Editing Talk:Hisstocrat

==(First topic)==
How is his german name?
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:Only people that play the German version know. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 17:49, 24 November 2013 (EST)
::''Von Zischel'' is his name. [[User:MeincraftManu|MeincraftManu]] ([[User talk:MeincraftManu|talk]]) 17:33, 30 November 2013 (EST)

I think his minions are part of the [[Cobrat]] enemy family. they could be the the new cobrat enemy and then again. i could be wrong.
== A Banquet with Hisstocrat ==

Should we have information of the level "A Banquet with Hisstocrat" here, like bosses from ''[[Donkey Kong (series)|Donkey Kong Country series]]'' have their levels merged with their articles? [[File:SPM KoopaTroopa.png|35px]] [[User:MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:18px; color:#302b7a;">MegaKoopa</span>]] [[User talk: MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:10px; color:#496dd1;">Talk</span>]] 09:46, 13 December 2013 (EST)
:Actually, the boss levels should be split from the bosses themselves. Levels =/= bosses. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:47, 13 December 2013 (EST)


== The Snake Minions ==

I think his minions are part of the [[Cobrat]] enemy family. they could be the the new cobrat enemy and then again. i could be wrong. - King Bowser Koopa
:There's no official source for these though; this relies on speculation and we don't support speculation at the wiki {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:09, 24 December 2013 (EST)

== Make a Hisstocrat's Minions article ==

{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|red|do not make hisstocrat's minions article 1-4}}
I feel that Hisstocrat's minions should have an article for themselves. They themselves are actually the main enemy in the fight, and are actually the key to defeating their king. I doubt that the names will be given in future Nintendo Directs, and I bought every single legitimate-looking Super Mario 3D World guide I could find. None of them had the names for these snakes, and even the official Prima Guide came to nothing more specific. I say that we make this article and put it under the conjecture template until we find the real names of these snakes. I am sure that Nintendo won't be giving us the names of these snakes for at least three or four years.

So, what do you think? Create the article or wait it out?

'''Proposer''': {{User|KP}}<br />
'''Deadline''': January 13, 2014, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|KP}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===
#{{User|DonnyKD}} They do not do enough or are seen enough outside the Hisstocrat bosses to be worth giving an entire article to.
#{{User|Zero777}} Policy states that we should avoid as many conjectural articles as possible.
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} I think it should go in the Hisstocrat page because his minions have no offical name.

===Comments===
@DonnyKD- I see your point, but then [[Lava Bud]] and [[Petit Piranha]] articles would not exist at all, to name a few, by your logic. --[[User:KP|KP]] ([[User talk:KP|talk]]) 14:40, 30 December 2013 (EST)
:But those enemies actually have differing stats. These are just small enemies that appear mainly as platforms to hit the boss. But then again, we have an article on those ---ing [[Moving Tree|trees in a race track that do even less than these enemies]]. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:51, 30 December 2013 (EST)
::See? I'm doing this for consistency in order to avoid a blue link for the Moving Tree page and no link for these guys who serve much more in the game. If this article can't be created, we should delete the Moving Tree article and much more of them too. --[[User:KP|KP]] ([[User talk:KP|talk]]) 14:59, 30 December 2013 (EST)
:::Seeing as there is also a Queen Histrocrat what about a Hisstocrat species page. {{User|Yoshi876}}
::::I'm thinking that would also be reasonable, since there's the queen, the king, and the minion. --[[User:KP|KP]] ([[User talk:KP|talk]]) 15:04, 30 December 2013 (EST)
::::Hisstocrats' species is most likely just snake. I don't believe "Hisstocrat" could be a species.[[File:SPM KoopaTroopa.png|35px]] [[User:MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:18px; color:#302b7a;">MegaKoopa</span>]] [[User talk: MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:10px; color:#496dd1;">Talk</span>]] 20:42, 31 December 2013 (EST)

==Species (continuation of above discussion)==
"Hisstocrat" is a combination of "Hiss" and "aristocrat", so it can only refer to the king and queen, anyway. Thus far, they're unidentified snakes. [[User:8BrickMario]]

==Queen Hisstocrat==
Shouldn't Queen Hisstocrat be moved to her own article? I mean we got Gobbleguts and Fire Gobbleguts in separate articles despite them being the same guy but with a fiery power up, so shouldn't she have her own article since she's clearly a separate character? -[[User:The Forgotten Beast|The Forgotten Beast]] ([[User talk:The Forgotten Beast|talk]]) 13:34, 27 March 2014 (EDT)

==Split {{fake link|Queen Hisstocrat}} from [[Hisstocrat]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|cancelled}}
Yes I know Walkazo said [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=29237.msg1783270#msg1783270 yes to my suggestion] but I'm making this a talk page proposal incase there's any reasonable opposition to this, and I know that several points can be made against this split, but I'll explain to people who aren't familiar with the game.

