Editing Talk:Grand Goomba

Wait a second, on the [[Mega Goomba]] article, it also says there's a Mega Goomba as a boss in Galaxy... {{User:Mr. Guy/sig}}

Mega Goomba is a boss, so it can't be in Galaxy as a species.{{User:Knife/sig}} 13:12, 12 January 2008 (EST)

==Split Grand Goomba to Grand Goomba and Giant Goomba==
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<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">Keep it Merged 2-9</span>

Okay, I bet there will be lots of opposes, but I don't care; I think ''Giant Goomba'' information should be split from this article. I started to think about it when I read the first appearance of Giant Goombas in SSBB's trophy description, which contains ''Super Mario 64'' (And YES, I am aware that SSBB trophy descriptions contain errors, like Baby Mario's doesn't have overalls. This changed in Europe to a 'stache, but that Giant Goomba's first appearance is still the same). Grand Goombas first appeared in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', so it sounded kinda fishy.

I've done some more research, and I think it really should be split after that. Grand Goombas are twice as large as normal Goombas, thus as tall as Super Mario and twice as large as Small Mario. In ''Super Mario 64'', Mario can be assumed to be Super Mario. He's as tall as his grown form, and Goombas are twice as short. But those Giant Goombas are twice as tall as Super Mario, meaning that they might not be the same as Grand Goombas.

This also means the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' appearances of Grand Goombas are actually from Giant Goombas, since they appear to be much larger than Goombas itself. This does mean as well that [[Grand Paragoomba]] need to split from just-mentioned article and ''Giant Paragoomba'', as that appears in SMG2, where Giant Goombas are also much larger than Goombas.

Additional info from [[Mega Goomba]] (specifically, the ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' info, not the DS) can be merged into Giant Goomba. Mega Goomba is supposed to be a a boss who appeared as a regular small foe, but has grown itself to a very huge size, in similar concepts as Mega Mario. The article states they are a species that also appeared in the Wii sequel. However, how ''can'' they be the same (species) if they have different sizes? Was it stated anywhere those large Goombas in NSMBW are Mega Goombas? I think they're Giant Goombas, as I researched Giant Goombas are bigger than Grand Goombas. And since Grand Goombas also appeared in NSMBW, this might lead to this split. It generally fits well.

This is why I want to split Grand Goomba and Giant Goomba. As I said before, this proposal is probably going to fail, but I've at least facts to prove they're not the same. Any (other) thoughts?

'''Proposer''': {{User|Arend}}<br>
'''Voting start''': 17 December, 2010, 18:25 GMT<br>
'''Deadline''': 31 December, 2010 23:59 GMT

===Support ([[Banana]]) Split===
#{{User|Arend}} - Per me.
#{{User|Mikiuz}} - In Italy Grand Goombas are called Gran Goomba, the Mega Goomba of NSMB it's named Mega Goomba and that giant Goombas of NSMBWii are called Goomba Giganti (Giant Goombas)

===Oppose, Keep it Merged===
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Characters sizes change overtime, so your proposal is saying that we should split some information of Petey Piranha's and Bowser's article because their size changed in some games, plus they both serve the same function, acting like a goomba but at the same time being big. Zero signing out.
#{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} Per Zero777.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Per all.
#{{User|WigglerWhoopin'Warrior135}} Per all.
#{{User|Mario&Kirby180}} Per all
#{{User|Laikue}} Per Zero777
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Ahh, the fart noise. Keep it merged wins.
#{{User|1337star}} Per all.
#{{User|Ultramariologan}} Per all.

===Discussion & Comments===
@Zero777: So you want Grand Goomba ''and'' Mega Goomba (the species) be merged to Goomba, as they're actually bigger Goombas without any special ability? Also, character sizes usually ''never'' change in 2D games. Grand Goombas stay twice as big as a normal Goomba, and Koopas are still 1,5 times as tall as Goombas. {{User|Arend}}
:I agree with Arend, not on the proposal, I'm undecided about that, but Zero, your logic is incorrect. Different sizes of things could mean different species. {{User|Marioguy1}}
::I am Zero! Correction, different sub-species (varies). Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}

== SMG ==

Don't the Grand Goombas in SMG seem a little to big to be "Grand"? They seem more like Mega Goombas to me.
{{unsigned|IGGY7735}}

But they seem to be called Grand Goombas in that game.--{{User|Knife}} 17:14, 11 February 2011 (EST)

==Split [[Grand Tail Goomba]] from [[Grand Goomba]]==
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<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">SPLIT 9-0</span>

I don't understand why we have these two merged I mean all the other enemies with tails have seperate articles [[Tail Goomba]], [[Tail Boo]], [[Tail Bob-omb]], and [[Tail Bullet Bill]]. But Grand Tail Goomba's are merged with Grand Goomba despite the fact that Grand Goomba's aren't even in ''[[Super Mario 3D Land]].'' 

