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| ==Re-merge?== | | ==Re-merge?== |
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| So while this is pretty clearly a separate ''individual'' from the purple Hisstocrat, the fact that the respective names in both English and Japanese identical, the fact that her introduction level is called "Hisstocrat's Return" (which itself reminds me of King Kaliente's Spicy Return), and the fact that the only real functional difference is a projectile (a difference that does ''not'' carry to their dual battle) makes it seem the game is rather adamant that these are the same ''subject''. In light of this, I feel perhaps we should merge this to Hisstocrat and write it as a family, ie "The '''Hisstocrats''' are a pair of giant regal snake bosses fought both individually and as a pair in ''[[Super Mario 3D World]]''." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:03, May 17, 2021 (EDT) | | So while this is pretty clearly a separate ''individual'' from the purple Hisstocrat, the fact that the respective names in both English and Japanese identical, the fact that her introduction level is called "Hisstocrat's Return" (which itself reminds me of King Kaliente's Spicy Return), and the fact that the only real functional difference is a projectile (a difference that does ''not'' carry to their dual battle) makes it seem the game is rather adamant that these are the same ''subject''. In light of this, I feel perhaps we should merge this to Hisstocrat and write it as a family, ie "The '''Hisstocrats''' are a pair of giant regal snake bosses fought both individually and as a pair in ''[[Super Mario 3D World]]''." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:03, May 17, 2021 (EDT) |
| :You mean the "blue" one, by purple? Maybe i can see a merge happening, but it can work either way. But, considering the orange/blue, and black/red King Kaliente thing, i think the gender, and different clothing, it seems to be an aesthetic change, and doesn't affect gameplay in any way. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:44, October 19, 2021 (EDT) | | :You mean the "blue" one, by purple? Maybe i can see a merge happening, but it can work either way. But, considering the orange/blue, and black/red King Kaliente thing, i think the gender, and different clothing, it seems to be an aesthetic change, and doesn't affect gameplay in any way. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:44, October 19, 2021 (EDT) |
| ::I'd be fully in support of a merge. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:23, October 28, 2021 (EDT) | | ::I'd be fully in support of a merge. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:23, October 28, 2021 (EDT) |
| :::I agree with Doc -- this can be merged. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 14:44, October 28, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::I agree with everything said here. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 14:48, October 28, 2021 (EDT)
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| :::::I wouldn't mind merging these either. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 15:00, October 28, 2021 (EDT)
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| == Merge with [[Hisstocrat]] ==
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| {{Settled TPP}}
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|6-0|Merge}}
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| Following the discussion above, I thought I would propose this. As said already, these may be seperate individuals in Boss Blitz but the game still treats it as the same subject, particularly with the level containing the solo pink Hisstocrat battle "Hisstocrat returns". The change of projectiles should also be considered where the blue Hisstocrat shoots rocks, pink shoots fireballs, and both shoot fireballs in Boss Blitz (the change in projectiles may have been to heat up the difficulty for the later battles).
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Swallow}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': November 15, 2021, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Merge===
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| #{{User|Swallow}} Per proposal
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| # {{User|Somethingone}} Proposal per.
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| #{{User|WildWario}} Per all.
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| #{{User|OhoJeeOnFire}} They should be merged. There is not enough difference between them that shows they should be split. Per proposal.
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| #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all, and my opinions above. Just because it's visually a female, doesn't make it any different from the male blue one.
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| #{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Yeah, there's pretty much only the gender differences between the two.
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| ===Leave seperate===
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| Since there was a lot of support and wasn't any opposition, it doesn't really ''need'' a proposal, to be honest. If my efforts weren't currently focused elsewhere I'd have probably merged a few days ago myself. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:53, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
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| :I guess so. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:22, November 1, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::I still thought this would help ensure the merge would happen. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:33, November 1, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Personally, I think the pink Hisstocrat should have the same treatment as Fiery Dino Piranha, black King Kaliente, and Gobblegut "(fiery)". Actually has somewhat more of a reason to be separate than those since both types of Hisstocrat appear together. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:30, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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| ::I don't think the black King Kaliente has been split, and I'm not sure if we should. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 16:33, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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| :::I actually made [[MarioWIki:Proposals/Archive/53#Super Mario Galaxy / Super Mario Galaxy 2 fiery counterparts|a proposal on the matter]] just over two-and-a-half years ago, but a majority of users back then agreed that the black-colored King Kaliente didn't have enough differences from the tan-colored one to justify a split. Not that I'd ever revisit the matter again without good cause. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 16:44, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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| ::::Y'all acting like my plan from the start ''wasn't'' to use this as a springboard to try merging the Dino Piranhas and Gobbleguts (the former of which has [https://noclip.website/#smg/HellProminenceGalaxy;ShareData=AM!QWUBxN{UA,2CUWdTp=)4!IRFktjUdwd{9HaeoWDfB,9k^j=T?HRfUIa;x=2e the same model in the data] as the base type, a quirk shared with the Kalientes, and of which the normal color has fire breath in M&S). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:35, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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