Queen Hisstocrat is simply a recolored "girl" version of [[Hisstocrat]], true, but her boss fight involves fire rather than rock, something already more distinguishable from [[Behemoth]] and [[Behemoth King]], both split articles where the stronger version is also a recolored variant (in this case, Behemoth King, simply just a red Behemoth). A good example for the split would be [[Gobblegut]] and [[Fiery Gobblegut]] or [[Dino Piranha]] and [[Fiery Dino Piranha]], both redder and more fiery versions of their original counterpart, but get their own articles. She also gets her own name, Queen Hisstocrat, which furthers the argument that she should be split. Finally, she actually appears alongside Hisstocrat in a later boss fight level, making these two clearly separate individuals who therefore need separate articles.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Baby Luigi}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' November 24, 2015, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Baby Luigi}}

===Oppose===

===Comments===
Given all those points, there ''can't'' be ''reasonable'' opposition: just split the page. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 14:48, 10 November 2015 (EST)
:Okay then, just cancel the proposal and I will split the page. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:49, 10 November 2015 (EST)
::You can cancel the proposal yourself. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:::Fine. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 15:47, 10 November 2015 (EST)

== Minions ==
Do his and Queen Hisstocrat's minions have a separate object from them? The encyclopedia does not separate them, and they seem to have a different model. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:18, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
:The blue one's minion is <tt>TentackTentacle</tt> and the pink one's minion is <tt>TentackTentacleLv2</tt> (additionally, the blue Hisstocrat is <tt>TentackHead</tt> and the pink one is <tt>TentackHeadLv2</tt>). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:56, July 6, 2019 (EDT)

== Create page for "Hisstocrat Minions" ==


Same case with motley Bossblob, although we don't have official names or even mentions, I think they do deserve their own page, they are sufficiently different and if Hisstocrat works as king of these, we should have its page.[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]])
:I would rather wee keep these subjects on one page. They are not highlighted in any official source - be it in Japanese or English - as a distinct subject, and they may be additional heads of Hisstocrat, based on the likely source of inspiration for the boss. Their identity as something separate from Hisstocrat is likely a misread, otherwise they would be highlighted in a licensed source. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 20:21, March 7, 2025 (EST)
::I think we should mention them on the page, or else a proposal for both Hisstocrat and Motley would be better[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]])
:::It seems to me that they already are discussed in the Hisstocrat article. They are simply called "snakes" in it. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 23:14, March 7, 2025 (EST)
::::I totally understand your point and the fact that we don't have official material that mentions them makes it more complicated, however there are pages that have been able to be created without official material such as [[Big Frame Boo]] so I still have my doubts, what do you think we could do to clear this up once and for all?--[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 11:51, March 8, 2025 (EST)
:i don't think this is a good idea. hisstocrat only appears in its battle and so do the snakes, it'd be needless splitting of information across two pages. {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 14:38, March 27, 2025 (EDT)

== A name for the Minions of Histocrat? ==
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I was looking at a Spanish version of the Mario encyclopedia and in the description of Histocrat they are called Small Histocrat but in Spanish, in Spanish Histocrat is called "Su Serpenteza" and the encyclopedia calls them "Pequeñas Serpentezas", would this information be useful?[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]])
:Seems like something you could add to NIOL. [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 10:21, March 17, 2025 (EDT)
::what is NIOL?[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 20:08, March 18, 2025 (EDT)
:::Names in other languages. By the way, the equivalent to the Spanish/Japanese in the English version of the Encyclopedia (which we're slowly unbanning) generically refers to them as "smaller snakes". As it turns out, this is also how the snakes are referred to in the Prima guide (pg.89: "''Eventually, smaller snakes will burst out from the ground near Hisstocrate''"…"''You can climb up the sides of these smaller snakes with the Cat Power-Up''"…"''A successful stomp causes all of the smaller snakes to retreat''"…; pg.197: "''Hisstocrat is also proactive about getting rid of the smaller snakes so you can’t set up a stomp.''") I guess we have a match? I prefer "helper snake" though; pg.197: "''In general, Hisstocrat and the helper snakes move much faster, meaning you’ve got less time to get into position to land a stomp.''" [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:18, March 27, 2025 (EDT)
::::I will relay what I shared on Discord. In my personal opinion, those "minions" are ontologically extensions of the Hisstocrat itself and do not benefit from having a page of their own. It's not highlighted in any official bestiaries, unlike [[Broode's Chain Chomp]] or similar subjects, and Hisstocrat in particular potentially takes design queues from {{wp|Yamata no Orochi}}, which is a multiheaded serpent, so the other snakes may even be additional heads on the Hisstocrat, rather than completely separate individuals. They mechanically exist only to support Hisstocrat and I think they are best covered on the same page. I hole similar views for [[Small Fry Guy]]s, which I think should be lumped with [[Fryguy]] on similar grounds. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 16:20, March 27, 2025 (EDT)
:::::Oh, no, I don't want to split this, either. I thought this was just looking for a better word to use for the minions. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:27, March 27, 2025 (EDT)