'''Proposer''': {{User|Raven Effect}}<br>
'''Deadline''': March 22nd, 2012, 23:59 GMT

===Split===
#{{User|Raven Effect}} Per my proposal
#{{User|Tails777}} Per Raven Effect and LeftyGreenMario's comment.
#{{User|Commander Code-8}} Definitely needs to be merged like any other subspecies, sub-subspecies are still included.
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} As long as we retain some information in this article, a split is what we need.
#{{User|Lakituthequick}} Per all.
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per all.
#{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} Per all.
#{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} per all
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} &ndash; Per all.

===Keep Merged===

===Comments===
I think we should retain the information, though, technically, they are Grand Goombas. I mean, we should create a new article on the Grand Tail Goomba, but keep the information in this article. Then, we can say in this article, "''However, only this variation of the Grand Goomba appears.''" {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:46, 7 March 2012 (EST)
:It should be mentioned that while Grand Goombas don't appear in SM3DL a sub-species called Grand Tail Goombas does (are something like that) {{User|Raven Effect}}
::Yeah, that's what I want. I'm afraid that the split would remove all information on this appearance of the Grand Goomba. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:57, 7 March 2012 (EST)

== Mario Kart 7 ==

Are these Goombas in Mushroom Gorge and Piranha Plant Slide from Mario Kart 7 actually Grand Goombas or are they improperly proportioned Goombas? Mario Kart does have this knack for creating obstacles with ridiculous proportions (the goats in Daisy Hills, the cars in Toad's Turnpike, the cows in Moo Moo Meadows, etc.) so I'm not clear on this. Is it confirmed anywhere that these Goombas are Grand Goombas? {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:55, 7 March 2012 (EST)
:Well they are much larger than the average Goomba (even by Mario Kart standards) but I don't know if it's official (nor do I know if they are called Goombas) {{User|Raven Effect}}
::In Mario Kart Wii, they are much smaller. Again, it could be just a  size inconsistency. I think we should assume that these are regular Goomba unless otherwise stated. That means, they're not Grand Goombas unless Nintendo says so. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:00, 7 March 2012 (EST)
:::I think based on there size it's more reasonable to assume they are Grand Goombas not regular Goomba's who have always been much smaller in Mario Kart Games {{User|Raven Effect}}
::::I still don't know. The course itself tends to be much larger when it is remade in a more recent Mario Kart game. This is very unclear to me whether those Goombas are Grand Goombas or not due to the shrinking racer/expanding course trend in remade courses. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:07, 7 March 2012 (EST)
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 Okay, I bet there will be lots of opposes, but I don't care; I think ''Giant Goomba'' information should be split from this article. I started to think about it when I read the first appearance of Giant Goombas in SSBB's trophy description, which contains ''Super Mario 64'' (And YES, I am aware that SSBB trophy descriptions contain errors, like Baby Mario's doesn't have overalls. This changed in Europe to a 'stache, but that Giant Goomba's first appearance is still the same). Grand Goombas first appeared in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', so it sounded kinda fishy.
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 I don't understand why we have these two merged I mean all the other enemies with tails have seperate articles [[Tail Goomba]], [[Tail Boo]], [[Tail Bob-omb]], and [[Tail Bullet Bill]]. But Grand Tail Goomba's are merged with Grand Goomba despite the fact that Grand Goomba's aren't even in ''[[Super Mario 3D Land]].''
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 :::I think based on there size it's more reasonable to assume they are Grand Goombas not regular Goomba's who have always been much smaller in Mario Kart Games {{User|Raven Effect}}
 ::::I still don't know. The course itself tends to be much larger when it is remade in a more recent Mario Kart game. This is very unclear to me whether those Goombas are Grand Goombas or not due to the shrinking racer/expanding course trend in remade courses. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:07, 7 March 2012 (EST)
-== Hefty Goomba ==
-Are we sure that the Prima guide is wrong, Nintendo could have renamed it, I mean after all Blooper used to Bloober {{User|Yoshi876}}
-:I don't quite understand your point here. Besides, the Prima Guide isn't the best source for an enemy's name. [[Special:Contributions/173.55.155.46|173.55.155.46]] 14:51, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
-:The Prima guide said it was called a 'Hefty Goomba' it could be, and probably is, wrong, but I'm saying that it is possible that Nintendo have renamed it {{User|Yoshi876}}
-::If there is no official source other than the Prima guide, we rename the article to what the Prima guide says. Otherwise, we don't use the Prima guide due to it being quite unreliable at times. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
-== Move to "Big Goomba" ==
-Shouldn't we move this to Big Goomba? In SSB4, the trophy calls it that, and the MarioWiki goes by '''the most recent name.''' Also, of course, SSB4 was made by Nintendo.
--Super Elite Yoshi
-:Right, and the enemies we have listed as "Grand Tail Goombas" were referred to as Big Tail Goombas in-game back in ''Dream Team Bros.'' [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:40, 8 April 2015 (EDT)