent the article from moving. Honey Queen is the most recent name, and Honey Queen made her first non-minor appearance with this name. That's why we should move. {{User|Arend}} | ||